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Look at #15 on Trader at the top of the screen then #34 on Bowman right in front of the ref. Just mugging our guys. This was all game long...there are a lot more clips like this.
 
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flips said:
Can there be 2 offensive penalties enforced on one play? If so, shouldn't ND have lost another 5 yards on the final drive intentional grounding for illegal touching? Carr hit an OL with the ball first.
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Usually, the only time two penalties are enforce on one play is if one happens during the play (i.e., holding) and one is a dead-ball penalty ("personal foul"). If there was a holding penalty and, say, an illegal hands to the face penalty on the SAME play, the team is given a choice of which penalty to accept.

That's why you may sometimes see a conference, where the ref explains where the ball would be spotted under each penalty choice.
 
plantcity3 said:
TBH, I knew the flag was coming before it did because he ran and jumped on the pile after his helmet came off. Buuuuutttt, the play should have been blown dead before he even had a chance to chase the pile.

Im like you though, he was in the middle of the action when the helmet came off. If he stopped and a ND player cleans him up, I bet no flag is thrown.
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100% true.

If the refs' concern is "safety", then the play should be blown dead. To act all sanctimonious about "protecting the safety of a helmet-less player" AS YOU ALLOW THE PLAY TO GO ON AROUND HIM is a joke.
 
I was watching the game with a friend and in the first half we commented that the refs were letting the players play and that was fine as long as they let both teams do it. There was only one penalty flag the whole first half. Then, as soon as Miami went up 21-7 it became a flag fest. Notre Dame’s drive to make it 24-17 was completely aided by penalty yardage.

Notre Dame was penalized 5 times. Two were blatant grounding penalties and one was the PI where the DB tackled the receiver on a deep route that would have gone for 6. Those were all no-brainer, obvious calls. Anything that allowed the referees to be subjective just got ignored. Holding calls, defensive PI calls. They hit us with a PF for getting chippy and let the Irish push and shove after the play. Even the TV guys were shocked by that one.
 
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SinCityCane said:
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Look at #15 on Trader at the top of the screen then #34 on Bowman right in front of the ref. Just mugging our guys. This was all game long...there are a lot more clips like this.
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Miami is lucky the talent level was obscene. As a football fan I was sick watching. Was a complete joke how they got away with everything. Give credit to our guys and staff. This could have been the story because of how we reacted and it wasn't. That's a professional approach.
 
I don’t like to think about referees effecting the game but it seemed like they really didn’t want to throw flags on ND. There were many questionable actions right in front of the officials and no flags were thrown. Also thought a couple calls against UM were tricky tack. Really thought Miami played disciplined. The other thing that stuck out to me was I thought the officials allowed ND to really be physical and handsy with our receivers well down the field and when the ball was in the air.
 
DTP said:
I was watching the game with a friend and in the first half we commented that the refs were letting the players play and that was fine as long as they let both teams do it. There was only one penalty flag the whole first half. Then, as soon as Miami went up 21-7 it became a flag fest. Notre Dame’s drive to make it 24-17 was completely aided by penalty yardage.

Notre Dame was penalized 5 times. Two were blatant grounding penalties and one was the PI where the DB tackled the receiver on a deep route that would have gone for 6. Those were all no-brainer, obvious calls. Anything that allowed the referees to be subjective just got ignored. Holding calls, defensive PI calls. They hit us with a PF for getting chippy and let the Irish push and shove after the play. Even the TV guys were shocked by that one.
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Exactly... said the same thing.. first half, I was a little frustrated but I just said, I guess they're just letting them play...... then it became obvious lopsided.... my TV has PTSD from the abuse I was given it......
 
DTP said:
I was watching the game with a friend and in the first half we commented that the refs were letting the players play and that was fine as long as they let both teams do it. There was only one penalty flag the whole first half. Then, as soon as Miami went up 21-7 it became a flag fest. Notre Dame’s drive to make it 24-17 was completely aided by penalty yardage.

