R.I.P. Connie Nickel

UM does not recognize him for this. He just keeps claiming credit for it.

I was there too. He and Val were the two male cheerleaders, so they were the ones most closely associated with it. And Val is no longer with us.
First of all... I'm don't "keep claiming credit for it...." The author of the article interviewed Connie Nickel herself which is why it was trusted information to print. I didn't even know about it until she told me and Danny Reynolds (the cheer coach from 1990 until the 2000's). The people in charge at the time cited me. I didn't seek it out. Val (god rest his soul - he was the best and one of the reasons I tried out for the squad) was the biggest and most passionate UM cheer alum...and he loved and supported throwing up the U...but he would never take credit for it. Val didn't even cheer for Connie. She was hired after he and the squad that year graduated.
 
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First of all... I'm don't "keep claiming credit for it...." The author of the article interviewed Connie Nickel herself which is why it was trusted information to print. I didn't even know about it until she told me and Danny Reynolds (the cheer coach from 1990 until the 2000's). The people in charge at the time cited me. I didn't seek it out. Val (god rest his soul - he was the best and one of the reasons I tried out for the squad) was the biggest and most passionate UM cheer alum...and he loved and supported throwing up the U...but he would never take credit for it. Val didn't even cheer for Connie. She was hired after he and the squad that year graduated.
what would you say was cooler: creating the U or looking up cheerleader skirts?
 
First of all... I'm don't "keep claiming credit for it...." The author of the article interviewed Connie Nickel herself which is why it was trusted information to print. I didn't even know about it until she told me and Danny Reynolds (the cheer coach from 1990 until the 2000's). The people in charge at the time cited me. I didn't seek it out. Val (god rest his soul - he was the best and one of the reasons I tried out for the squad) was the biggest and most passionate UM cheer alum...and he loved and supported throwing up the U...but he would never take credit for it. Val didn't even cheer for Connie. She was hired after he and the squad that year graduated.


It's all good, Bill. I'll respect your account of how you were credited with this whole thing, if you can respect the fact that those of us who were around when Michael Irvin was playing have been mightily confused by this whole issue for decades.

To paraphrase Jay Z, I'll give you credit for making it a hot song. Tad complained about the middle-finger chop and the FU Seminoles warchant, and things got delegated. It's a beautiful thing that you and the crew implemented, even though I still prefer the middle-finger chop.

If I offended you with my take on the growth of the creation myth, I will take responsibility for phrasing it stronger than I truly intend it. These things are complex. I can credit an F$U fan for holding up 4 fingers in the 1970s while still pointing out that UM is the school that attached meaning and significance to it.
 
Yessss....the Athletic Director communicated the complaint that was initiated by Tad Foote.

So what year are you claiming this all started?
Ok Matlock... Bourbon St 1989 Sugar Bowl.. a 9yo Bama fan sees us dressed in our Nike issued sweats greating the crowds and says...."he y'all... if the Gators have the chomp, and the Noles have the Chop, what do you guy have..." We didn't have an answer except throw up a #1. Then the 1990 FSU game at the OB was the tipping point for the administration about the profanity from the students at the OB... it was also around the same time the pep band stopped playing "Yo Momma"...do you remember that one? So I came to practice and pitched the idea...some loved it, some hated it, some thought it was a UF/FSU rip off... so we tabled it. We as a squad started throwing it at the 1990 Cotton Bowl (we all had on receivers gloves because it was freezing. A few of us threw up the U - no band and I have a pic of us doing it. 1991 season I got the Imperial March idea from Arkansas who played it when we kicked their *** in Little Rock. I put both together along with the 3rd down idea to Connie and by the 1992 FSU game...it was formally introduced with the band on 3rd downs to the imperial march...fully endorsed by the Athletic Dept.

Is that enough detail for you Kathy Bates?
 
It's all good, Bill. I'll respect your account of how you were credited with this whole thing, if you can respect the fact that those of us who were around when Michael Irvin was playing have been mightily confused by this whole issue for decades.

To paraphrase Jay Z, I'll give you credit for making it a hot song. Tad complained about the middle-finger chop and the FU Seminoles warchant, and things got delegated. It's a beautiful thing that you and the crew implemented, even though I still prefer the middle-finger chop.

If I offended you with my take on the growth of the creation myth, I will take responsibility for phrasing it stronger than I truly intend it. These things are complex. I can credit an F$U fan for holding up 4 fingers in the 1970s while still pointing out that UM is the school that attached meaning and significance to it.
We're all fam...with the occasional beef. Its all good. The truth is I never sought recognition and when asked always credit the teams of people that made it a thing and time honored tradition. The article came out something like 20 years after I graduated. I was living on the West Coast and only heard of it after the fact. That said, this season's home slate of ND and UF at the Rock is gonna be sick and our $40M NIL budget is no joke. If I see you, let's drink a shot to us old guys keeping the fire of the 80s & 90's burning.
 
Another thread off the rails.

RIP to Connie Nickel. Tough lady, and definitely a ‘Cane through and through.
 
