Quarterback Offer Breakdown: Taisun Phommachanh

[Calinative]

No, it’s not. If Richt Jr. knows Tai could possibly commit on the spot, and he’s not your #1 target you essentially reconfigure your QB Board with the offer. And is it any better than offering but not accepting a possible commitment? Then the offer isn’t really an offer in the first place.


If MJ Jr. is the #1 guy, which he clearly is, you don’t ruin all of the work you have put in by offering someone else and taking their commitment.

yes a non commitable offer IS better than a no offer. It puts exact conditions on what would make you a take and the timing of when the commitment can be accepted. And it keeps up the recruitment on him. Why is this so complicated. Literally all you have to say is we are offering you, but before we accept a commitment from you, we want to see you live at Paradise Camp. That buys you 3 ******* months, and if MJJr hasn't committed by then its time to **** or get off the pot with a dude 3k miles away whos dad is on the local P5 staff. We shouldn't be waiting until the fall to see what MJjr is doing.

 

[Firesite]

yes a non commitable offer IS better than a non-commitable offer. It puts exact conditions on what would make you a take and the timing of when the commitment can be accepted. And it keeps up the recruitment on him. Why is this so complicated. Literally all you have to say is we are offering you, but before we accept a commitment from you, we want to see you live at Paradise Camp. That buys you 3 ******* months, and if MJJr hasn't committed by then its time to **** or get off the pot with a dude 3k miles away whos dad is on the local P5 staff. We shouldn't be waiting until the fall to see what MJjr is doing.

Preach!

 

[Calinative]

I think this just confirms what everyone knew - MJjr is an elite athlete, but right now Taisun is a better passer.

Good ****. I still don't get why we'd be going for Graham Mertz, Sam Howell, or Spencer Rattler over either of these 2. I just am not seeing why we'd go for pro-style QBs given everything we want to do with this offense.

How MJjr and Taisun aren't at the top of our board, IDK.

 

[CANEMC]

I see you, Roman. Keep puttin in that work!

 

[righty]

yes a non commitable offer IS better than a non-commitable offer. It puts exact conditions on what would make you a take and the timing of when the commitment can be accepted. And it keeps up the recruitment on him. Why is this so complicated. Literally all you have to say is we are offering you, but before we accept a commitment from you, we want to see you live at Paradise Camp. That buys you 3 ******* months, and if MJJr hasn't committed by then its time to **** or get off the pot with a dude 3k miles away whos dad is on the local P5 staff. We shouldn't be waiting until the fall to see what MJjr is doing.

And I’m going to disagree (I do appreciate your argument, though (particularly since it’s better than “omg we should offer Tai this is so stupid Richt is stupid”)). I personally don’t see the value or appreciation in a non-commitable offer. You can express the same reasonings (you’re not as high on our board, we want to see what you do at Paradise, etc.) without “offering”. Now do I agree with the “supposed” logic of Richt Jr. telling Tai to get his offers up then Miami will offer? No, but I won’t disagree with their reasonings of not offering if it means they are waiting on MJ Jr. instead. Why ruin your clear #1 by offering and accepting a commitment from someone else.

Plus, who says Tai wouldn’t be more put off by an “offer” that he can’t commit on, compared to what’s happening right now? We don’t, and everything is pure speculation.

 

[Calinative]

And I’m going to disagree (I do appreciate your argument, though (particularly since it’s better than “omg we should offer Tai this is so stupid Richt is stupid”)). I personally don’t see the value or appreciation in a non-commitable offer. You can express the same reasonings (you’re not as high on our board, we want to see what you do at Paradise, etc.) without “offering”. Now do I agree with the “supposed” logic of Richt Jr. telling Tai to get his offers up then Miami will offer? No, but I won’t disagree with their reasonings of not offering if it means they are waiting on MJ Jr. instead. Why ruin your clear #1 by offering and accepting a commitment from someone else.

Plus, who says Tai wouldn’t be more put off by an “offer” that he can’t commit on, compared to what’s happening right now? We don’t, and everything is pure speculation.

You would have a point about "not ruining your clear #1 by offering and accepting a commitment from someone else" except
1. we HAVE offering other players (not enough imo) and
2. a non-commitable offer would prevent Taisun from committing.

Imagine this scenario - we dont offer anyone else. We have MJjr at the very top of our board for the last few months. Eventually we get into the summer and MJjr doesn't come for Paradise Camp in june/july whenever it is, and instead he commits to Oregon... Now which do you think puts us in the better situation with our secondary option and a TOP QB recruit in the country who has absolutely no reason to wait on us:
a) offering him a non-commitable offer that shows we have serious interest, and are just one step away from completely jumping on board. that offer gets him to show up for Paradise Camp, where after seeing him live on campus we'd accept his commitment, or
b) not offering a TOP Qb prospect, and he doesn't even show up to our Paradise Camp because the lack of an offer or show of interest to even say we want to see him at paradise camp.

...which do you think is more likely to get a QB to commit to us if our top option goes elsewhere or just pussyfoots around? At some point, we have to have a time in mind where we will accept a commitment from someone if MJjr is trying to wait too long. Like we can't just take the recruitment into November, and Hope everything works out for the best. Thats how you get screwed at QB.

 

[Roman Marciante]

I think this just confirms what everyone knew - MJjr is an elite athlete, but right now Taisun is a better passer.

Good ****. I still don't get why we'd be going for Graham Mertz, Sam Howell, or Spencer Rattler over either of these 2. I just am not seeing why we'd go for pro-style QBs given everything we want to do with this offense.

