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assuming this monstrosity goes into effect. What’s the timeframe? Obviously not this season but maybe 2027? 28? I am hoping espn and the sec are powerful enough to block it.
 
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I think it's F*tarded and greedy AF........ unless they are getting rid of all Conference championship games andddd 1-2 regular season games.. the brutal run teams would have to make is malpractice for a game like football.... IMO

even after our glorious run, when you think of it, it was brutal as ****.... A&M / OSU / Ole Miss / then Championship.... after a full season??? even that was insane to me.
 
Cane44 said:
I think it's F*tarded and greedy AF........ unless they are getting rid of all Conference championship games andddd 1-2 regular season games.. the brutal run teams would have to make is malpractice for a game like football.... IMO

even after our glorious run, when you think of it, it was brutal as ****.... A&M / OSU / Ole Miss / then Championship.... after a full season??? even that was insane to me.
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Well we’d need to move start of season across the board to week 0. Remove conference champ games and make that week Play-In week of teams 9-24. Then give a bye. Then start the remaining 16team playoff. The play in game then 4 weeks of playoff. That should encompass 6 total weeks start to finish (with a bye). We have 12 games regular season plus a Bye. So total that is 19 total weeks. 20 weeks if we want to add another bye or spread out the playoff a tiny bit. If we begin week of Sat 8/29 which is current week 0. 20 weeks would end Sat 1/16/27… current national title game is scheduled 1/19… so we can still fit it all in, and even add in byes for most teams… and again that’s if we spread it to 20 weeks even with a 24 team playoff….

Not saying I like that. I’d far more prefer a 20 team max or 16 team playoff… or just stick with the 12 we have and pick the teams more logically…. But that’s not happening.
 
Can someone explain why the ACC, Bg12 and BIG favor the 24-team playoff and why the SEC and ESPN are against it?
What are the dynamics?
 
I mean fucc it, copy the basketball model. I'm not talking no old school 64 team model. I'm talking full bore new school 76 team model. Let errrrrryone get them participayshun trofees.

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Applecane said:
Can someone explain why the ACC, Bg12 and BIG favor the 24-team playoff and why the SEC and ESPN are against it?
What are the dynamics?
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ESPN currently owns the media rights to the CFP. Expansion beyond 16 teams triggers a clause to renegotiate those media rights.

The B1G is backed by FOX who obviously has an interest in bidding on the rights to CFP games should expansion occur.

The Big XII and ACC need access. They are weaker leagues and it’s going to be really hard to get 2 bids consistently in a 12 team format.
 
Thoughtsoncanes said:
assuming this monstrosity goes into effect. What’s the timeframe? Obviously not this season but maybe 2027? 28? I am hoping espn and the sec are powerful enough to block it.
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Why is it a monstrosity?

The NFL has 32 teams and 14 make the 4-round playoffs. That means 43.75% of the teams make the playoffs.

There are 138 Division I-A (FBS) teams and 12 make the 4-round playoffs . With the same playoff participation percentage as the NFL, 60 college football teams would make the playoffs.

Same sport.

"Monstrosity"? Really? How about we stop overreacting.

A 16 team CFP field would be an 11.6% participation rate.

A 24 team CFP field would be a 17.4% participation rate. It would be a 5-round playoff, but without the conference championship games.

MLB - 12 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 40% participation rate.
NBA - 20 teams out of 30 make the playoffs (including play-in tournament), for a 66.7% participation rate.
NHL - 16 teams out of 32 make the playoffs, for a 50% participation rate.
MLS - 18 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 60% participation rate.

Let's try to keep things in perspective, here.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Why is it a monstrosity?

The NFL has 32 teams and 14 make the 4-round playoffs. That means 43.75% of the teams make the playoffs.

There are 138 Division I-A (FBS) teams and 12 make the 4-round playoffs . With the same playoff participation percentage as the NFL, 60 college football teams would make the playoffs.

Same sport.

"Monstrosity"? Really? How about we stop overreacting.

A 16 team CFP field would be an 11.6% participation rate.

A 24 team CFP field would be a 17.4% participation rate. It would be a 5-round playoff, but without the conference championship games.

MLB - 12 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 40% participation rate.
NBA - 20 teams out of 30 make the playoffs (including play-in tournament), for a 66.7% participation rate.
NHL - 16 teams out of 32 make the playoffs, for a 50% participation rate.
MLS - 18 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 60% participation rate.

Let's try to keep things in perspective, here.
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I agree the "monstrosity" reaction is overblown, but these cross-sport comparisons obscure the one thing that makes college football structurally different from every league on that list. Every NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and MLS team plays a largely common schedule against the same pool of opponents. A 40-win NBA team and a 50-win NBA team have both been tested by the same competition. College football doesn't really have that. A 10-2 G5 champion and a 10-2 SEC or BIG or even ACC team have not been measured on anything close to the same standard. Strength of schedule varies so much across 138 teams that comparing participation rates to the NFL includes teams whose entire body of work is structurally incomparable to the programs at the top.

The 12-team field is, IMO, defensible because it still preserves most of the regular season's weight. At 24 teams, mediocre regular seasons become survivable, which weakens the stakes of each game. The champion will still very likely come from the same 8-10 programs it always has, so you're not adding legitimacy or genuine competition at the top. I feel like the 24-team playoff just adds rounds while slowly converting college football's most beautiful feature into something that looks like every other sport.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Why is it a monstrosity?

The NFL has 32 teams and 14 make the 4-round playoffs. That means 43.75% of the teams make the playoffs.

There are 138 Division I-A (FBS) teams and 12 make the 4-round playoffs . With the same playoff participation percentage as the NFL, 60 college football teams would make the playoffs.

Same sport.

