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Redskin fans were OVERJOYED when Snyder brought back J.Gibbs

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BuddyRyans46

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....and Gibbs didn't exactly lead them back to the promised land. Turns out that he wasn't the same Joe Gibbs. Southern Cal brought back John Robinson in the mid 90's, and then they fired him when he couldn't return them to their late 70's/early 80's glory. Just pastries for thought, folks. It isn't 1995 and Butch is no longer an uber-ambitious/hungry assistant looking to advance his career and make some serious $$$$$. He is now a 63 year-old television analyst who has been fired from his last two coaching gigs. The sport of college football has also changed "somewhat" since 1995, as has the world around us. In his four years at UNC, Davis went: 4-8-unranked, 8-5-unrnaked, 8-5-unranked, 8-5 - unranked, losing the "Meineke Car Care" Bowl twice. Sure seems he plateaued at 8-5 and never provided UNC with a "Breakthrough" season the fans all expected when he was hired in 2007. Just FYI.

Can we please all stop pretending that hiring Davis in 2015 would be a "SURE THING", akin to hiring Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh or Nick Saban? If Davis was such a SURE THING, he would be high on every school's wish list, yet he is basically begging the Canes to interview him for the job. I find that interesting.
 
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Also, Gators fans DESPERATELY wanted Foley to bring back Spurrier after the Zooker was sh*tcanned, yet he decided to go with Urban Meyer. I think that worked out well for Florida.
 
Bill Snyder was brought back to Kansas State in 2009 at age 69 after retiring in 2005. "But he's too old" they said. All he did was lead them back to a BCS bowl game, a BCS #1 ranking in November, and conference title and continued the magic of what many consider to be the greatest coaching job in the history of college football.
 
Unlike Joe Gibbs, Butch Davis's strongest qualities are essentially timeless - talent identification and development. He'll hire stud assistants to manage the Xs and Os.

He's the closest thing to a sure thing there is.

And for clarification, Folely had very little say in the Meyer/Spurrier decision. That was all Machen. He loved Urban at Utah and decided to replicate that success at UF. He was dead right and underscores how important it is for university presidents to understand the benefits of successful athletics.
 
Joe Gibbs didn't win in the NFL his 2nd time around, so that means Davis can't win here. That's conclusive proof. Case closed.
 
BuddyRyans46 said:
Also, Gators fans DESPERATELY wanted Foley to bring back Spurrier after the Zooker was sh*tcanned, yet he decided to go with Urban Meyer. I think that worked out well for Florida.
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Spurrier is not really comparable to Butch as the former hated one aspect of college football that is very
time intensive: recruiting.
He was all about calling plays and playing golf.
Conversely, Butch really enjoys the recruiting aspect of college football...thrives on it.


Not that I am all in on Butch, I have other favorites.
But I wouldn't compare those two.
I wouldn't compare Gibbs to Butch either as Gibbs had other things going on besides football.
 
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WTF does Joe Gibbs and the Redskins have to do with us? There's no debating points here.

Is BuddyRyan the new account for Philly? Give it up LOSER.

 
MedleyCane said:
BuddyRyans46 said:
Also, Gators fans DESPERATELY wanted Foley to bring back Spurrier after the Zooker was sh*tcanned, yet he decided to go with Urban Meyer. I think that worked out well for Florida.
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Spurrier is not really comparable to Butch as the former hated one aspect of college football that is very
time intensive: recruiting.
He was all about calling plays and playing golf.
Conversely, Butch really enjoys the recruiting aspect of college football...thrives on it.


Not that I am all in on Butch, I have other favorites.
But I wouldn't compare those two.
I wouldn't compare Gibbs to Butch either as Gibbs had other things going on besides football.
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Oh, and one more thing....F-ack any references to that shthole school in GAYnesville.
 
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Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,
 
Why must we compare ourselves to other programs?

