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Question for the oldtimers re a former coach

canesdogo said:
Seen old pics of that old dude....................isn't he the one with the newspaper in hand, smacking it back and forth on the sidelines?........
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Yep. He was a highly regarded assistant at UM. See my post about developing Fran Curci into an A-A. I remember him and I remember that team.
 
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SpikeUM said:
My condolences to you and thank you for the info.
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Daytona,

I posted in another thread about that '59 team. I found a scanned '59 FSU-UM game program somewhere. The FSU staff also had future UM assistant Ken Shipp. Yes, it listed Doug as starting fullback and Jim Otto as starting center.

I remember that Stram was highly regarded as an offensive coach.

I can't remember if a couple of guys I met in the late '80's in the DC/MD/VA area were on the same team: Bill Watts and Vic Savoca. I haven't seen it talked to them since the late '80's. I think Vic might have passed away. I don't know anything more about Watts.

Bill Diamond started on the OL. Charley was already done. Bill Miller was a backup. He became a consensus A-A a few years later.

I'll try to find that other thread and a link to the game program.
 
TheU 4ever said:
FG by Garo Yepremian! Watched the game on TV with my brother and parents. I considered it, if not the greatest, at least one of the top three games in Miami Dolphins history. Everyone in Miami was watching the game, as the Miami streets were completely void of traffic.
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We went to MIA for the teams return flight. It was packed inside and people were handing from everything outside. I was able to shank Griese’s hand and he grimamged when I did. He hurt his shoulder in the game and nobody new it. That save me money on the Super Bowl. Didn’t bet on Dallas, I just didn’t bet the game. Back in those days you could actually get close to players.
 
Going to drop some small college bowl history on you that includes Coach Hank Stram, who was a Canes Asst.

Stram was the speaker at the Boot Hill Bowl in Dodge City, Kansas when I played in it, in 1975. His Chief's had won Super Bowl IV, and he was a great speaker, had both teams in stitches with funny stories. Two years earlier we played in the Mineral Water Bowl (Excelsior Springs, MO.) Stram let our 1973 team tour the KC Chiefs locker room just before they were going out to practice.

We were shocked at all the cartons of cigarettes in the lockers. CB Nate Allen must have seen us pointing them out. He was sitting in front of his locker puffing on one, pulled it out of his mouth, blew smoke at us, showed us the cigarette and said, "This is training rules boys!" He got a kick out of that and started chatting us up. We saw Willie Lanier, Bobby Bell and Jim Lynch, Buck Buchanan and Curly Culp coming out of a meeting laughing and fooling around just like we did. It was pretty cool.

So while I grew up as a Packers fan, I always like Hank Stram after that, he was a great speaker. And I loved the Chief's stadium, saw Carlos Santana Gary Wright and Peter Frampton there in the summer of 76. Santana made the place explode. Now you guys laugh at those Podunk bowl games, but I swear during the down Miami years, they had more people in the stands than some of our Canes games did.
 
Silver King said:
Going to drop some small college bowl history on you that includes Coach Hank Stram, who was a Canes Asst.

Stram was the speaker at the Boot Hill Bowl in Dodge City, Kansas when I played in it, in 1975. His Chief's had won Super Bowl IV, and he was a great speaker, had both teams in stitches with funny stories. Two years earlier we played in the Mineral Water Bowl (Excelsior Springs, MO.) Stram let our 1973 team tour the KC Chiefs locker room just before they were going out to practice.

We were shocked at all the cartons of cigarettes in the lockers. CB Nate Allen must have seen us pointing them out. He was sitting in front of his locker puffing on one, pulled it out of his mouth, blew smoke at us, showed us the cigarette and said, "This is training rules boys!" He got a kick out of that and started chatting us up. We saw Willie Lanier, Bobby Bell and Jim Lynch, Buck Buchanan and Curly Culp coming out of a meeting laughing and fooling around just like we did. It was pretty cool.

So while I grew up as a Packers fan, I always like Hank Stram after that, he was a great speaker. And I loved the Chief's stadium, saw Carlos Santana Gary Wright and Peter Frampton there in the summer of 76. Santana made the place explode. Now you guys laugh at those Podunk bowl games, but I swear during the down Miami years, they had more people in the stands than some of our Canes games did.
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Athletes used to smoke like crazy.

Went to an old Miami Marlins game in the late 50's, I believe. Those old Marlins played in Miami Stadium and were a Triple A team in the International League.

I was sitting next to the Marlins dugout and Satchel Paige came off the mound after retiring the side. He came into the dugout, cracked a joke that made a bunch of the other players laugh. He did this while pulling a pack of cigarettes out of his uniform pants pocket and lit up. In the dugout.

Satch, for those of you young people who are so ill-informed about history, was considered by many to be the greatest pitcher of all time. Of course, nobody knew who he was, because he spent so much time in the ***** Leagues. He was an old man by the time MLB was integrated. When he played for the Marlins, he could have easily been in his sixties.

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I recall going to a spring practice scrimmage in, I think, '63. That was The Matador's senior year and was being billed as Coach Gus' Dream Team because of the addition of the great sophomores Russ Smith and Pete Banaszak. (Remember, freshmen back then we're not eligible for varsity play).

After the scrimmage, we walked over to the baseball field to watch a game. As I remember, there were no stands, everybody just stood and watched.

I spotted our stud RB, Nick Ryder, standing inside of the fence with a group of guys, and he was smoking. Nick had finished up his eligibility and was headed to the Detroit Lions.

Young people used to smoke cigarettes a lot back then, and I began to hear that the common wisdom of the day was that you should only discontinue smoking during the season. It was deemed OK to smoke the rest of the year.

