We all agree this roster has talent at many positions (depth not withstanding) and coming out of high school a lot of these kids were highly regarded. But here is a real question, has time spent with Golden and this staff's loser mentality tainted these kids beyond help? They seem so far away from being the unleashed monsters that they should be that i dont know if a new coach regardless of who it is can come in and win with this roster as currently formatted. Do you think a coach will have to make wholesale changes to the depth chart (ie playing freshman etc) before we can legitimately start making championship runs? I see the quotes coming from some of these kids and you can see Golden's psychobabble BS has worked on them.
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dadecounty25
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I think next coaches will encourage the "me" guys and let them be the leaders they are born to be.
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Unfortunately Golden ripped the dog out of these kids. I think some players can reverse their mentality, but others are doomed.
Hurricane818
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There is talent there without a doubt. The next coach just needs to cut them loose and play the best guys at each position regardless of class.
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Butch Davis would change it real quick. They are confused right now, once a real coach gets them, and a real staff is in place, like Butch says "they will coach the **** out of them"
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I think we have a couple of guys that are potentially difference makers. Njoku is a beast physically, and the next coach will have him for at least two more seasons. Coley has the potential as well, and I expect him to return next year. Cager has potential as well.
On D, Chad and AQM are difference makers, and both will be around next season. Artie is gone, but perhaps Corn returns, and he could be a difference maker.
Of course, Brad is a difference maker as well.
I think we have enough talent on this team for the next coach to be able to win at least 9 games next season.
i think the speed issue is more of a scheme thing than a lack of athleticism...these kids have been taught since they were small "see ball...get ball" now they are a read react type defense and it makes them have to think a 1/2 second longer which makes everything look like its in slow motion.
cleveland cane
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Once these kids are placed in the right system you will see a huge difference. You will see an attacking defense and allow the playmakers such as Grace and other to reach their potential. This read and react crap is not allowing them to use their gifts
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thats because the trainer has got them to heavy. He needs to go too
Gatorhater
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If you never held anything but ***** with implants, what would happen when you felt your first real one? Would you notice the difference? If yes, then when Butch Davis walks into the locker room and all the assistant coaches sphincters snap shut, these kids will be just fine.
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I bet the new coach would have played Dallas Crawford on special teams if had another year of eligibility.
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I finally watched the Clemson tape last night. Chris Spielman did a fantastic job on the commentary. He detected the same thing I did, that the two teams didn't look comparable at all during pregame warmups. Spielman said all the Clemson players "looked the same" and "that's definitely an All-Bus team."
No kidding. I mentioned the same thing here after the game, that all of Clemson's defenders looked interchangeable and athletic, while Miami features a ridiculous mix of odd frames and some athletes, some not so athletic.
Last week on this forum there were assertions from administrators that Miami was light years more talented than Virginia Tech. That's not what I detected at all. It was imbalanced. Some areas with Canes more dynamic but other areas like defensive tackle with huge edge to the Hokies. A week later there's no comparison at all on those rosters yet the administrators say nothing. That is laughable denial, and a slap at the user base. We've got guys like Jenkins and Heurtelou out there yet the personnel isn't a problem at all. Sure. Golden and Co. were A1 in personnel evaluation and F- everywhere else. Makes perfect sense.
It's never as wide as it appears in a game that unfolded that way. A new coach and confidence and energy can chop the gap. But make no mistake, there is a considerable gap. That is the first time in years we faced a legit Top 5 team not named Florida State. We matchup decently with Florida State. I'm glad we got a glimpse of what it would be like if we faced truly premier programs on a regular basis.
When those two teams ran out onto the field I had one immediate thought: I was scared to death of the opening kickoff. It looked like disparity of talent similar to a lopsided high school game. Those high school routs aren't a series of 5 and 8 yard gains. Hardly. They are open spaces galore. The team with superior talent smashes and weaves its way to the end zone regardless of distance. Touchdowns of 50+ yards all the time.
That's what I fully expected if we kicked off. I hated that we chose to defer. Somehow we ended up kicking off into the wind. That was brilliant. I'm not sure it has been mentioned here. The streamers on the uprights may have looked like an easterly wind but upstairs where I was it was blatant that the wind was heading west. Sure enough, the wind and everything else favored Clemson in that first quarter.
