Recruiting: Al vs Richt

[kmwcane]

Yea but everyone with a brain knew he would win based on the prospects he was landing. They were re ruiting on a different level when jimbo took over

Except for the fact that he kept losing to less talented teams prior to Winston's arrival as shown in my prior post.

Nevertheless, coaching is as, if not more, important than recruiting - especially at a place like Miami.

 

[marshallrc13]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

So coaching is only 20% of the equation? Wow.

You keep pointing to Alabama as your example of "recruiting wins" but you are discounting the fact that Saban is actually a phenomenal coach of the game of football that surrounds himself with other great coaches. Coaching football is so much more than just playcalling; it's about teaching technique, discipline, managing a roster, strength and conditioning, etc... Nick Saban is great because he checks every single detail possible. As a result his teams are disciplined, rarely beat themselves and the players are put in a position to succeed on the field. Then you combine this great coaching with the talent he brings in and you see what happens.

You point to Jimbo Fisher but again that makes my point. I agree, Jimbo is not a great coach. FSU is more talented than every team they play each year, yet they lost three games last year for example. Yes, Fisher won a title but that was mainly due to Jameis Winston. A truly great QB like Winston can mask most coaching deficiencies - see Vince Young/Mack Brown, Cam Newton/Gene Chizik, etc.

Miami's great teams combined great coaching and great players, it wasn't just great players that made Miami. If it is all about recruiting and "out talenting' the other team, how did the 2003 Miami Hurricanes lose to Virginia Tech and Tennessee? Please explain why Miami has lost to teams with much less talent over the past decade or so? It is because of coaching.

It's like the old adage "what came first, the chicken or the egg?". Coaching and recruiting are the same. A great coach may win some with less talent but won't do so on a regular basis at a high level. At the same time a great recruiter needs to be able to coach to win on a regular basis or he'll get his **** pushed in time after time. You need to be able to do both. I really hate Saban and Meyer but they do both and the results show.

 

[swat1]

When you get out coached AND out recruited.................you lose 58-0.

 

[SoldierForThisU]

When you get out coached AND out recruited.................you lose 58-0.

...and the players quit on you. We had no business losing to that Clemson team by 20 let alone 58. Golden had to go and was overmatched on many fronts, but the talent gap was not 58 points.

 

[SoldierForThisU]

Anything is better than what we had.

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

Thats like saying you would rather eat vomit than eat sh:t.

Btw London beat Al's brain in with much less talent. London>Golden.

Ironically both coaches beat Al less talent.

Edsall is awful. He only won with half our team suspended.

 

[Orangebowl]

Golden was an awful recruiter. He was Shannon minus the 2008 class.

 

[Orangebowl]

Anything is better than what we had.

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

Thats like saying you would rather eat vomit than eat sh:t.

Btw London beat Al's brain in with much less talent. London>Golden.

Ironically both coaches beat Al less talent.

Edsall is awful. He only won with half our team suspended.

Edsall and golden are a wash. London is worse than golden.

 

[The Franchise]

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

Thats like saying you would rather eat vomit than eat sh:t.

Btw London beat Al's brain in with much less talent. London>Golden.

Ironically both coaches beat Al less talent.

Edsall is awful. He only won with half our team suspended.

Edsall and golden are a wash. London is worse than golden.

London's worse than Folden, but he beat Folden head-to-head with less talent several times?

 

[Dirty Sprite]

I'm confused as to why ppl are still trying to suggest somebody else is worse than Golden?

 

[marshallrc13]

I'm confused as to why ppl are still trying to suggest somebody else is worse than Golden?

Only guy worse than Folden is No'D... No'D was an abortion of a coach.

 

[Coach Macho]

Golden was the worst possible fit for the University of Miami and his recruiting strategies showed that. He had no clue what it took to win at Miami. (speed)

The list of kids he signed that were JAGs is long, and it burns even more when you consider the kids he passed up to sign them. His evaluation skills are the worst I've ever seen.

