Realistic Chances of T-Rob As DC

[wherrera8]

He will not coach here.

That's all I wanted to know. You and Kyle answered that. I think we can all agree though that if he were brought in, he would do week here and we would improve also in that side of the ball (DB's).

 

[DiegoCane]

Zero Point Zero

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[Rellyrell]

Dorito isn't going anywhere with our defense ranked #15 unfortunately.

This, plus I still haven't seen anything to suggest that this guy would make a good DC. He's a DB coach. How does that make him a DC? We know the Stoops story, but that doesn't mean every DB coach would make a good DC. I'm just not seeing what T-Rob boosters are seeing.

See Jeremy Pruitt (the guy who led FSU's Defense to a top unit in 2013-2014 and won a NC championship)

 

[The Franchise]

The BEST scenario, IMO, would put T-Rob at co-DC/DB Coach, and bring in Ed Orgeron as co-DC/DL Coach. I could live with having either as the DC outright, but that may be what needs to happen to get them both on board. That would allow us to get rid of NoD, Williams, and Franklin...and get upgrades across the board. The recruiting payoff alone would be worth it, and I think we'd see results on the field too.

It would also open up a spot on the coaching staff that would allow us to, oh, I dunno...maybe hire a QB Coach (a defacto "OC-in-waiting") on? Someone like, say, Kenny Dorsey???

Neither guy has ever been a DC. Oregeron had been in coaching forever and has never gotten a chance, there is a reason for that.

James Coley had only been an OC at FIU (where he was ******* terrible), and OC-in-name-only under Jumbo. Yet, the selling point for getting him was recruiting.

The selling points for my scenario are getting two ****-good position coaches that are major upgrades at DB/DL, and getting 2 guys who can recruit the **** out of defensive players nationwide and in S. Florida...AND opening up a spot to create a QB Coach position to get Dorsey. You draw these guys by selling them on the chance to be a DC.

I never said it was possible nor imminent moo, just saying it would be a nice scenario. Lots of factors working against it and why it won't happen...I'm well aware of that.

You're a nice dude, but that's a horrific post. You want to open up a QB coaching positron for Dorsey who is already an NFL QB coach?

And you want to hire two guys who probably don't know each other and have never coordinated a defense to be co-DCs? On top of that, Orgeron has been pretty clear that he's lobbying for a HC gig. That's what he wants.

We don't need to fill up this staff with even more guys who have proven nothing as tactical coaches.

 

[BWCD]

The BEST scenario, IMO, would put T-Rob at co-DC/DB Coach, and bring in Ed Orgeron as co-DC/DL Coach. I could live with having either as the DC outright, but that may be what needs to happen to get them both on board. That would allow us to get rid of NoD, Williams, and Franklin...and get upgrades across the board. The recruiting payoff alone would be worth it, and I think we'd see results on the field too.

It would also open up a spot on the coaching staff that would allow us to, oh, I dunno...maybe hire a QB Coach (a defacto "OC-in-waiting") on? Someone like, say, Kenny Dorsey???

Neither guy has ever been a DC. Oregeron had been in coaching forever and has never gotten a chance, there is a reason for that.

James Coley had only been an OC at FIU (where he was ******* terrible), and OC-in-name-only under Jumbo. Yet, the selling point for getting him was recruiting.

The selling points for my scenario are getting two ****-good position coaches that are major upgrades at DB/DL, and getting 2 guys who can recruit the **** out of defensive players nationwide and in S. Florida...AND opening up a spot to create a QB Coach position to get Dorsey. You draw these guys by selling them on the chance to be a DC.

I never said it was possible nor imminent moo, just saying it would be a nice scenario. Lots of factors working against it and why it won't happen...I'm well aware of that.

You're a nice dude, but that's a horrific post. You want to open up a QB coaching positron for Dorsey who is already an NFL QB coach?

And you want to hire two guys who probably don't know each other and have never coordinated a defense to be co-DCs? On top of that, Orgeron has been pretty clear that he's lobbying for a HC gig. That's what he wants.

We don't need to fill up this staff with even more guys who have proven nothing as tactical coaches.

Point taken.

I don't think we're in a position to find some savvy gray-haired DC that's a proven winner/tactician right now, especially with Golden being a defensive coach, and the possibility of meddling by him being ever-present. I think we have to be creative with how we get guys on this staff. We have to take some chances.

I don't think you have a lot of guys, outside of some ex-Canes and/or S. Florida HS coaches ready to leap to college, that are beating down the door to come and coach here. That's why, while I know and fully accept that my scenario has a lot of holes in it, I believe we have to be creative to get the right mix of coaches for us.

