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CanesAreAble

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I've been pleased with the offense, but there's plenty of room for improvement.

Last year with Cam Ward was special, so I don't expect us to approach that, but there's meat on the bone.

2024

Total offense: 536.2 (1st)
Scoring offense: 42.9 ppg (1st)
3rd down conversion %: 55.41% (1st)
Yards/play: 7.4 (1st)
Yards/pass: 9.2 (6th)
Yards/rush: 5.6 (5th)


2025

Total offense: 395.5 ypg (54th)
Scoring offense: 32.5 ppg (36th)
3rd down conversion %: 45.45% (31st)
Yards/play: 5.7 (49th)
Yards/pass: 8.3 (33rd)
Yards/rush: 3.9 (80th)


I think our numbers will improve as we play softer defenses and other teams get into their conference schedules. When Beck has been asked to throw the ball, he's been very efficient for the most part. I'd like to see more passing to set up the run, which we did a lot last year. We don't play too many salty defenses down the stretch, and hopefully we won't have more rain games that mire down the passing game.

It will be interesting to see how teams attack us. Notre Dame and Florida mainly stayed in two-deep shells, and USF and Florida State keyed on the run more with a lot of single-high safety and aggressive quarters, respectively.

We've shown that we can handle both styles. I think the offense will continue to improve as time goes on. Let's not forget that Carson Beck really couldn't even throw until summer. Malachi Toney is still a true freshman. Trader and Lofton are just now getting fully healthy and reacclimated; they were dominant in the spring.

Imagine how the FSU game would've looked if Marion didn't move forward before the snap.

Still have some kinks to iron out, but I like where we are at this juncture of the season.
 
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Nobody is gonna want to touch this, Im not name brand so I dont want to get into it.. Probably better discussion on wez honestly..

I will say on manny pod they mentioned we struggled to run inside and was around 3 yard clip while outside more towards tackle was 5 yard clip @Lance Roffers mentioned it on pod also with @DMoney and pete..

Also that oline at fb who runs with eyes closed aint it either.. Will reserve until a couple acc games, but numbers down across the board was expected but need to be better, we still have talent to be top 15 offense. That should be goal.
 
CanesAreAble said:
I've been pleased with the offense, but there's plenty of room for improvement.

Last year with Cam Ward was special, so I don't expect us to approach that, but there's meat on the bone.

2024

Total offense: 536.2 (1st)
Scoring offense: 42.9 ppg (1st)
3rd down conversion %: 55.41% (1st)
Yards/play: 7.4 (1st)
Yards/pass: 9.2 (6th)
Yards/rush: 5.6 (5th)


2025

Total offense: 395.5 ypg (54th)
Scoring offense: 32.5 ppg (36th)
3rd down conversion %: 45.45% (31st)
Yards/play: 5.7 (49th)
Yards/pass: 8.3 (33rd)
Yards/rush: 3.9 (80th)


I think our numbers will improve as we play softer defenses and other teams get into their conference schedules. When Beck has been asked to throw the ball, he's been very efficient for the most part. I'd like to see more passing to set up the run, which we did a lot last year. We don't play too many salty defenses down the stretch, and hopefully we won't have more rain games that mire down the passing game.

It will be interesting to see how teams attack us. Notre Dame and Florida mainly stayed in two-deep shells, and USF and Florida State keyed on the run more with a lot of single-high safety and aggressive quarters, respectively.

We've shown that we can handle both styles. I think the offense will continue to improve as time goes on. Let's not forget that Carson Beck really couldn't even throw until summer. Malachi Toney is still a true freshman. Trader and Lofton are just now getting fully healthy and reacclimated; they were dominant in the spring.

Imagine how the FSU game would've looked if Marion didn't move forward before the snap.

Still have some kinks to iron out, but I like where we are at this juncture of the season.
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Don't forget the Brown TD they blew dead against UF.
 
skyman said:
Nobody is gonna want to touch this, Im not name brand so I dont want to get into it.. Probably better discussion on wez honestly..

I will say on manny pod they mentioned we struggled to run inside and was around 3 yard clip while outside more towards tackle was 5 yard clip @Lance Roffers mentioned it on pod also with @DMoney and pete..

Also that oline at fb who runs with eyes closed aint it either.. Will reserve until a couple acc games, but numbers down across the board was expected but need to be better, we still have talent to be top 15 offense. That should be goal.
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Yeah the DL at fullback seems to be more of a detriment than anything.
I’d rather have Schott back there.
 