Notre Dame was penalized 5 times. Two were blatant grounding penalties and one was the PI where the DB tackled the receiver on a deep route that would have gone for 6. Those were all no-brainer, obvious calls. Anything that allowed the referees to be subjective just got ignored. Holding calls, defensive PI calls. They hit us with a PF for getting chippy and let the Irish push and shove after the play. Even the TV guys were shocked by that one.
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Bro said the same thing in the stands to the guys around me at half. I was interested to see the penalties because Miami always seems to have a few boneheaded penalties in them and we were saying the game was a little chippy but we would rather let the teams play and it was crazy how few flags were thrown.

Then all of a sudden they start calling the ticky tacky calls and need to huddle to talk about clear and obvious grounding calls or even the holding flag they picked up.

I will say though if I was a ND fan I would be ****ed Miami got a few lucky bounces. Bain INT popping off of Scott's foot perfectly in the air instead of kicking it out of bounds or something, Scott's forced fumble where he crushed him, I was unsure if he ever caught the ball, I think it was candidly moving the entire time but absolutely no angle could show that, CJ's insane catch, we had a few bounces go our way.
 
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Cookie917 said:
I will say though if I was a ND fan I would be ****ed Miami got a few lucky bounces. Bain INT popping off of Scott's foot perfectly in the air instead of kicking it out of bounds or something, Scott's forced fumble where he crushed him, I was unsure if he ever caught the ball, I think it was candidly moving the entire time but absolutely no angle could show that, CJ's insane catch, we had a few bounces go our way.
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There’s a HUGE difference between players making improbable plays and the referees making calls that benefit your team.
 
DTP said:
There’s a HUGE difference between players making improbable plays and the referees making calls that benefit your team.
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Oh I agree, the refs shafted us in that game and we still won. I meant more so I always feel like we are on the wrong sides of bounces or crazy fluke plays and on Sunday night a few went our way. Like the Scott kick of the ball was just a fluke crazy thing. Or like when the ND RB fumbled on the goal line and it bounced right to the QB, legit the only ND player within 5 yards of it, that ball goes any other direction it is Miami ball. **** like that was what I was referencing.
 
Cookie917 said:
Bro said the same thing in the stands to the guys around me at half. I was interested to see the penalties because Miami always seems to have a few boneheaded penalties in them and we were saying the game was a little chippy but we would rather let the teams play and it was crazy how few flags were thrown.

Then all of a sudden they start calling the ticky tacky calls and need to huddle to talk about clear and obvious grounding calls or even the holding flag they picked up.

I will say though if I was a ND fan I would be ****ed Miami got a few lucky bounces. Bain INT popping off of Scott's foot perfectly in the air instead of kicking it out of bounds or something, Scott's forced fumble where he crushed him, I was unsure if he ever caught the ball, I think it was candidly moving the entire time but absolutely no angle could show that, CJ's insane catch, we had a few bounces go our way.
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Canes got some good bounces and ND forums emphasize the deflected INT and the difficult catch but forget:

- The botched FG attempt
- The coverage bust explosive was a Canes mistake more so than anything they did and in general they were scoring on scramble drill and QB BS whereas Miami was running over them with regular vanilla offense
- If the 3rd and 1 rushing attempt doesn't get stopped by the wet turf then ND were on their way to getting blown out
 
Glow said:
Canes got some good bounces and ND forums emphasize the deflected INT and the difficult catch but forget:

- The botched FG attempt
- The coverage bust explosive was a Canes mistake more so than anything they did and in general they were scoring on scramble drill and QB BS whereas Miami was running over them with regular vanilla offense
- If the 3rd and 1 rushing attempt doesn't get stopped by the wet turf then ND were on their way to getting blown out
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yup plenty of bounces went their way as well, or the fumble by their RB on the goal line that went right back to the QB, the only ND player within 5 yards of it otherwise messidor is running down the sideline with it, the insane catch over OJ down the sideline, the scramble drill to find a wide open guy in the endzone after Moten slipped.
 
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