If you tell Dorsey that Coley will in the next few years end up leaving for a HC job (which he might, if we continue some success), and that he's the OC-in-waiting, that's an upgrade over the Carolina QB gig for him, and would likely be a major upgrade for us once he's able to take the reins from Coley. Plus--Dorsey loves Miami, and has said multiple times if he gets to come back--he likely would for the right position.

I think as far as the co-DC thing, yes--that's a reach on my part, but a bit of creativity that I think we could use. T-Rob and Orgeron would have to put some ego aside, and you may have to give one of them (Orgeron probably) the Asst HC tag to get it done. Plus, as I said--T-Rob/Orgeron are a major upgrade over Williams/Franklin.

It's not realistic, I know that. Just a scenario I was knocking around the other day, and while it's wild...it does make some sense if we could somehow make it happen.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Didn't we report T-Rob to the NCAA this year for some recruiting violations?

 

[deerob305]

Heard T Rob could be headed to Auburn as their DB coach..... FWIW

 

[Dingaan1828]

Dorito isn't going anywhere with our defense ranked #15 unfortunately.

This, plus I still haven't seen anything to suggest that this guy would make a good DC. He's a DB coach. How does that make him a DC? We know the Stoops story, but that doesn't mean every DB coach would make a good DC. I'm just not seeing what T-Rob boosters are seeing.

See Jeremy Pruitt (the guy who led FSU's Defense to a top unit in 2013-2014 and won a NC championship)

How does that answer my question? Robinson is not Pruitt. The question is about Robinson.

Are we assuming that any successful DB coach is going to be a successful DC? Not saying it doesn't happen, I just see no reason to assume a connection. If we were to have an opening at DC, I would hope we could hire a DC with a record to look at.

 

[kennesaw_cane]

Dorito isn't going anywhere with our defense ranked #15 unfortunately.

This, plus I still haven't seen anything to suggest that this guy would make a good DC. He's a DB coach. How does that make him a DC? We know the Stoops story, but that doesn't mean every DB coach would make a good DC. I'm just not seeing what T-Rob boosters are seeing.

I'd rather have Muschamp (not saying it's realistic). I think it's tough to argue that he wouldn't have our defense playing like savages.

Yes he probably would. Problem is the Miami Admin won't allow savages to play here, i.e. EJ, G. Terry, Figs, etc. That is our main problem. FSU and UF will allow thugs on the team without much reprimand in the case of misdemeanors. You even go to a party where they are reefer at UM and your are suspended indefinitely.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Dorito isn't going anywhere with our defense ranked #15 unfortunately.

This, plus I still haven't seen anything to suggest that this guy would make a good DC. He's a DB coach. How does that make him a DC? We know the Stoops story, but that doesn't mean every DB coach would make a good DC. I'm just not seeing what T-Rob boosters are seeing.

I'd rather have Muschamp (not saying it's realistic). I think it's tough to argue that he wouldn't have our defense playing like savages.

Yes he probably would. Problem is the Miami Admin won't allow savages to play here, i.e. EJ, G. Terry, Figs, etc. That is our main problem. FSU and UF will allow thugs on the team without much reprimand in the case of misdemeanors. You even go to a party where they are reefer at UM and your are suspended indefinitely.

Yeap guilty until proven innocent under Shalala watch

 

[GoldenCanesAL]

Honestly who gives two ***** about t-rob he aint worth ****

 

[Rellyrell]

Dorito isn't going anywhere with our defense ranked #15 unfortunately.

This, plus I still haven't seen anything to suggest that this guy would make a good DC. He's a DB coach. How does that make him a DC? We know the Stoops story, but that doesn't mean every DB coach would make a good DC. I'm just not seeing what T-Rob boosters are seeing.

See Jeremy Pruitt (the guy who led FSU's Defense to a top unit in 2013-2014 and won a NC championship)

How does that answer my question? Robinson is not Pruitt. The question is about Robinson.

Are we assuming that any successful DB coach is going to be a successful DC? Not saying it doesn't happen, I just see no reason to assume a connection. If we were to have an opening at DC, I would hope we could hire a DC with a record to look at.

Pls refer back to what you stated. I was referencing another db coach who became a mighty good d-coordinator.

 

[eddostarr]

Any chance temple offers Dorito the head coaching job one day

 

[JerzeyCane5]

Top defense in the country why?

 

[3FW]

The next person who mentions Orgeron needs to leave the board. Guy had never been a DC. I do think Coach D leaves for greener pastures, and my guess is Manny Diaz may be an option.