Y’all know where I stand on this. Without a different approach that relies less on ‘grinding it out’ and ‘complementary football for our so far stout defense,’ we’re likely to end up in a scenario we’ve not yet shown we can dig ourselves out of…

…Beck is not (and will never provide the dynamic nature of) Cam Ward, but he’s a 4M dollar QB who’s the same age and experience as some current NFL QBs. Let him shoulder more of the overall load. If he breaks, then so be it. If he elevates, then he have a real shot at something many didn’t even think was possible for this program.

Using the ‘don’t want to do anything stupid’ errs on the wrong side for me. But, if that’s what they decide, I pray it magically defies probabilities.

We have the horses. Let them freely run and see what happens.
 
skyman said:
I will say on manny pod they mentioned we struggled to run inside and was around 3 yard clip while outside more towards tackle was 5 yard clip @Lance Roffers mentioned it on pod also with @DMoney and pete..
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FSU had the upper hand against our IOL. I dont think it was usually the case that they overwhelmed us with numbers in the box. #5 & 6 for them just won much more than they lost.

We aren't nearly as strong run blocking inside this year with McCoy/Samson, Brockermeyer, and Cooper as we were last year when we would move Rivers to LG with Carpenter at C and Cooper at RG.

TEs are still struggling to run block too. See Lofton on Lyle's first carry of the game. Bauman on Lyle's carry just before Toney had the TD called back, all he had to do was seal #5 (or 8 don't remember which one) for a split second and we were going places, since Cooper and CiCi were already to the second level.

Think Carson is missing some passing opportunities in the RPO game that Cam would have pulled from the RB and ripped the WR slant to. Could help the interior run game if he lets a few rip past the LBer's earhole.
 
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I’ve been watching old tape. Specifically when we “throttled down” on offense. I can tell you that so far, our off tackle power, especially out of 21, is by far our most dynamic running set. We will never quit duo though. Brockermeyer is not doing well enough 1v1 to depend on it long term. And honestly we get beat across our faces a lot. Drop of in TE blocking is apparent on wham, which we run like 50% of the time. We need to get to the edge more. We maul people when our OL is moving. I would die to see a true outside zone
 
flips said:
FSU had the upper hand against our IOL. I dont think it was usually the case that they overwhelmed us with numbers in the box. #5 & 6 for them just won much more than they lost.

We aren't nearly as strong run blocking inside this year with McCoy/Samson, Brockermeyer, and Cooper as we were last year when we would move Rivers to LG with Carpenter at C and Cooper at RG.

TEs are still struggling to run block too. See Lofton on Lyle's first carry of the game. Bauman on Lyle's carry just before Toney had the TD called back, all he had to do was seal #5 (or 8 don't remember which one) for a split second and we were going places, since Cooper and CiCi were already to the second level.

Think Carson is missing some passing opportunities in the RPO game that Cam would have pulled from the RB and ripped the WR slant to. Could help the interior run game if he lets a few rip past the LBer's earhole.
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Agree about RPOs.

I don't recall Beck pulling many outside of stuff to the flats.
 
TriStarCane said:
I’ve been watching old tape. Specifically when we “throttled down” on offense. I can tell you that so far, our off tackle power, especially out of 21, is by far our most dynamic running set. We will never quit duo though. Brockermeyer is not doing well enough 1v1 to depend on it long term. And honestly we get beat across our faces a lot. Drop of in TE blocking is apparent on wham, which we run like 50% of the time. We need to get to the edge more. We maul people when our OL is moving. I would die to see a true outside zone
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Yea when I watched tape, Brockermeyer was playing fullback half the time he got pushed back soo much but his matchup was tough (which it will be in playoff also) and TE blocking is not gonna be there this year.. We need to portal an actual talent
 
skyman said:
Im not sure if Beck is comfortable with RPOs, even think Dawson stated we dont call as much anymore.. He might not be comfortable with post reads, that stuff was second nature to Cam but he was in true air raid for 4 years.. MANY reps..
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There are a few RPO throws that he misses or throws inaccurately. He likes to flip the ball when he throws. I wonder if the RPO read messes with his timing and grip. The slant to CJ in FSU was RPO, but he was open by 7 yards with no inside help to fit it between
 
think part of the story with those numbers and this years rankings is we haven't played the 2-3 cupcake games everyone else has... we've had 1 to throw up big numbers... the other 4 teams have all been top 25 games.... I'd let the season play out more before comparing numbers...

ohhh and our stubborn call off the offensive dogs every big game so far......has played a role.
 
CanesAreAble said:
I've been pleased with the offense, but there's plenty of room for improvement.