We've always been different then other programs. Miami the city/school/recruiting has always been a very unique situation to other programs. Butch proved he can coach here in the past. Al Golden was literally perfect proof you can't just stick any coach in here, you need a coach who fits well in this environment. Butch has already proved that once. This isnt Kansas State, USC, Louisville, or the Washington Redskins, just because it didn't work out perfectly for them doesn't mean it won't for us. We've always been different.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee Butch will have success, but would you rather roll the dice for the 4th time or return somebody who has proved they can do it before?
 
Jakec15 said:
Why must we compare ourselves to other programs?

We've always been different then other programs. Miami the city/school/recruiting has always been a very unique situation to other programs. Butch proved he can coach here in the past. Al Golden was literally perfect proof you can't just stick any coach in here, you need a coach who fits well in this environment. Butch has already proved that once. This isnt Kansas State, USC, Louisville, or the Washington Redskins, just because it didn't work out perfectly for them doesn't mean it won't for us. We've always been different.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee Butch will have success, but would you rather roll the dice for the 4th time or return somebody who has proved they can do it before?
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What history suggests is if you bring back butch for round 2 that's a major roll of the dice.
 
OMG the Hecht is giving free credits for all who will come with these **** poor comparisons and comical attempts to discredit Butch and get us to back off. LOL.
Keep the pressure up men!

BUTCH OR YOU'RE NEXT BLAKE
 
gacaneaddict said:
Jakec15 said:
Why must we compare ourselves to other programs?

We've always been different then other programs. Miami the city/school/recruiting has always been a very unique situation to other programs. Butch proved he can coach here in the past. Al Golden was literally perfect proof you can't just stick any coach in here, you need a coach who fits well in this environment. Butch has already proved that once. This isnt Kansas State, USC, Louisville, or the Washington Redskins, just because it didn't work out perfectly for them doesn't mean it won't for us. We've always been different.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee Butch will have success, but would you rather roll the dice for the 4th time or return somebody who has proved they can do it before?
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What history suggests is if you bring back butch for round 2 that's a major roll of the dice.
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Are any of those places named Miami?
 
gacaneaddict said:
Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,
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What great success did Walsh have his first time around in the college game? He won something like 8 games a year at Stanford. Pretty sure his 2nd run in college was pretty equal to his first run--neither was anything to brag about.

John Robinson during his first stint at USC: won 8, 9, and 8 his last 3 years.
John Robinson during his second stint at USC: won 8, 8 and 9 his first 3 years.
 
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gacaneaddict said:
Jakec15 said:
Why must we compare ourselves to other programs?

We've always been different then other programs. Miami the city/school/recruiting has always been a very unique situation to other programs. Butch proved he can coach here in the past. Al Golden was literally perfect proof you can't just stick any coach in here, you need a coach who fits well in this environment. Butch has already proved that once. This isnt Kansas State, USC, Louisville, or the Washington Redskins, just because it didn't work out perfectly for them doesn't mean it won't for us. We've always been different.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee Butch will have success, but would you rather roll the dice for the 4th time or return somebody who has proved they can do it before?
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What history suggests is if you bring back butch for round 2 that's a major roll of the dice.
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What history suggests is that you're trolling.

 
1. Joe Gibbs had been away from NFL football for 12 full years and was more interested in hubcaps and tire pressure then go routes and blitz packages and he still made the playoffs two of the four years for his second stint.

2. Foley hired Meyer over Spurrier and Meyer went on to dominate. And? Spurrier took over a South Carolina team who had been bashed like no other in the SEC to the tune of 23-32-1 under Brad Scott and 33-37 under Lou Holtz and he went 86-49 and won 11 games three times in a row. I'd think that had he been hired back to Florida his performance would only have been better and maybe comparable to Meyer's.

3. All of that is irrelevant to Butch. What one coach did their second time around somewhere has no relation to how Butch can do here.
 
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One more crawling out of the woodworks. Where those posters were before? Only to show up now with relatively new accounts trying to find reasons to discredit Butch:
1- Making crazy comparisons (ignoring glaring differences in performance history, skill set and energy)
2-Talking about old age (ignoring the fact that he is in the same range as Saban, Miles and Briles.
I bet all of them were Golden supporters before he was canned.
 
gacaneaddict said:
Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,
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We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?
 
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