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Recruiter is #1 Priority

HEELSMOKE said:
Recruiting is the most important factor in picking the coach. IMO

Dino and Campbell are scheme coaches, they can win with less, but will never been able to compete with Bama, UGA, OSU. They're not recruiters

Butch , Manny, Cristobal are the best options

Schemes can be built with a great staff.
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Nope, development should be actually.

Lots of good recruiters, but we see every Sunday how much of our talent is wasted because of poor development...jesus our bowl game was a great example. The oline of Wisconsin was excellent compared to ours and it's all about the development.

Guys like Franklin do well with this, and honestly most progrs with consistency do well with this
We have been the definition of inconsistencies, over and over. Look at all the coaching and staff changes.
 
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Andrew said:
That is just it, no one is going to come in and put together the class you want with no results on the field. Richt put together fine classes at UGA and seemed to understand the talent into SFLA. His recruiting problem was he couldn't convince recruits he could win.
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I completely disagree. For all their shortcomings, each of the last 3 coaches at least tried to fill the rosters. Saying you can’t recruit until you win is 100% excuse. Get out and sell. Figure out who you have a chance at. Take your roster needs seriously. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. Success isn’t guaranteed, but not trying hard will fail.

Richt was not serious at all about recruiting. And Kirby Smart is showing you how to calibrate what Richt did at UGA. That program and its boosters and home territory will recruit itself pretty well. People love to talk about Richt taking a kid from Dabo back before Clemson was what they are today.

Richt was just not a good recruiter.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I completely disagree. For all their shortcomings, each of the last 3 coaches at least tried to fill the rosters. Saying you can’t recruit until you win is 100% excuse. Get out and sell. Figure out who you have a chance at. Take your roster needs seriously. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. Success isn’t guaranteed, but not trying hard will fail.

Richt was not serious at all about recruiting. And Kirby Smart is showing you how to calibrate what Richt did at UGA. That program and its boosters and home territory will recruit itself pretty well. People love to talk about Richt taking a kid from Dabo back before Clemson was what they are toda
Richt was just not a good recruiter.
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ThomasM said:
Look at Jimbo. After his once in a lifetime QB left, how did he do? You must be able to coach, because recruits won’t keep signing up for a loser. Richt was a good recruiter, but look what losing did to this class.

I keep seeing people talk about Mario, but why is his record so bad if he’s such an elite recruiter?

Give me an elite coach and elite recruits will follow. A good coach once said that coaches known as great recruiters were rarely great coaches, because great coaches are known for more than just recruiting. That is what Miami needs.
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Real tough choice, I don't know who they should pick, just pick the best coach, offensive coach and defensive coach we can get. All of them have to be able to recruit.
 
Exactly right, Kirby is showing what an elite recruiter can raise a program from good to one the best .
 
Ethnicsands said:
I completely disagree. For all their shortcomings, each of the last 3 coaches at least tried to fill the rosters. Saying you can’t recruit until you win is 100% excuse. Get out and sell. Figure out who you have a chance at. Take your roster needs seriously. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. Success isn’t guaranteed, but not trying hard will fail.

Richt was not serious at all about recruiting. And Kirby Smart is showing you how to calibrate what Richt did at UGA. That program and its boosters and home territory will recruit itself pretty well. People love to talk about Richt taking a kid from Dabo back before Clemson was what they are today.

Richt was just not a good recruiter.
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Smart isn't getting those guys because Richt didn't recruit them, he is getting them because UGA is winning. We offered the right guys under Richt, we just couldn't get them to sign with us. The players we are missing out on are going to schools with more success. Dino Babers, Matt Campbell, Butch Davis, Mario Cristobal, and Manny Diaz would all recruit win if they win.
 
Andrew said:
Smart isn't getting those guys because Richt didn't recruit them, he is getting them because UGA is winning. We offered the right guys under Richt, we just couldn't get them to sign with us. The players we are missing out on are going to schools with more success. Dino Babers, Matt Campbell, Butch Davis, Mario Cristobal, and Manny Diaz would all recruit win if they win.
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This is Bs. He upped recruiting from day 1. The common excuse was bags. Now it’s winning. He is proving UGA can recruit a lot better than Richt did when there.

What I wrote is fact above. Richt was not a serious recruiter. You’re wrong if you think he was. He wasn’t any more serious about recruiting than he was about coaching or winning. not sure why you’d think otherwise.