Last year with Cam Ward was special, so I don't expect us to approach that, but there's meat on the bone.

2024

Total offense: 536.2 (1st)
Scoring offense: 42.9 ppg (1st)
3rd down conversion %: 55.41% (1st)
Yards/play: 7.4 (1st)
Yards/pass: 9.2 (6th)
Yards/rush: 5.6 (5th)


2025

Total offense: 395.5 ypg (54th)
Scoring offense: 32.5 ppg (36th)
3rd down conversion %: 45.45% (31st)
Yards/play: 5.7 (49th)
Yards/pass: 8.3 (33rd)
Yards/rush: 3.9 (80th)


I think our numbers will improve as we play softer defenses and other teams get into their conference schedules. When Beck has been asked to throw the ball, he's been very efficient for the most part. I'd like to see more passing to set up the run, which we did a lot last year. We don't play too many salty defenses down the stretch, and hopefully we won't have more rain games that mire down the passing game.

It will be interesting to see how teams attack us. Notre Dame and Florida mainly stayed in two-deep shells, and USF and Florida State keyed on the run more with a lot of single-high safety and aggressive quarters, respectively.

We've shown that we can handle both styles. I think the offense will continue to improve as time goes on. Let's not forget that Carson Beck really couldn't even throw until summer. Malachi Toney is still a true freshman. Trader and Lofton are just now getting fully healthy and reacclimated; they were dominant in the spring.

Imagine how the FSU game would've looked if Marion didn't move forward before the snap.

Still have some kinks to iron out, but I like where we are at this juncture of the season.
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Can we revisit this in say 6 weeks? You sort of alluded to it when you mentioned that our schedule gets soft as other teams' get uh..... more difficult. When you consider that 4/5 games thus far were against respected teams that are/were ranked, then juxtapose that against Ohio State who beat Texas (was thought to be good) and a bunch of JV high school teams; Oregon who needed OT to beat Penn State with the rest of their W's against steaming poo and so on; it's an unfair comparison.

Let me be crystal clear - yes, there's plenty more meat on the bone. Yes our run game could improve and the best way for that to happen is to pass the ball more when the box is loaded. Yes we could do better in many facets. However, let's slow down on the statiscal comparisons at this point, especially when the data is incomplete.
 
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skyman said:
Nobody is gonna want to touch this, Im not name brand so I dont want to get into it.. Probably better discussion on wez honestly..

I will say on manny pod they mentioned we struggled to run inside and was around 3 yard clip while outside more towards tackle was 5 yard clip @Lance Roffers mentioned it on pod also with @DMoney and pete..

Also that oline at fb who runs with eyes closed aint it either.. Will reserve until a couple acc games, but numbers down across the board was expected but need to be better, we still have talent to be top 15 offense. That should be goal.
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It’s not fair to sj to critique his fb play but yeah man he’s just back there for the sake of being back there at this point.
 
TriStarCane said:
I’ve been watching old tape. Specifically when we “throttled down” on offense. I can tell you that so far, our off tackle power, especially out of 21, is by far our most dynamic running set. We will never quit duo though. Brockermeyer is not doing well enough 1v1 to depend on it long term. And honestly we get beat across our faces a lot. Drop of in TE blocking is apparent on wham, which we run like 50% of the time. We need to get to the edge more. We maul people when our OL is moving. I would die to see a true outside zone
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We actually did run one that went for 25 yards against uf. I guess it’s possible we do it?
 
LuCane said:
Y’all know where I stand on this. Without a different approach that relies less on ‘grinding it out’ and ‘complementary football for our so far stout defense,’ we’re likely to end up in a scenario we’ve not yet shown we can dig ourselves out of…

…Beck is not (and will never provide the dynamic nature of) Cam Ward, but he’s a 4M dollar QB who’s the same age and experience as some current NFL QBs. Let him shoulder more of the overall load. If he breaks, then so be it. If he elevates, then he have a real shot at something many didn’t even think was possible for this program.

Using the ‘don’t want to do anything stupid’ errs on the wrong side for me. But, if that’s what they decide, I pray it magically defies probabilities.

We have the horses. Let them freely run and see what happens.
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He's not Ward, but he has a better deep ball and he's more willing to throw to his checkdown options.

Come On GIF by HBO Max
 
GirthQuake said:
It’s not fair to sj to critique his fb play but yeah man he’s just back there for the sake of being back there at this point.
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I think it was a nice idea, and I'm sure it works in practice - but the few games he's done it live haven't worked.

If they honestly review tape they won't run him out there again in that position.
 
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