Richt's talent at UGA compared to Miami...

[daddacane]

2-3 years from now Richt will have a more talented Miami team than any UGA team he ever fielded

Just hope everyone will be patient...I believe your spot on with the 3 year process...

 

[motorcitycane]

Not to mention Richts UGA teams had the worst luck in regards to injuries I think a power 5 CFB team ever faced. Season after season they couldn't catch a break.

 

[90scane]

I hear a common misconception that Richt had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I trotted out a fact that Richt was 19-4 vs. ACC teams while at UGA, in which fans of ACC teams say well he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I also hear radio guys bring up the talent argument UGA vs. Miami also.

Facts from 2006-2015 NFL draft spanned 10 years.

UGA-55 players drafted/6 first rounders
Miami-48 players drafted/7 first rounders

Now if you want to include Richt's entire UGA coaching career to the same time span at Miami.

Miami-80 players drafted/23 first rounders
UGA-76 players drafted/12 first rounders

Now don't get me wrong over the past 10 years UGA has had more depth, slightly more talent. It's not some HUGE gap like some are putting on.

It's very similiar actually.

What about all of the UDFAs like Allen Hurns? Until last year, Miami has held the top spot for most NFL players.

This year may be a little tough for Richt with 80ish kids. 2017, if he can keep the NFL departures (Kaaya, AQM, Thomas...) from happening we could be one of the top teams in the country.

 

[ghost2]

I hear a common misconception that Richt had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I trotted out a fact that Richt was 19-4 vs. ACC teams while at UGA, in which fans of ACC teams say well he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I also hear radio guys bring up the talent argument UGA vs. Miami also.

Facts from 2006-2015 NFL draft spanned 10 years.

UGA-55 players drafted/6 first rounders
Miami-48 players drafted/7 first rounders

Now if you want to include Richt's entire UGA coaching career to the same time span at Miami.

Miami-80 players drafted/23 first rounders
UGA-76 players drafted/12 first rounders

Now don't get me wrong over the past 10 years UGA has had more depth, slightly more talent. It's not some HUGE gap like some are putting on.

It's very similiar actually.

I agree to an extent, but it's also about WHERE Richt's UGA teams were more talented. The QB position (until recently - hence his struggles) and the DL at UGA I believe were more talented than at Miami. Now however - we have the most talented QB we've had in 15 years and the makings of legitimate depth on the DL...

 

[58straight]

it would be interesting to see the positions those draft numbers break down in, i would bet georgia had more guys drafted on the offensive and defensive lines during that time period

 

[brock]

The thing is that richt doesn't care who you are star player or not, he will we kick you off the team if you do something bad . Think about all the more games he could have won with those players as well also the players who kept getting injured

 

[CaneStuck@USF]

I see how much FSU and UF fans are talking about Miami on social media and know right away we got the right man for the job. Them boys shook right now.

 

[kryptonite]

Not an apples to apples comparison. Think about how much talent we've missed out on under Golden and the end of Randy's tenure. If Richt recruits like he historically has he'd have MORE talent at Miami than any of his Georgia teams had.


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Yeap. There is more talent in the tri-country area, than there is in metro Atlanta. You factor in a weaker conference, and the ability to recruit nationally, and Miami will be only be behind FSU in talent.

Clemson is currently the most talented team in the ACC.

Right now, for the 2016 season, I think it's Clemson and it's not even close. That Clemson team was really young last year and really good. They'd be my preseason [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] .

My feeling has always been that until you win one, you are never the favorite (late 90s frank Beamer I'm looking at you). #1 has to be Alabama until dabo proves he can do it.

 

[BabyManiac]

I hear a common misconception that Richt had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I trotted out a fact that Richt was 19-4 vs. ACC teams while at UGA, in which fans of ACC teams say well he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I also hear radio guys bring up the talent argument UGA vs. Miami also.

Facts from 2006-2015 NFL draft spanned 10 years.

UGA-55 players drafted/6 first rounders
Miami-48 players drafted/7 first rounders

Now if you want to include Richt's entire UGA coaching career to the same time span at Miami.

Miami-80 players drafted/23 first rounders
UGA-76 players drafted/12 first rounders

Now don't get me wrong over the past 10 years UGA has had more depth, slightly more talent. It's not some HUGE gap like some are putting on.

It's very similiar actually.

