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Recruiter is #1 Priority

Ethnicsands said:
You are flat out wrong. Miami isn’t a top team, and your example is meaningless. I have not claimed that bad coaching can’t ***** things up. You’re drunk or confused here.

The top 10-15 teams in cfb almost exclusely have the top rosters in cfb. Plenty of articles and studies and posters have pointed this out. It’s not just Alabama.
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Those top teams also have elite coaching with elite scheming.
 
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1mg of Epi said:
You’re gonna base your opinion on 2 elite teams? The outliers? Ok.

The rest of cfb needs more than a talent advantage now. Go look at Miami’s losses the last 10 years.

But have fun In 1998.
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One I'm asking a simple question, two that's not an outlier when the examples are in the college football playoff nearly every single year and have won the last 3 national titles..................that's a trend. Ohio State was the other team and also had a decided talent advantage.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Almost every highly regarded kid we got in that class committed before the season started and signed early. The only notable kid who committed late was Jarren Williams. You can credit the ND game for his commitment. Thank goodness the guys we got mostly signed early.
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We closed 2016 strong as well which helped with that recruiting momentum. But I hear your point. I honestly think UM needs a coach that is solid on the field and on the recruiting trail. We aren't just gonna be able to sell all the top kids on coming to UM. We literally never have. I don't think we will ever consistently be able to bring in classes as highly rated as UGA and Bama are right now. I do think we can be in the tier of teams right below that consistently.
 
Wario has a **** Heisman candidate at qb and can’t win the conference but y’all want a recruiter
 
1mg of Epi said:
Those top teams also have elite coaching with elite scheming.
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Nick Saban goes through coordinaters over and over. He isn’t a schemer. Dabo isn’t, either. He was a recruiter, mostly, who was in the right place at the right time, and knows how to run a program. Smart is a defensive coach, and a good one, but not an offensive schemer. Orgeron isnt a scheme guy. LSU competes on talent and defense.

Franklin is a good offensive coach but wouldn’t consider him an innovator. Dan Mullen is a darn good offensive coach. Not sure why we passed on him last time.

Harbaugh and Fisher are very good offensive coaches. Not sure I’d say they’re innovators so much as guys who understand offensive philosophy.

Your really innovative head coaches are at Oklahoma, UCF, Nebraska. Meyer was at least a great offensive coach, whether or not you considered him innovative, but he’s retired.
caneinpsl said:
We closed 2016 strong as well which helped with that recruiting momentum. But I hear your point. I honestly think UM needs a coach that is solid on the field and on the recruiting trail. We aren't just gonna be able to sell all the top kids on coming to UM. We literally never have. I don't think we will ever consistently be able to bring in classes as highly rated as UGA and Bama are right now. I do think we can be in the tier of teams right below that consistently.
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what we need to do as far as recruiting goes is (a) EVALUATE really well, and (b) keep most of the best local kids home. Not all. Most.

We also need a good program, scheme, discipline, S&C, ST, development, game planning, play calling.

But if you group all that stuff into ‘coaching,’ then we need both talent and coaching.
 
Andrew said:
We need a coach, Richt recruited fine.
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Right but staff
S.CarolinaCane said:
Nope, development should be actually.

Lots of good recruiters, but we see every Sunday how much of our talent is wasted because of poor development...jesus our bowl game was a great example. The oline of Wisconsin was excellent compared to ours and it's all about the development.

Guys like Franklin do well with this, and honestly most progrs with consistency do well with this
We have been the definition of inconsistencies, over and over. Look at all the coaching and staff changes.
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Andrew said:
We need a coach, Richt recruited fine.
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So you want the HC to develop the entire team? That makes no sense. You hire a strong HC to hire great talent developers for assistant coaches, and that's where Richt failed. His offensive staff wasn't strong enough in execution and player-development.
 
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AboutTheU05 said:
One I'm asking a simple question, two that's not an outlier when the examples are in the college football playoff nearly every single year and have won the last 3 national titles..................that's a trend. Ohio State was the other team and also had a decided talent advantage.
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Exactly correct. And Ohio State being left out of the discussion is ridiculous. You are proper to include that team. Ohio State has monster talent but missed out on the playoffs the past few seasons only because of the ineptitude of J.T. Barrett and a couple of bizarre lopsided road defeats to Iowa last season and Purdue this year. Otherwise that team is in the playoffs and would be hellish to eliminate. If the Buckeyes are in there then the spotlight properly zeroes in on recruiting as the paramount priority.

Top 10 or 15 recruiting classes are not enough. Anyone who believes that is a tulip. There is a greater difference between 5 and 15 than between 15 and 40, in terms of how legitimate you are. We have no chance against the Alabamas and Clemsons of the world unless we match them in recruiting.

This forum is run by too many guys who are mesmerized by South Florida high school talent. That has been an issue since this site began, and there is no reason to believe it won't continue. Consequently they refuse to believe Miami is at a disadvantage if we don't sign a top 5 class. They know the names of the kids we do sign, and have followed them for years. They rationalize that those kids are just as good as the higher rated classes signed by Alabama and Ohio State, etc. Then once a few of our guys have success in the NFL they use those examples to desperately feed their own bias. We didn't lose because of inferior players. It was coaching. It was player development. It was whatever they want it to be.

No, it was lesser talent. Happy Adjusters will always lose. They whiff the big picture entirely. Football is an ultimate physical sport. We need a supreme recruiter who can convince big strong talented physical ornery players to come to the University of Miami.

