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Only signed a 1 year deal with the Colts. If UM were smart they'd start talking with him about our opening next year soon...
 
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This would be a total flop of a hire. Nothing against Chud, he's obviously a very accomplished coach, and he holds a special esteem amongst Canes fans for his contributions to the team. But hiring Chud doesn't excite anyone except those of us who have been Canes fans for years and years and know the complete history of the program. He offers zero in the way of recruiting boost or presence in South Florida. Kids have no idea who this guy is.

To an extend, the same holds true for Butch. I'm not saying he doesn't have a successful formula, but the man is like 65 years old and has been out of the game for almost 5 years. We all romanticize bringing him back to replicate his past success, but the fact of the matter is times have changed, recruiting has changed - there is no bullet-proof guarantee that Butch can turn it around quickly, and he's an old man.

The guy is Mario Cristobal. You want to sit back and watch this thing takeoff, hire that guy and let him off the leash.
 
Butch was amazing while he was here but I fear everyone here is going thru that thing that happens when you go back to an old girlfriend...and we all know how that works out.

I mean...it's better than jerkin around with Golden...but we can do so much better.

I think the other concern is that we as a fanbase don't really have faith in our BOT and AD to be smart or ballsy enough to actually identify or land that "better than Butch" option. I know it's out there though. So then we end up falling back into the "safe" and "affordable" option of Butch Davis. I think ultimately this makes us look desperate and sad and really with no guarantee of his past success.

Like I said...I'll take it if it happens and be cool with it....but still......
 
MIATL said:
Consigliere said:
Gary Pinkel
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Hue Jackson

Dan Mullen

Justin Fuente
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The issue you run into with any of these names is that they would see Miami as a step to something else. The best programs have continuity with their coaches - they don't want to be anywhere else. They don't jump at the first offer in the pros, like Butch did. Nick Saban and Les Miles come to mind. You need someone that sees Miami as a destination job, not an interim step. Even Texas and Florida had trouble getting who they wanted, why would Miami be any different? Especially with our "budget constraints"

It is surely more interesting than Golden.
 
Rob Chudzinski has been vocal in the past about the fact he doesn't care for the recruiting process. He's better suited for the NFL, with that being the case.
 
MarcoD70 said:
Butch was amazing while he was here but I fear everyone here is going thru that thing that happens when you go back to an old girlfriend...and we all know how that works out.

I mean...it's better than jerkin around with Golden...but we can do so much better.

I think the other concern is that we as a fanbase don't really have faith in our BOT and AD to be smart or ballsy enough to actually identify or land that "better than Butch" option. I know it's out there though. So then we end up falling back into the "safe" and "affordable" option of Butch Davis. I think ultimately this makes us look desperate and sad and really with no guarantee of his past success.

Like I said...I'll take it if it happens and be cool with it....but still......
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We don't have faith that they will pick someone better than Butch, because we have a track record of three consecutive head coach failures.

Also, name the coaches that have proven they are better than Butch, and willing to come to UM. That's a short list, assuming it has anyone at all.
 
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TC7D said:

The issue you run into with any of these names is that they would see Miami as a step to something else. The best programs have continuity with their coaches - they don't want to be anywhere else. They don't jump at the first offer in the pros, like Butch did. Nick Saban and Les Miles come to mind. You need someone that sees Miami as a destination job, not an interim step. Even Texas and Florida had trouble getting who they wanted, why would Miami be any different? Especially with our "budget constraints"

It is surely more interesting than Golden.
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This is idiotic thinking and all bullchit.

1. Since Howard, which HC has Miami lost to another school? I'll wait.

2. You want your coaches to be wanted by other schools, why? Because programs (usually) have an interest in winning and success. If your coaches are wanted, it usually means they're doing well. It is Miami's job to retain a coach but before we retain a coach, we need to find a very good one.

3. Your concern is foolish, why? Because you're worried about retaining a coach instead of focusing on getting a good coach. You don't want a coach just because he wants to remain at Miami.

4. Our budget is bullchit. It is a self-imposed restriction. We choose to be cheap and we suffer the consequences. Golden, like Coker and Shannon, will receive a ton of money on the back-end (the buyout). Golden will end up making North of 3.5M per year when you factor in the buyout.