And we are missing out on a lot more players than you seem to appreciate. You only count the ones he chases and fails at getting. How about the ones he didn’t recruit but should have? How about the empty roster spots he ignored?

The idea you cant recruit until you win is pure excuse. You can hump it hard, that’s for sure. Richt did not. At all. Je ignored his own assistants recruiting for the most part. Let Kul be Kul. Let Searels flail around. Let Manny be. Richt was a hands off guy. That’s not a recruiter.
 
Xs and Os are becoming more important than Johnny’s and joes. CFB has changed since 1998, Richt failed cause he didn’t understand this.
 
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Smart had 3 5* kids and 10 4* kids in his first stub year class at UGA.

In his first full cycle class, he had 2 5* kids and 14 4* kids.

Those are from Rivals.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Xs and Os are becoming more important than Johnny’s and joes. CFB has changed since 1998, Richt failed cause he didn’t understand this.
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This is also false. The best teams are the ones with the most talent, almost entirely.

BOTH coaching and talent matter.
 
Ethnicsands said:
This is Bs. He upped recruiting from day 1. The common excuse was bags. Now it’s winning. He is proving UGA can recruit a lot better than Richt did when there.

What I wrote is fact above. Richt was not a serious recruiter. You’re wrong if you think he was. He wasn’t any more serious about recruiting than he was about coaching or winning. not sure why you’d think otherwise.

And we are missing out on a lot more players than you seem to appreciate. You only count the ones he chases and fails at getting. How about the ones he didn’t recruit but should have? How about the empty roster spots he ignored?

The idea you cant recruit until you win is pure excuse. You can hump it hard, that’s for sure. Richt did not. At all. Je ignored his own assistants recruiting for the most part. Let Kul be Kul. Let Searels flail around. Let Manny be. Richt was a hands off guy. That’s not a recruiter.
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Recruiting is sales. Smart is a salesman.
 
Andrew said:
Smart isn't getting those guys because Richt didn't recruit them, he is getting them because UGA is winning. We offered the right guys under Richt, we just couldn't get them to sign with us. The players we are missing out on are going to schools with more success. Dino Babers, Matt Campbell, Butch Davis, Mario Cristobal, and Manny Diaz would all recruit win if they win.
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To this point, Richt won ten games here in 2017, and signed our best class in some time the same off-season. Could have been even better if we hadn't crapped the bed the last 3 games.
 
caneinpsl said:
To this point, Richt won ten games here in 2017, and signed our best class in some time the same off-season. Could have been even better if we hadn't crapped the bed the last 3 games.
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Almost every highly regarded kid we got in that class committed before the season started and signed early. The only notable kid who committed late was Jarren Williams. You can credit the ND game for his commitment. Thank goodness the guys we got mostly signed early.
 
Ethnicsands said:
This is also false. The best teams are the ones with the most talent, almost entirely.

BOTH coaching and talent matter.
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Miami vs gt, uva, Duke, Pitt, etc etc all disagree.

What two elite teams do as the outlier doesn’t matter.
 
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AboutTheU05 said:
So Bama and Clemson are in the playoffs every year cause they're constantly out-scheming the opponent?
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You’re gonna base your opinion on 2 elite teams? The outliers? Ok.

The rest of cfb needs more than a talent advantage now. Go look at Miami’s losses the last 10 years.

But have fun In 1998.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Miami vs gt, uva, Duke, Pitt, etc etc all disagree.

What two elite teams do as the outlier doesn’t matter.
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You are flat out wrong. Miami isn’t a top team, and your example is meaningless. I have not claimed that bad coaching can’t ***** things up. You’re drunk or confused here.

The top 10-15 teams in cfb almost exclusely have the top rosters in cfb. Plenty of articles and studies and posters have pointed this out. It’s not just Alabama.
 
Ethnicsands said:
You are flat out wrong. Miami isn’t a top team, and your example is meaningless. I have not claimed that bad coaching can’t ***** things up. You’re drunk or confused here.

The top 10-15 teams in cfb almost exclusely have the top rosters in cfb. Plenty of articles and studies and posters have pointed this out. It’s not just Alabama.
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Miami clearly out talented those teams.
 
I'll say it again, a "recruiter" is the VERY LAST thing we need. Winning takes care of recruiting.

We need a coaching savant. Period.
 
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