Of course, the common wisdom I sometimes heard from coaches back then was to be wary of weights--you might become too muscular, i.e., muscle bound. Some coaches advocated isometrics instead of weights. Where has that idea gone?

In the mid-70's, as the Dolphins began to decline, I remember an interview with Dolphins DE Vern den Herder outside a locker room. He was described as smoking during the interview.

Now I don't know anything about the practice of vaping or other contemporary practices, but I know the attitudes about cigarettes and tobacco in the '50's through the '70's we're too permissive and poorly informed at least as far as athletes went.
 
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Silver King said:
Going to drop some small college bowl history on you that includes Coach Hank Stram, who was a Canes Asst.

Stram was the speaker at the Boot Hill Bowl in Dodge City, Kansas when I played in it, in 1975. His Chief's had won Super Bowl IV, and he was a great speaker, had both teams in stitches with funny stories. Two years earlier we played in the Mineral Water Bowl (Excelsior Springs, MO.) Stram let our 1973 team tour the KC Chiefs locker room just before they were going out to practice.

We were shocked at all the cartons of cigarettes in the lockers. CB Nate Allen must have seen us pointing them out. He was sitting in front of his locker puffing on one, pulled it out of his mouth, blew smoke at us, showed us the cigarette and said, "This is training rules boys!" He got a kick out of that and started chatting us up. We saw Willie Lanier, Bobby Bell and Jim Lynch, Buck Buchanan and Curly Culp coming out of a meeting laughing and fooling around just like we did. It was pretty cool.

So while I grew up as a Packers fan, I always like Hank Stram after that, he was a great speaker. And I loved the Chief's stadium, saw Carlos Santana Gary Wright and Peter Frampton there in the summer of 76. Santana made the place explode. Now you guys laugh at those Podunk bowl games, but I swear during the down Miami years, they had more people in the stands than some of our Canes games did.
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Good stuff! Thanks for sharing!!
 
Gatorhater said:
We went to MIA for the teams return flight. It was packed inside and people were handing from everything outside. I was able to shank Griese’s hand and he grimamged when I did. He hurt his shoulder in the game and nobody new it. That save me money on the Super Bowl. Didn’t bet on Dallas, I just didn’t bet the game. Back in those days you could actually get close to players.
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Thanks for sharing!!
 
TheMatador said:
Athletes used to smoke like crazy.

Went to an old Miami Marlins game in the late 50's, I believe. Those old Marlins played in Miami Stadium and were a Triple A team in the International League.

I was sitting next to the Marlins dugout and Satchel Paige came off the mound after retiring the side. He came into the dugout, cracked a joke that made a bunch of the other players laugh. He did this while pulling a pack of cigarettes out of his uniform pants pocket and lit up. In the dugout.

Satch, for those of you young people who are so ill-informed about history, was considered by many to be the greatest pitcher of all time. Of course, nobody knew who he was, because he spent so much time in the ***** Leagues. He was an old man by the time MLB was integrated. When he played for the Marlins, he could have easily been in his sixties.

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I recall going to a spring practice scrimmage in, I think, '63. That was The Matador's senior year and was being billed as Coach Gus' Dream Team because of the addition of the great sophomores Russ Smith and Pete Banaszak. (Remember, freshmen back then we're not eligible for varsity play).

After the scrimmage, we walked over to the baseball field to watch a game. As I remember, there were no stands, everybody just stood and watched.

I spotted our stud RB, Nick Ryder, standing inside of the fence with a group of guys, and he was smoking. Nick had finished up his eligibility and was headed to the Detroit Lions.

Young people used to smoke cigarettes a lot back then, and I began to hear that the common wisdom of the day was that you should only discontinue smoking during the season. It was deemed OK to smoke the rest of the year.

Of course, the common wisdom I sometimes heard from coaches back then was to be wary of weights--you might become too muscular, i.e., muscle bound. Some coaches advocated isometrics instead of weights. Where has that idea gone?

In the mid-70's, as the Dolphins began to decline, I remember an interview with Dolphins DE Vern den Herder outside a locker room. He was described as smoking during the interview.

Now I don't know anything about the practice of vaping or other contemporary practices, but I know the attitudes about cigarettes and tobacco in the '50's through the '70's we're too permissive and poorly informed at least as far as athletes went.
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Back when I was running the owner of the Detroit Tigers yacht - 1988 Old Timers Game at Tiger Stadium, me and Virgil "The Fireman" Trucks aka The Yankee Killer (He returned home from WWII to pitch in two games n the 1945 World Series when the Tigers won. Virgil retired to SW Fl with a bunch of older players including Pee Wee Reese). But, look at Mickey Lolich ('68 Tigers) smoking in the dugout.

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Gatorhater said:
If we ever go back to our old stretch play, that Zonk counter would be great play off a fake of the pitch.
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Just watched some old Dolphin highlights a few days ago. Csonka was so slow by today's standards. Still he would pick up chunks of yardage because he was so powerful.
 
TheMatador said:
Just watched some old Dolphin highlights a few days ago. Csonka was so slow by today's standards. Still he would pick up chunks of yardage because he was so powerful.
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He was slow by standards back then too but what a beast. Ran leaning forward, got his huge forearms under tacklers and popped them up like a upper cut. Only running back I ever saw called form unnescessary roughness against a defender.

I still have a game jersey from him. Before they went to first Super Bowl, use to be able to stand next to him and Kiick at practice at Biscayne College. I use to go to daily Mass with Shula so got some privileges. Being Fin fan back then was great.
 
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