UM is cheap just because UM is cheap. It's not because we can't pay. Learn more at the thread below.

https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/82257-The-Money-Myth?highlight=money+myth

This doesn't mean we can pay the most, but we certainly cay pay more than 4M per season. It's whether we want to pay.

5. You don't know what any coach thinks till you talk to them and make an offer. Please stop pretending like you do. Stepping Stone, wow.
 
TC7D said:
MIATL said:
Consigliere said:
Gary Pinkel
Click to expand...

Hue Jackson

Dan Mullen

Justin Fuente
Click to expand...


The issue you run into with any of these names is that they would see Miami as a step to something else. The best programs have continuity with their coaches - they don't want to be anywhere else. They don't jump at the first offer in the pros, like Butch did. Nick Saban and Les Miles come to mind. You need someone that sees Miami as a destination job, not an interim step. Even Texas and Florida had trouble getting who they wanted, why would Miami be any different? Especially with our "budget constraints"

It is surely more interesting than Golden.
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We have done very well with "stepping stone" coaches. Howard, JJ, Dennis, Butch. Measure that against the "destination" lifers: Larry, Randy and Al. Would you really have wanted St Bobby for his 30 + years of ah suchs, dang that Miami, and a mere 2 NCs in 3 decades? Staying on top is very hard. Very few Bears out there. I want a coach who wants to go to the NFL. History shows that you win at Miami you can do that. We want coach who want to win and get gone. Recruiting continuity is much more important. If Dennis had left players like Howard, JJ and Butch did, we could have gotten another NC under Butch while he built the greatest ever.
 
Gatorhater said:
TC7D said:
MIATL said:
Consigliere said:
Gary Pinkel
Click to expand...

Hue Jackson

Dan Mullen

Justin Fuente
Click to expand...


The issue you run into with any of these names is that they would see Miami as a step to something else. The best programs have continuity with their coaches - they don't want to be anywhere else. They don't jump at the first offer in the pros, like Butch did. Nick Saban and Les Miles come to mind. You need someone that sees Miami as a destination job, not an interim step. Even Texas and Florida had trouble getting who they wanted, why would Miami be any different? Especially with our "budget constraints"

It is surely more interesting than Golden.
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We have done very well with "stepping stone" coaches. Howard, JJ, Dennis, Butch. Measure that against the "destination" lifers: Larry, Randy and Al. Would you really have wanted St Bobby for his 30 + years of ah suchs, dang that Miami, and a mere 2 NCs in 3 decades? Staying on top is very hard. Very few Bears out there. I want a coach who wants to go to the NFL. History shows that you win at Miami you can do that. We want coach who want to win and get gone. Recruiting continuity is much more important. If Dennis had left players like Howard, JJ and Butch did, we could have gotten another NC under Butch while he built the greatest ever.
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It's not really a stepping stone if they go to the Pros.

It is a stepping stone gig (IMO) if they go onto another program.

How can you be mad at a coach who wants to go to the pros?
 
Vegas99 said:
This would be a total flop of a hire. Nothing against Chud, he's obviously a very accomplished coach, and he holds a special esteem amongst Canes fans for his contributions to the team. But hiring Chud doesn't excite anyone except those of us who have been Canes fans for years and years and know the complete history of the program. He offers zero in the way of recruiting boost or presence in South Florida. Kids have no idea who this guy is.

To an extend, the same holds true for Butch. I'm not saying he doesn't have a successful formula, but the man is like 65 years old and has been out of the game for almost 5 years. We all romanticize bringing him back to replicate his past success, but the fact of the matter is times have changed, recruiting has changed - there is no bullet-proof guarantee that Butch can turn it around quickly, and he's an old man.

The guy is Mario Cristobal. You want to sit back and watch this thing takeoff, hire that guy and let him off the leash.
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Butch would have a significant (positive) impact on local recruiting.

HS players might not know of Butch outside of the U Part 2.

However, their HS coaches, summer football coaches and handlers should be very familiar with the track record that Butch has for developing and putting players in the league.

SoFL recruits are more easily influenced by their youth/HS coaches than other areas.

At the end of the day these coaches/handlers want to see their kids succeed (probably for different reasons) and make it to the league.

It will be hard to find another coach with a better record than Butch when it comes to putting kids in the league.
 
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