 

[TheEye]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

Jimbo had the advantage of meeting most of his recruits as an FSU coach prior to taking the HC job. Also, him being a coach in waiting was no secret for years. Very few coaches land all star recruits before showing any product on the field.

 

[ncncanes]

Butch brought in a ton of talent with little to no "product on the field" and very little experience
- tell the kid he will play early if he earns it + show him that you will do that + you have to be a great sales person to the kid and mom

 

[sebastiansbill]

Recruiting: One major difference between Al Golden and Mark Richt | Canes Watch

.......Shodell brought up the example of quarterback N’Kosi Perry, who committed under Golden, backed off and later gave a commitment to Richt — after a phone call where Richt advised him to think a little harder.

“Mark said, ‘How committed are you?’ He said, ‘Well, I’m not really sure, but I like you guys a lot.’ Mark said, ‘Then you shouldn’t be committed. Why would you be committed if you’re not sure?’ So the kid decommitted that night......



P.S.- I follow Matt Porter on twitter and he lowkey has some gems.

Al was a flat out awful recruiter. Shannon was pretty bad at recruiting save for 2008.

 

[sebastiansbill]

I'm confused as to why ppl are still trying to suggest somebody else is worse than Golden?

Who said anybody is worse than Golden? Well nobody at Miami has ever been anyway. Darell Hazell at Purdue is probably worse than Golden but that's it as far as BCS conference coaches go.

 

[ThomasM]

That 2008 class was great on paper, but TERRIBLE on Saturdays. I'd take our 2014 recruiting class over that 2008 class, rankings be damned.

Recruiting: One major difference between Al Golden and Mark Richt | Canes Watch

.......Shodell brought up the example of quarterback N’Kosi Perry, who committed under Golden, backed off and later gave a commitment to Richt — after a phone call where Richt advised him to think a little harder.

“Mark said, ‘How committed are you?’ He said, ‘Well, I’m not really sure, but I like you guys a lot.’ Mark said, ‘Then you shouldn’t be committed. Why would you be committed if you’re not sure?’ So the kid decommitted that night......



P.S.- I follow Matt Porter on twitter and he lowkey has some gems.

Al was a flat out awful recruiter. Shannon was pretty bad at recruiting save for 2008.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

It was always amazing to me how well Folden could recruit........for Jimbo and the Gata. Did most of their work for them. #### him. I hope he freezes his nutz off in Detroit..before they run him out of town there, too.

 

[ThomasM]

In my opinion it wasn't Golden's recruiting that was so terrible, but his idiotic game day philosophy. Take the beat down we were giving Nebraska last year. He gets a lead and he gets timid. The talent wasn't the problem, it was his inability to unleash the talent he had for 4 quarters. FSU 2 years ago is another prime example. You don't have your foot on FSU's neck like that if you're not talented. Golden teams couldn't finish. They couldn't finish drives when they needed to. They couldn't finish games with big leads. They couldn't finish seasons strong. He wasn't a finisher. It could be said he wasn't a finisher on the recruiting path as well, but he did manage to win some battles there. Problem is, he couldn't win with the talent he landed.

 

[BucCANEers]

In my opinion it wasn't Golden's recruiting that was so terrible, but his idiotic game day philosophy. Take the beat down we were giving Nebraska last year. He gets a lead and he gets timid. The talent wasn't the problem, it was his inability to unleash the talent he had for 4 quarters. FSU 2 years ago is another prime example. You don't have your foot on FSU's neck like that if you're not talented. Golden teams couldn't finish. They couldn't finish drives when they needed to. They couldn't finish games with big leads. They couldn't finish seasons strong. He wasn't a finisher. It could be said he wasn't a finisher on the recruiting path as well, but he did manage to win some battles there. Problem is, he couldn't win with the talent he landed.

Yeah. Alot of ppl on here are mistaken. Golden wasnt a horrible recruiter. Did he miss on some recruits? Yeah but so do a lot of teams. His down fall besides what you named, was his player development. Besides a few players like Duke or Perryman he didn't develop his player to their potential.