Anyway, I was actually happy when our kickoff guy dependably hit it poorly on that opening kickoff. It was seemingly headed left and out of bounds until receiving a favorable bounce and staying in play. That disrupted the Clemson timing and we stopped them shy of the 20. Obviously that was our only kickoff. If it had happened several times I'm convinced they would have taken one the distance, like a high school avalanche.
Spielman emphasized Clemson's "depth of talent" several times. Absolutely. Around here too many posters desperately isolate a handful of names and act as if it represents the roster as a whole. Not close.
During the game on that first Clemson series I noted to nearby spectators that if Watson ever kept the ball around the edge after a fake handoff there would be wide open spaces. It was unbelievable that we weren't prepared for that basic play in their offense. Sure enough, on the second series he did keep it and was off to the races. Until watching the tape last night I didn't notice another aspect of that play. Artie Burns was planted on his *** by the wide receiver. Totally nullified. I realize he's had the worst possible week. My condolences and best wishes go out to him. He's not an elite player. The Clemson stars like Kearse would never be destroyed like that on a basic block from a wide receiver. We'll understand how far we drifted in this era once we have a truly stalwart and deep roster.
No kidding. I mentioned the same thing here after the game, that all of Clemson's defenders looked interchangeable and athletic, while Miami features a ridiculous mix of odd frames and some athletes, some not so athletic.
Last week on this forum there were assertions from administrators that Miami was light years more talented than Virginia Tech. That's not what I detected at all. It was imbalanced. Some areas with Canes more dynamic but other areas like defensive tackle with huge edge to the Hokies. A week later there's no comparison at all on those rosters yet the administrators say nothing. That is laughable denial, and a slap at the user base. We've got guys like Jenkins and Heurtelou out there yet the personnel isn't a problem at all. Sure. Golden and Co. were A1 in personnel evaluation and F- everywhere else. Makes perfect sense.
It's never as wide as it appears in a game that unfolded that way. A new coach and confidence and energy can chop the gap. But make no mistake, there is a considerable gap. That is the first time in years we faced a legit Top 5 team not named Florida State. We matchup decently with Florida State. I'm glad we got a glimpse of what it would be like if we faced truly premier programs on a regular basis.
When those two teams ran out onto the field I had one immediate thought: I was scared to death of the opening kickoff. It looked like disparity of talent similar to a lopsided high school game. Those high school routs aren't a series of 5 and 8 yard gains. Hardly. They are open spaces galore. The team with superior talent smashes and weaves its way to the end zone regardless of distance. Touchdowns of 50+ yards all the time.
That's what I fully expected if we kicked off. I hated that we chose to defer. Somehow we ended up kicking off into the wind. That was brilliant. I'm not sure it has been mentioned here. The streamers on the uprights may have looked like an easterly wind but upstairs where I was it was blatant that the wind was heading west. Sure enough, the wind and everything else favored Clemson in that first quarter.
Anyway, I was actually happy when our kickoff guy dependably hit it poorly on that opening kickoff. It was seemingly headed left and out of bounds until receiving a favorable bounce and staying in play. That disrupted the Clemson timing and we stopped them shy of the 20. Obviously that was our only kickoff. If it had happened several times I'm convinced they would have taken one the distance, like a high school avalanche.
Spielman emphasized Clemson's "depth of talent" several times. Absolutely. Around here too many posters desperately isolate a handful of names and act as if it represents the roster as a whole. Not close.
During the game on that first Clemson series I noted to nearby spectators that if Watson ever kept the ball around the edge after a fake handoff there would be wide open spaces. It was unbelievable that we weren't prepared for that basic play in their offense. Sure enough, on the second series he did keep it and was off to the races. Until watching the tape last night I didn't notice another aspect of that play. Artie Burns was planted on his *** by the wide receiver. Totally nullified. I realize he's had the worst possible week. My condolences and best wishes go out to him. He's not an elite player. The Clemson stars like Kearse would never be destroyed like that on a basic block from a wide receiver. We'll understand how far we drifted in this era once we have a truly stalwart and deep roster.
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I wouldn't say wholesale changes. More like retail. Next coach(es) can get the most out of the guys we already have. Change the culture, put them in positions to excel. The next coach has to recruit better, develop talent better. I think this is where Butch just blows everyone else out of the water. He's not just good at it, he's great at it. And it's not just the kids, look at the coaches that have come along under him. He can put a staff together.