What about all of the UDFAs like Allen Hurns? Until last year, Miami has held the top spot for most NFL players.

This year may be a little tough for Richt with 80ish kids. 2017, if he can keep the NFL departures (Kaaya, AQM, Thomas...) from happening we could be one of the top teams in the country.

Agreed. Include all the undrafted guys that signed and played in the league and I bet the talent sways to Miami's favor. Hurns is just one. Sam Sheilds went from undrafted WR to probowl CB. Steven Morris, Chase Ford, Asante Cleveland, Laron Byrd, Shane McDermott, Armbrister, Gunter, all on rosters right now.

 

[TriStarCane]

The other part of the question is when it comes to talent is does he have enough talent to compete with the ACC? Miami and UGAs overall talent might be marginally different, but the difference between the new schedule in the ACC vs. his schedule in the SEC is massive. Mark went against a very good schedule every year at UGA whereas at Miami he won't have to see that every week. That's what gets me so ****ed about the "talent" issue; if you're saying we don't have talent, you're saying we don't have enough talent to win (probably) the ****tiest division in major college football. I just don't buy that.

 

[The Franchise]

I live in in an area where it's Clemson, UGA, and South Carolina talk most of the year.

Fans of these schools as well as radio guys around here keep saying that Richt will struggle to win like he did at UGA (basically 10 wins per season), and point to his record vs. the ACC 19-4 at UGA was because he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami, and that winning success vs. ACC won't translate over.

I also see this narrative with some national guys I think too.

I think the numbers in my original post point to Richt is going to have just as much talent on hand at Miami, and possibly more.

Those people are baboons if they think Richt won't have access to equal or better talent at UM than he did at UGA. They're all SEC brainwashed dopes in that neck of the backwoods.

 

[demcanes26]

Not an apples to apples comparison. Think about how much talent we've missed out on under Golden and the end of Randy's tenure. If Richt recruits like he historically has he'd have MORE talent at Miami than any of his Georgia teams had.


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Yeap. There is more talent in the tri-country area, than there is in metro Atlanta. You factor in a weaker conference, and the ability to recruit nationally, and Miami will be only be behind FSU in talent.

Clemson is currently the most talented team in the ACC.

On offense, yes, on defense and overall, no.

Last season, FSU was third in college football over a 4 year recruiting cycle when it comes to blue chip recruits. Clemson on the other end wasn't even in the top 12. Teams like Texas and Texas A & M had more blue chip recruits.

Clemson has very good talent, but they don't have the overall talent that FSU has.

 

[BigDikCane]

lol @ UGA being 19-4 vs ACC teams. I bet 14 of those wins came from GA Tech. Anyway Richt needs to learn the state of Miami and he'll be just fine. IMG academy in Bradenton might have the most talented team this year. Another thing, high school football will be dead in 5 years with all of these new leagues opening up.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

The other part of the question is when it comes to talent is does he have enough talent to compete with the ACC? Miami and UGAs overall talent might be marginally different, but the difference between the new schedule in the ACC vs. his schedule in the SEC is massive. Mark went against a very good schedule every year at UGA whereas at Miami he won't have to see that every week. That's what gets me so ****ed about the "talent" issue; if you're saying we don't have talent, you're saying we don't have enough talent to win (probably) the ****tiest division in major college football. I just don't buy that.

Solid post right here

 

[Canezum5]

I think recruits from the state of Georgia, in general, are overrated. They're consistently highly rated, but don't consistently produce IMO. FL obviously has more talent, but the gap in talent between GA and FL is bigger than most people probably think.

Richt's best players were mostly out of state - Stafford, Gurley, Moreno, AJ Green

He did a great job of locking up Georgia players. You have to lock up your backyard, and he did that. Problem is, his backyard wasn't as good as billed.

My one knock on his recruiting at Georgia is he should have identified that, and been more aggressive in recruiting other talent rich SEC regions like Alabama, Louisiana, and Florida.

So if he locks up South Florida like he did Georgia, and adds 2-3 National recruits in each class, we should be contending for NC's again.

Dude, I've been saying this for years. Georgia football just doesn't do it for me. They aren't as mentally tough as the other southern football factories.

Herndon came to Miami after his Norcross team(Best team in Ga) got annihilated 55-0 by booker T. He knew Florida boys played that mentally rugged football that can't be found anywhere else.

