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Richt's RPO Philosphy A Good Fit For Top WR Recruits

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I'm curios to know what RPO systems have been effective enough to attract top WR recruits and then produce enough impact players at the next level. I took a look at Richt's RPO system at MIA and the system he ran at UGA and as I thought it's not all that attractive for more than one WR at a time. At the start of the 2012 season it produced only three WR's at the next level. I can see this being an issue with recruiting top WR recruits. How has Richt since tweaked his system if not, how can he tweak it so that it will become more attractive? I'm not a fan of RPO so convince me that this philosophy is effective and attractive enough for multiple WR's? And I can see easily why Coley can sell a kid on his system versus Richt's RPO system. Any thoughts?

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What the **** are you talking about? Richt didnt even really use the rpo at uga.
 
RPO is a new fad. All it really is I think is 2 plays are called in the huddle ( a run and a pass). When they get to the line if they don't like the run because the box is stacked they call a quick pass. If they get to the line and there are limited numbers in the box the switch to a run. It's nothing new really just now there's a title to it. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and many others have been doing this for years!
 
Richt's WR recruiting at Georgia was not good. But he'll have a much deeper recruiting pool in FL then he did in GA to pull from, so I'm hoping this improves.
 
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And rpo isnt a system. Its just plays. Almost everybody in cfb uses rpos now. Nobody uses it every single play.
 
I believe Richt used the RPO as a Band-Aid rather than a philosophy.

I go back to his initial comments when he was first hired. He said he was going to use whatever offense fit the personal he had and then build from there as time passes.

If you look at how often his passers @ UGA were under center vs. Kaaya, it confirms that, especially if you look at the last 4 games.

He tried to put him under center and as we all saw, it failed miserably.
 
252cane said:
What the **** are you talking about? Richt didnt even really use the rpo at uga.
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Calm down bro, if you have the answer then use this as an opportunity to educate us all. No need to blow your top on this discussion. We will have plenty of time for that but right now I am really interested to know more about the use of RPO and it's impact on recruiting as well as it's affect on multiple receiver threats on one team.
 
marshallrc13 said:
RPO is a new fad. All it really is I think is 2 plays are called in the huddle ( a run and a pass). When they get to the line if they don't like the run because the box is stacked they call a quick pass. If they get to the line and there are limited numbers in the box the switch to a run. It's nothing new really just now there's a title to it. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and many others have been doing this for years!
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It's one play that is ran exactly like a run every time except the WR or TE that the pass would go to runs his route expecting the ball quickly. Once he peeks in and sees it was handed off he is usually supposed to make a block on the second level. Everyone else run blocks and the QB makes a decision based on the hanging LB or the safety depending on the alignment.
 
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marshallrc13 said:
RPO is a new fad. All it really is I think is 2 plays are called in the huddle ( a run and a pass). When they get to the line if they don't like the run because the box is stacked they call a quick pass. If they get to the line and there are limited numbers in the box the switch to a run. It's nothing new really just now there's a title to it. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and many others have been doing this for years!
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It's one play.

The Oline run blocks. The WRs run routes (usually a slant or a smoke route). The QB decides whether to hand off to the RB or throw based on his reads.
 
simplycanes said:
I believe Richt used the RPO as a Band-Aid rather than a philosophy.

I go back to his initial comments when he was first hired. He said he was going to use whatever offense fit the personal he had and then build from there as time passes.

If you look at how often his passers @ UGA were under center vs. Kaaya, it confirms that, especially if you look at the last 4 games.

He tried to put him under center and as we all saw, it failed miserably.
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Nah I think he fell in love with the idea of RPOs. It wasn't a bandaid, it was a concept that he thought was amazing - bearing in mind he's not called an offence for a decade.

It obviously can work, but we don't have the personnel for it. I'm glad he's ditched it (mostly - he still sneaks a few in there).
 
Okay I'll bite.