"Monstrosity"? Really? How about we stop overreacting.

A 16 team CFP field would be an 11.6% participation rate.

A 24 team CFP field would be a 17.4% participation rate. It would be a 5-round playoff, but without the conference championship games.

MLB - 12 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 40% participation rate.
NBA - 20 teams out of 30 make the playoffs (including play-in tournament), for a 66.7% participation rate.
NHL - 16 teams out of 32 make the playoffs, for a 50% participation rate.
MLS - 18 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 60% participation rate.

Let's try to keep things in perspective, here.
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maybe he meant the amount of games is a bit much for football... we're looking at what 12regular season and 4-6 playoffs depending on where you fall in ranking.... 16-18games...
 
it's stupid just like expanding basketball to 70 something teams or play ins in NBA. just give everyone a playoff seed and have no regular season. I mean there are consequences to losing. I like a playoff in CFB because we have gotten screwed alot in the past but 24 is a joke.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Thoughtsoncanes said:
assuming this monstrosity goes into effect. What’s the timeframe? Obviously not this season but maybe 2027? 28? I am hoping espn and the sec are powerful enough to block it.
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Why is it a monstrosity?

The NFL has 32 teams and 14 make the 4-round playoffs. That means 43.75% of the teams make the playoffs.

There are 138 Division I-A (FBS) teams and 12 make the 4-round playoffs . With the same playoff participation percentage as the NFL, 60 college football teams would make the playoffs.

Same sport.

"Monstrosity"? Really? How about we stop overreacting.

A 16 team CFP field would be an 11.6% participation rate.

A 24 team CFP field would be a 17.4% participation rate. It would be a 5-round playoff, but without the conference championship games.

MLB - 12 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 40% participation rate.
NBA - 20 teams out of 30 make the playoffs (including play-in tournament), for a 66.7% participation rate.
NHL - 16 teams out of 32 make the playoffs, for a 50% participation rate.
MLS - 18 teams out of 30 make the playoffs, for a 60% participation rate.

Let's try to keep things in perspective, here.
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And may I add that the FCS who’s also division 1 college football has 128 teams and a 24 team playoff. They have a well oiled machine going for well over a decade.
 
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Honestly, its no longer a playoff @ 24 teams. Its just a way to create non-conference games that have meaning at the end of the year, rather than at the beginning of the year.

I do think 24 is too large, 14-16 is probably the sweet spot. But all of this is about money. Those games generate lots of dollars so ultimately thats the driver behind expanding it so large.
 
I think people's major problem with all this is there is no master plan about how to structure college football. It's all being done piecemeal with no bigger picture in mind.

I've never seen a bigger cluster in my life than the current state of college football. If you really stop and think about it, it's hard to fathom that a sport this big is so dysfunctional.

24 is too big, it's too small, there's absolutely no way to know because there's no rational behind why they're doing it, other than money.
 
Math. It's simple math.

Week One Playoffs - 16 teams in playoffs.
Week Two Playoffs - 8 teams in playoffs.
Week Three Playoffs - 4 teams in playoffs
Week Four - National Championship.

16 teams times 2 would accommodate 32 teams - and only add one additional week.
But there's no real good reason for that.

When you get outside the math and throw in extras - that's just mess.

Just tell Notre Dame to tighten up - or GTFO. Whining little b***ches.
 
dccane06 said:
I agree the "monstrosity" reaction is overblown, but these cross-sport comparisons obscure the one thing that makes college football structurally different from every league on that list. Every NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and MLS team plays a largely common schedule against the same pool of opponents. A 40-win NBA team and a 50-win NBA team have both been tested by the same competition. College football doesn't really have that. A 10-2 G5 champion and a 10-2 SEC or BIG or even ACC team have not been measured on anything close to the same standard. Strength of schedule varies so much across 138 teams that comparing participation rates to the NFL includes teams whose entire body of work is structurally incomparable to the programs at the top.

The 12-team field is, IMO, defensible because it still preserves most of the regular season's weight. At 24 teams, mediocre regular seasons become survivable, which weakens the stakes of each game. The champion will still very likely come from the same 8-10 programs it always has, so you're not adding legitimacy or genuine competition at the top. I feel like the 24-team playoff just adds rounds while slowly converting college football's most beautiful feature into something that looks like every other sport.
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Ah, yes, yet another "college football is magical because every game matters" response. And nothing personal, but that entire mindset is just crap.

First, it flies in the face of reality. People actually tune into the CFP games. They do, while the ratings and interest for "bowl games" has been dropping steadily over the years. While you can bemoan some of the CFP matchups as the size of the field increases, the CFP games are STILL better games than the other bowl games, which have ZERO stakes. Even a "lesser" CFP game pairing involves more motivation and passion than any of the bowl games, simply because CFP games are ELIMINATION games and the winners MIGHT win the championship.

As for the "common schedule" stuff, you give yourself away here. Yes, when conference can schedule 75% of their games internally, and the "quality OOC game" is nearly dead. This is EXACTLY when you need larger playoffs, because of the lack of non-conference competition.

On the issue of "mediocre regular season", that's just a bunch of bull****. Last year's final CFP poll had ONE team that had 4 losses (Iowa at #23). Every other team in the Top 25 had 3 losses or fewer. That is not "mediocre", particularly when you have teams that make the playoffs in professional leagues that have LOSING records. And all the "common opponents" in the world doesn't transform a sub-.500 team into some sort of a worthy team.

And when you chirp about "the same 8-10 programs as always, feel free to ask Indiana how they feel about that statement.

A 24-team playoff will add ONE more round, while eliminating the "round" that involved conference championship games. So, you know, a WASH. But with the creation of more MEANINGFUL games and the ongoing death of bowl game "participation trophies".
 
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