We're all fam...with the occasional beef. It’s all good. The truth is I never sought recognition and when asked always credit the teams of people that made it a thing and time honored tradition. The article came out something like 20 years after I graduated. I was living on the West Coast and only heard of it after the fact. That said, this season's home slate of ND and UF at the Rock is gonna be sick and our $40M NIL budget is no joke. If I see you, let's drink a shot to us old guys keeping the fire of the 80s & 90's burning.
You guys should drink a shot and do the U together then post the photo here
 
Taking a thread off the rails is CIS’s highest sign of respect

word.

taking a tribute to the great connie nickel, an obituary no less, and turning it into a pi$$ing contest over an issue that means less than dirt, is quintessential CIS.

tell me this is canesinsight, without telling me it's canesinsight.

SMFH 🤦‍♂️
 
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Ok Matlock... Bourbon St 1989 Sugar Bowl.. a 9yo Bama fan sees us dressed in our Nike issued sweats greating the crowds and says...."he y'all... if the Gators have the chomp, and the Noles have the Chop, what do you guy have..." We didn't have an answer except throw up a #1. Then the 1990 FSU game at the OB was the tipping point for the administration about the profanity from the students at the OB... it was also around the same time the pep band stopped playing "Yo Momma"...do you remember that one? So I came to practice and pitched the idea...some loved it, some hated it, some thought it was a UF/FSU rip off... so we tabled it. We as a squad started throwing it at the 1990 Cotton Bowl (we all had on receivers gloves because it was freezing. A few of us threw up the U - no band and I have a pic of us doing it. 1991 season I got the Imperial March idea from Arkansas who played it when we kicked their *** in Little Rock. I put both together along with the 3rd down idea to Connie and by the 1992 FSU game...it was formally introduced with the band on 3rd downs to the imperial march...fully endorsed by the Athletic Dept.

Is that enough detail for you Kathy Bates?



Let me get this all straight.

First, you bring up the 1989 Sugar Bowl...why, I have no idea, but that's fine. I was just happy to buy the "**** Alabama" buttons on Bourbon Street.

Next, you DO acknowledge my long-time assertion that Tad Foote ("the administration") had an issue with student profanity and displays of the middle finger. How do I know that? Because Tad Foote had approached Student Government to complain and was asking our assistance to improve the behavior (even though two prior USBG presidents had been arrested at football games, in Joe Garcia and Bill Barzee).

Earlier, you claimed that it was Sam Jankovich as the driving force, so I'm glad you clarified the timeline, as Sam was interviewing for the New England Patriots job during the 1990 season and was no longer interested in dealing with UM student-section problems. It was Tad Foote, not Sam Jankovich, as I correctly said.

As for "Hey, Your Mama", of course I remember that. As I've stated, my roommate was in the Band of the Hour, so I knew the entire routine. And I won't question your 1991 Arkansas inspiration, I just know the Band of the Hour had played that song previously, as my roommate had already graduated by 1991.

I get it, you're upset about the original call-out. I can take responsibility for that, so long as you understand why people who were there before you were....are confused at how you got credit for things we did years earlier. Minor quibbles. But I'm also understanding and generous, so I'll give you credit for putting it all together. As I've said, traditions require repetition, and throwing up The U while playing the Imperial March is something that benefited from repetition, no matter when it all began.

Thank you for confirming what I've said for years, that Foote was ****ed off at the profanity of the student section and wanted us to do "something else" with our hands. Whether Foote's complaints motivated you personally, I have no idea, but you are indicating that the whole thing was a multi-year evolution among many people, so I won't single you out any longer. Honestly and sincerely, my apologies for the call-out.
 
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We're all fam...with the occasional beef. Its all good. The truth is I never sought recognition and when asked always credit the teams of people that made it a thing and time honored tradition. The article came out something like 20 years after I graduated. I was living on the West Coast and only heard of it after the fact. That said, this season's home slate of ND and UF at the Rock is gonna be sick and our $40M NIL budget is no joke. If I see you, let's drink a shot to us old guys keeping the fire of the 80s & 90's burning.


Fair enough. As I said, I will give you full credit for being a creative and passionate voice during the creation of this amazing tradition.

Gooooo Canes!
 
You guys should drink a shot and do the U together then post the photo here


Would be happy to do so. Bill and I can each form half of The U with our hands.

Misunderstandings arise. I'm happy to talk it out. Bill's a good guy, and it is good to know that he didn't try to claim credit in The Hurricane article. Believe me, I know how The Miami Hurricane articles can go off the rails, like when Dan LeBatard printed Lou Holtz's home phone number. MULTIPLE TIMES. He got suspended for that one.
 
My memory of Connie was showing up to Sebastian auditions and she was one of the judges. That whole group of people was really invested in all of the small, behind the scenes stuff that made the athletic department go. I didn't make the cut because they said they couldn't have someone my height running around in a bird costume scaring small children, but it was a really fun experience and she clearly took a lot of joy and pride in the process.
 
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My memory of Connie was showing up to Sebastian auditions and she was one of the judges. That whole group of people was really invested in all of the small, behind the scenes stuff that made the athletic department go. I didn't make the cut because they said they couldn't have someone my height running around in a bird costume scaring small children, but it was a really fun experience and she clearly took a lot of joy and pride in the process.


Really? How tall are you? After John Routh became Billy the Marlin, my friend Ira was one of the first students to do Sebastian and he was pretty tall.
 
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