His biggest mistake was hiring Black Santa at UNC. Really difficult to claim complete innocence at UNC with that move. I think UM was trying to convince themselves that all was ok but was waiting for another candidate to fall into their laps so they didn't have to justify it. Richt appeared, and they pounced on it.
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His biggest mistake was hiring Black Santa at UNC. Really difficult to claim complete innocence at UNC with that move. I think UM was trying to convince themselves that all was ok but was waiting for another candidate to fall into their laps so they didn't have to justify it. Richt appeared, and they pounced on it.
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drifters1234
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What are you referring to in terms Butch not running a "straight ship" when he was here. We were on debilitating sanctions - including widespread discussion of a potential death penalty. We had to be completely clean during his tenure.
I've never heard of recruiting violations during that timeframe. Very curious what you're referring to.
I don't think anyone hates Butch. I read many posters' negative comments in regards to butch as more of a response to the fans that are still obsessing over Butch. For months the board has literally been a place where all discussion evolves into a mindless yelling match ignited by the "BRING BACK BUTCH!" crowd. I would have loved to have brought Butch back, but that sh*t gets OBNOXIOUS.
Now, we have a great coach in place yet it somehow people are trying to turn the discussion towards Butch.
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Admittedly it is speculation. However, if you look at it he got a lot of guys in and kept them, where the last few staffs have lost those types of players. How? Lets be honest. How does someone go somewhere and all of a sudden top recruits are going there? Its not because your a great guy, there is more at play and we all know it. Or have you never seen the $EC term on here? Again, nothing I have a problem with but not exactly in line with NCAA policy.
I think he cleaned things up while here but he also took advantage of every single loophole possible to get players here. Baseball schollys, track schollys (moss), academic schollys(joaquin gonzalez i believe). Pretty sure the rule about scholarship usage came from the result of Butch wasn't it? Again not 100% but I thought that was how it went down.
Then there is the way he left. He likes to put it on the school, but I honestly think his main reason for feeling like he left something here is two fold. One he left an amazing team and a great situation to have a great track record. And two he knows in his heart he went for the money and it cost him a lot in the long run. He knows that had he stayed he would probably still be here and he would be a CFB HOF coach. Mostly my personal speculation, but I don't think its exactly far fetched either.
My initial reference was that I believe Shapiro actually started coming around BEFORE 2001. Which in a roundabout way implicates that Butch might have known who he was as he was trying to be a cling on then to the team while he was HC.
end of the day if butch never left in the first place, he wouldnt have to beg for the job back. Vilma said in his interview with miami herald they wanted a coach who didnt view players as stepping stones. publicly this kids might have been supporting butch but remember n the u part 2, they weren't happy he left the way he did. butch's problem seem to be a lack of trust.