The RPO (Run-Pass-Option) concept isn't really a "system" in the same way that, say, the West Coast Offense is. Rather, it's a series of plays designed to give the QB the option to change the given play to a run or pass depending on what he sees from the defense.

For example, if the defense starts crowding the box to take away the run, the QB can pull the ball out and hit a WR on a quick slant, hitch, or screen. If the defense starts loosening up, he can simply hand the ball off OR take off running himself. This doesn't mean the QB has to run, or that it's by definition a "read-option" concept - though that is one element of it.

The advantage of the RPO concept is that, in theory, the QB has less to think about post-snap. He reads the defense at the line, makes a decision, and goes with it. Less thinking, quicker passes, ball is out quickly, etc. However if the timing gets disrupted, the QB makes the wrong read, or the defense starts disguising things, it gets messy. Further, the RPO isn't necessarily something to rely on all game long. Again, it's a set of plays, not really a "scheme." At some point the QB needs to play a 5- 7-step drop game, work the seams, etc. It also limits some of the run game concepts. Therefore sometimes the RPO can work AGAINST the overall rhythm of playcalling.

With the right QB, in the right situations, I really like using RPO to confuse and loosen up a defense. Particularly one that likes to crowd the box and take away the run first. Come out running some RPO, get the LBs on their heels, then either run power or pass over the top when they get caught peeking.

My .02
 
RPO works when your QB doesn't have to use a Walker to get around in the backfield.

Kaayak does...
 
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section9 said:
RPO works when your QB doesn't have to use a Walker to get around in the backfield.

Kaayak does...
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I think the big issue with Kaaya running RPO is what happens when that first read is gone or the OL breaks down. It's not so much that we need a scramble-ball QB, but Kaaya has to be able to move his feet in order to extend the play once that first read goes away.
 
ghost2 said:
Okay I'll bite.

The RPO (Run-Pass-Option) concept isn't really a "system" in the same way that, say, the West Coast Offense is. Rather, it's a series of plays designed to give the QB the option to change the given play to a run or pass depending on what he sees from the defense.

For example, if the defense starts crowding the box to take away the run, the QB can pull the ball out and hit a WR on a quick slant, hitch, or screen. If the defense starts loosening up, he can simply hand the ball off OR take off running himself. This doesn't mean the QB has to run, or that it's by definition a "read-option" concept - though that is one element of it.

The advantage of the RPO concept is that, in theory, the QB has less to think about post-snap. He reads the defense at the line, makes a decision, and goes with it. Less thinking, quicker passes, ball is out quickly, etc. However if the timing gets disrupted, the QB makes the wrong read, or the defense starts disguising things, it gets messy. Further, the RPO isn't necessarily something to rely on all game long. Again, it's a set of plays, not really a "scheme." At some point the QB needs to play a 5- 7-step drop game, work the seams, etc. It also limits some of the run game concepts. Therefore sometimes the RPO can work AGAINST the overall rhythm of playcalling.

With the right QB, in the right situations, I really like using RPO to confuse and loosen up a defense. Particularly one that likes to crowd the box and take away the run first. Come out running some RPO, get the LBs on their heels, then either run power or pass over the top when they get caught peeking.

My .02
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I love that answer. Now how does that affect impact players and adding additional impact recruits at the WR position when you already have a go to receiver on those hot reads?
 
Also I'll touch on something on [MENTION=3]LuCane[/MENTION] mentioned way back before the season started. Kaaya likes to look "high to low" with his reads. RPO kind of dictates the opposite. This may also be why we switched to a more vertical passing game later in the season to play to what Kaaya naturally likes to read, if that makes sense.
 
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Moro said:
ghost2 said:
Okay I'll bite.

The RPO (Run-Pass-Option) concept isn't really a "system" in the same way that, say, the West Coast Offense is. Rather, it's a series of plays designed to give the QB the option to change the given play to a run or pass depending on what he sees from the defense.