 

[d--1]

Not an apples to apples comparison. Think about how much talent we've missed out on under Golden and the end of Randy's tenure. If Richt recruits like he historically has he'd have MORE talent at Miami than any of his Georgia teams had.


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Yeap. There is more talent in the tri-country area, than there is in metro Atlanta. You factor in a weaker conference, and the ability to recruit nationally, and Miami will be only be behind FSU in talent.

Clemson is currently the most talented team in the ACC.

Right now, for the 2016 season, I think it's Clemson and it's not even close. That Clemson team was really young last year and really good. They'd be my preseason [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] .

My feeling has always been that until you win one, you are never the favorite (late 90s frank Beamer I'm looking at you). #1 has to be Alabama until dabo proves he can do it.

I get that. I think the bigger point is the irrelevance of the preseason polls. I'd be all for not having one until 2-3 weeks into the season, but that will never happen. Those rankings drive TV ratings, and as such will always be a part of the game.

 

[Memnon]

I truly believe we're going to get the #1 class for #Storm18 , all we have to do is win the Coastal & a Bowl game this season, and it's locked up.
Fortunately for us, that won't be that difficult to do, all our toughest games are at home, Notre Dame (our toughest road game) is only returning 5 starters and by the time we play them, they'll probably be beaten up & disheveled.
A 10 win season is more than doable, we just have to take care of business early on and the rest of the season we'll roll.

 

[Richard Belding]

I hear a common misconception that Richt had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I trotted out a fact that Richt was 19-4 vs. ACC teams while at UGA, in which fans of ACC teams say well he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I also hear radio guys bring up the talent argument UGA vs. Miami also.

Facts from 2006-2015 NFL draft spanned 10 years.

UGA-55 players drafted/6 first rounders
Miami-48 players drafted/7 first rounders

Now if you want to include Richt's entire UGA coaching career to the same time span at Miami.

Miami-80 players drafted/23 first rounders
UGA-76 players drafted/12 first rounders

Now don't get me wrong over the past 10 years UGA has had more depth, slightly more talent. It's not some HUGE gap like some are putting on.

It's very similiar actually.

Our problem isn't the starters, it's that we don't have depth. We don't stack elite recruits the way Georgia does, so our backups are projects while UGA has 4 stars on the bench.

And what our fans (and fans everywhere) forget is that injuries are an absolute certainty in the course of a season. Just look at the Pickney scare today. We will probably have to get meaningful contribution this year from guys who have no business contributing at a real Miami team

Richt's success here will ultimately come down to how many blue chips he can stack on the recruiting trail. And it starts by winning more games this year and creating a positive buzz around the program.

 

[simplycanes]

I hear a common misconception that Richt had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I trotted out a fact that Richt was 19-4 vs. ACC teams while at UGA, in which fans of ACC teams say well he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I also hear radio guys bring up the talent argument UGA vs. Miami also.

Facts from 2006-2015 NFL draft spanned 10 years.

UGA-55 players drafted/6 first rounders
Miami-48 players drafted/7 first rounders

Now if you want to include Richt's entire UGA coaching career to the same time span at Miami.

Miami-80 players drafted/23 first rounders
UGA-76 players drafted/12 first rounders

Now don't get me wrong over the past 10 years UGA has had more depth, slightly more talent. It's not some HUGE gap like some are putting on.

It's very similiar actually.

What this analysis tells me is how much talent we left on the table at UM. UM's number should be 1.5x higher than UGA's given the relative recruiting pools of the two schools. Look at the statistics-- the number of south Florida HS football players drafted relative to their peer group is staggering.

 

[simplycanes]

I live in in an area where it's Clemson, UGA, and South Carolina talk most of the year.

Fans of these schools as well as radio guys around here keep saying that Richt will struggle to win like he did at UGA (basically 10 wins per season), and point to his record vs. the ACC 19-4 at UGA was because he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami, and that winning success vs. ACC won't translate over.

I also see this narrative with some national guys I think too.

I think the numbers in my original post point to Richt is going to have just as much talent on hand at Miami, and possibly more.

Those people are baboons if they think Richt won't have access to equal or better talent at UM than he did at UGA. They're all SEC brainwashed dopes in that neck of the backwoods.

Yup, those guys are the reason I am glad I live in a real city.