Otherwise we remain a cupcake team. How is Patchan playing any minutes for this defense? Wisconsin's biggest problem was not to laugh at his presence. That player on the field symbolizes where we are right now, in comparison to where we need to be.
 
Ethnicsands said:
what we need to do as far as recruiting goes is (a) EVALUATE really well, and (b) keep most of the best local kids home. Not all. Most.

We also need a good program, scheme, discipline, S&C, ST, development, game planning, play calling.

But if you group all that stuff into ‘coaching,’ then we need both talent and coaching.
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We are on the same page. We have had far too many kids leave south Florida the last decade that were dying for a UM offer, which came too late or not at all. Evaluating local talent and getting those kids to stay home is paramount. I just don't think we need the big salesman type at UM. Being able to identify with these kids, and teach them the game is way more important IMHO. But most coaches that can do that can recruit well anyway.
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
Right but staff



So you want the HC to develop the entire team? That makes no sense. You hire a strong HC to hire great talent developers for assistant coaches, and that's where Richt failed. His offensive staff wasn't strong enough in execution and player-development.
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What I am saying is if a coach is not a great coach then he will not be a great recruiter. Our recruitment is largely determined by the results on the field. A successful coach will know how to recruit, its frankly the easier part of the job.
 
Andrew said:
What I am saying is if a coach is not a great coach then he will not be a great recruiter. Our recruitment is largely determined by the results on the field. A successful coach will know how to recruit, its frankly the easier part of the job.
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You just need someone on your staff to coach well, but It doesn't need to be the HC. How do you think great defensive coaches recruit the other side of the ball, and vice versa?

Dabo, Saban, and Meyer don't coach squat.
 
caneinpsl said:
We are on the same page. We have had far too many kids leave south Florida the last decade that were dying for a UM offer, which came too late or not at all. Evaluating local talent and getting those kids to stay home is paramount. I just don't think we need the big salesman type at UM. Being able to identify with these kids, and teach them the game is way more important IMHO. But most coaches that can do that can recruit well anyway.
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I am far more focused on evaluations than selling. But there’s also effort, focus, discipline, back up plans, etc. we need a coach who understands that our one real differentiator is access to local talent and knows how to mine that asset. Otherwise, we will fail. Selling helps. Even a lot. But evaluations and discipline and effort matter more.
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
You just need someone on your staff to coach well, but It doesn't need to be the HC. How do you think great defensive coaches recruit the other side of the ball, and vice versa?
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Great head coaches are going to have good assistants. Hire a guy that can win and everything else takes care of itself. If Mario comes here and has two crappy seasons then he won't be getting any recruits.
 
Andrew said:
Great head coaches are going to have good assistants. Hire a guy that can win and everything else takes care of itself. If Mario comes here and has two crappy seasons then he won't be getting any recruits.
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Moot point. Loud noises and unwavering violence returns to the Hect.
 
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Mahoney-Pearson said:
Right but staff



So you want the HC to develop the entire team? That makes no sense. You hire a strong HC to hire great talent developers for assistant coaches, and that's where Richt failed. His offensive staff wasn't strong enough in execution and player-development.
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Lol
So who do you think failed the most?
Brown has done excellent bringing good talent and developing as a RB guy.
For a 1st year DL coach, Simpson has done a great job
Jon Richt = fail
Banda, great job recruiting and developing
Dugans, great job recruiting and developing...you can't blame him for losing AR82 and Thomas. Also Cager looked great on paper, turns out he can't catch ****.
Hartley, not his fault that nearly every TE on the roster got hurt, but Special teams were bad
Rumph, great job especially in the development area
Searles is a failure
And I'd say Patke has done ok considering the depth at LB

So when you look at the big picture, we failed on the field, primarily on offense. If we win the 4 games mid season, our recruiting numbers don't lack.

Richt failed us on offense tremendously, and the hiring of his son was the downfall especially giving him a key role when we had so many young QBs.
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
Lol
So who do you think failed the most?
Brown has done excellent bringing good talent and developing as a RB guy.
For a 1st year DL coach, Simpson has done a great job
Jon Richt = fail
Banda, great job recruiting and developing
Dugans, great job recruiting and developing...you can't blame him for losing AR82 and Thomas. Also Cager looked great on paper, turns out he can't catch ****.
Hartley, not his fault that nearly every TE on the roster got hurt, but Special teams were bad
Rumph, great job especially in the development area
Searles is a failure
And I'd say Patke has done ok considering the depth at LB

So when you look at the big picture, we failed on the field, primarily on offense. If we win the 4 games mid season, our recruiting numbers don't lack.

Richt failed us on offense tremendously, and the hiring of his son was the downfall especially giving him a key role when we had so many young QBs.
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I don't follow any of this... But it's Manny's show now. Go Canes!
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
Lol
So who do you think failed the most?
Brown has done excellent bringing good talent and developing as a RB guy.
For a 1st year DL coach, Simpson has done a great job
Jon Richt = fail
Banda, great job recruiting and developing
Dugans, great job recruiting and developing...you can't blame him for losing AR82 and Thomas. Also Cager looked great on paper, turns out he can't catch ****.
Hartley, not his fault that nearly every TE on the roster got hurt, but Special teams were bad
Rumph, great job especially in the development area
Searles is a failure
And I'd say Patke has done ok considering the depth at LB

So when you look at the big picture, we failed on the field, primarily on offense. If we win the 4 games mid season, our recruiting numbers don't lack.

Richt failed us on offense tremendously, and the hiring of his son was the downfall especially giving him a key role when we had so many young QBs.
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Shouldn’t coaching WR how to catch fall on the WR coach?
 
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