For example, if the defense starts crowding the box to take away the run, the QB can pull the ball out and hit a WR on a quick slant, hitch, or screen. If the defense starts loosening up, he can simply hand the ball off OR take off running himself. This doesn't mean the QB has to run, or that it's by definition a "read-option" concept - though that is one element of it.

The advantage of the RPO concept is that, in theory, the QB has less to think about post-snap. He reads the defense at the line, makes a decision, and goes with it. Less thinking, quicker passes, ball is out quickly, etc. However if the timing gets disrupted, the QB makes the wrong read, or the defense starts disguising things, it gets messy. Further, the RPO isn't necessarily something to rely on all game long. Again, it's a set of plays, not really a "scheme." At some point the QB needs to play a 5- 7-step drop game, work the seams, etc. It also limits some of the run game concepts. Therefore sometimes the RPO can work AGAINST the overall rhythm of playcalling.

With the right QB, in the right situations, I really like using RPO to confuse and loosen up a defense. Particularly one that likes to crowd the box and take away the run first. Come out running some RPO, get the LBs on their heels, then either run power or pass over the top when they get caught peeking.

My .02
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I love that answer. Now how does that affect impact players and adding additional impact recruits at the WR position when you already have a go to receiver on those hot reads?
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That's why it can't be a "system." Eventually you have to spread the ball around at different levels. Now what you can do is plug different pieces into that first read - for example, on one RPO the go-to WR might be Coley. Maybe the next play it's Njoku in the slot. Maybe it's Richards after that. You can do that with a hand signal if you need to.
 
ghost2 said:
Okay I'll bite.

The RPO (Run-Pass-Option) concept isn't really a "system" in the same way that, say, the West Coast Offense is. Rather, it's a series of plays designed to give the QB the option to change the given play to a run or pass depending on what he sees from the defense.

For example, if the defense starts crowding the box to take away the run, the QB can pull the ball out and hit a WR on a quick slant, hitch, or screen. If the defense starts loosening up, he can simply hand the ball off OR take off running himself. This doesn't mean the QB has to run, or that it's by definition a "read-option" concept - though that is one element of it.

The advantage of the RPO concept is that, in theory, the QB has less to think about post-snap. He reads the defense at the line, makes a decision, and goes with it. Less thinking, quicker passes, ball is out quickly, etc. However if the timing gets disrupted, the QB makes the wrong read, or the defense starts disguising things, it gets messy. Further, the RPO isn't necessarily something to rely on all game long. Again, it's a set of plays, not really a "scheme." At some point the QB needs to play a 5- 7-step drop game, work the seams, etc. It also limits some of the run game concepts. Therefore sometimes the RPO can work AGAINST the overall rhythm of playcalling.

With the right QB, in the right situations, I really like using RPO to confuse and loosen up a defense. Particularly one that likes to crowd the box and take away the run first. Come out running some RPO, get the LBs on their heels, then either run power or pass over the top when they get caught peeking.

My .02
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Good post. My first year coaching in HS as a WR coach we went to James Franklin's clinic when he was at Vandy where he taught us their full set of RPO. It was like 8-9 plays and we took 5 and installed on our team. Very basic stuff designed to be effective regardless of the opponent when it's executed.

Franklin explained that it was very beneficial to Vandy because they were outmatched in the SEC regardless. The RPO helps less talented teams compete with the powerhouse teams because it's designed to pick up 6-7 yards every play and there's not really a way to stop it if you can execute the simplest stuff and catch or hold onto the football
 
Moro said:
252cane said:
What the **** are you talking about? Richt didnt even really use the rpo at uga.
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Calm down bro, if you have the answer then use this as an opportunity to educate us all. No need to blow your top on this discussion. We will have plenty of time for that but right now I am really interested to know more about the use of RPO and it's impact on recruiting as well as it's affect on multiple receiver threats on one team.
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There aint no impact on recruiting or wrs. You are implying that because richt uses the rpo thats why top wrs havent commited here yet. Then bring up uga when he didnt even use it there.
 
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