How MJjr and Taisun aren't at the top of our board, IDK.

Ok as we keep diving into these QB offers maybe I can interject this clarity from the head coach. Thanks for the contribution BTW

Richt has been candid in interviews saying he wasn't going strictly after Dual Threat quarterbacks. His only prerequisite was that QB was "mobile." Not necessarily the flash but I think the days of Groot are long gone. So in the case of Graham Mertz vs Michael Johnson Jr lets put them in the ring vs one another and hash this out.

The pro style Mertz is Zone read capable. What I mean by that he can carry out the zone read, keep it, and pick up a first down or two with his feet. Where he gets exceptional praise from me is his ability to create plays outside the pocket and hit deep down field strikes. He essentially looks for the long ball once out of rhythm. There is not a single RPO that we ran with Malik Rosier last year that Graham Mertz can't handle. Is he as fast as Rosier? No. Is he sedimentary. No. But Mertz could run IZ/bubbles all day and still have enough mobility to keep defenses in check if he ran.

The Dual Threat Johnson Jr is Zone Read Home Run Threat. That kid can carry out the zone read, keep it, and score. That is where his ability is a cut above everyone to date in the series. The trade off? He looks to run at times after only looking for one read. He doesn't have the refined passing trait that Mertz does.

So the skill sets are different and unique but as long as the mobility aspect is there Richt will offer. The "R" in RPO does in fact mean Run but it doesn't require a running QB. Doug Pederson and the Philadelphia offense essentially won a Superbowl with reliance on RPO's and had Nick Foles as the QB.

 

[RedSquare]

Not to threadjack but wasn't the main reason Richt stopped recruiting Newton because of the whole dirty recruitment/daddy taking $$ thing?

not to encourage threadjacking, but yes.

cam was one of the few players i know to be paid TWICE!

once by florida, (urban still using the same bag man at OSU), and once by auburn

 

[RedSquare]

Simple and well said. I think if you read back to back breakdowns you will see that I was more critical of MJJ in terms or mechanics and pure quarterbacking. But **** can that kid get up and go. I think MJJ would be in an ideal situation where he can come into Miami's QB room and not be rushed into action.

Roman ... I played the position in college and coached the position for 2 seasons at my alma mater before entering graduate school. the way you do your analyses is exactly the way i was taught. great work, sir.

 

[Roman Marciante]

not to encourage threadjacking, but yes.

cam was one of the few players i know to be paid TWICE!

once by florida, (urban still using the same bag man at OSU), and once by auburn

He even tried to throw away the labtop that showed his financials

 

[Roman Marciante]

Roman ... I played the position in college and coached the position for 2 seasons at my alma mater before entering graduate school. the way you do your analyses is exactly the way i was taught. great work, sir.

Thank you sir. High Praise and I really appreciate that.

 

[Calinative]

Ok as we keep diving into these QB offers maybe I can interject this clarity from the head coach. Thanks for the contribution BTW

Richt has been candid in interviews saying he wasn't going strictly after Dual Threat quarterbacks. His only prerequisite was that QB was "mobile." Not necessarily the flash but I think the days of Groot are long gone. So in the case of Graham Mertz vs Michael Johnson Jr lets put them in the ring vs one another and hash this out.

The pro style Mertz is Zone read capable. What I mean by that he can carry out the zone read, keep it, and pick up a first down or two with his feet. Where he gets exceptional praise from me is his ability to create plays outside the pocket and hit deep down field strikes. He essentially looks for the long ball once out of rhythm. There is not a single RPO that we ran with Malik Rosier last year that Graham Mertz can't handle. Is he as fast as Rosier? No. Is he sedimentary. No. But Mertz could run IZ/bubbles all day and still have enough mobility to keep defenses in check if he ran.

The Dual Threat Johnson Jr is Zone Read Home Run Threat. That kid can carry out the zone read, keep it, and score. That is where his ability is a cut above everyone to date in the series. The trade off? He looks to run at times after only looking for one read. He doesn't have the refined passing trait that Mertz does.

So the skill sets are different and unique but as long as the mobility aspect is there Richt will offer. The "R" in RPO does in fact mean Run but it doesn't require a running QB. Doug Pederson and the Philadelphia offense essentially won a Superbowl with reliance on RPO's and had Nick Foles as the QB.

Thanks. to state it simply imo:

Mertz is the best Qb on our board in terms of actual Quarterbacking ability and technique. His got mobility, but at best we are hoping for aaron rodgers at Cal, who was aweome.

Johnson jr is definitely the best QB in terms of athleticism and big play ability. but the worst technique though they are correctable, but it will take a little time....and if Perry or Weldon win the starting job, it might actually be in our best interest to get someone with high ceiling but will take time before he's ready..kinda buys us time so he wont transfer. At best we are hoping for Lamar Jackson...who won a heisman.

Taisun is kinda the blend of the two. Better passer/technique than Johnson for sure imo but not as good motion and not quite as accurate as Mertz. And He's definitely a much better runner than Mertz, but obviousy isn't as athletic as Johnson jr. not really sure who he'd be at best...maybe like Marcus Mariota or something.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Kid plays against joke competition in CT. I still think he is worthy of an offer though can't help but be reminded for cam newton and dak Prescott when watching him. Richt failing to recruit Newton was one of his biggest L's at Georgia so let's see if he has learned his lesson and pulls the trigger. You get this kid and MJ JR in this years class that's an ELITE haul and let him battle it out with the others in the QB room and may the best man win.

Be responsible about the things you say though. #1 maybe its fair to call his comp joke level. However to not put that same qualification over every recruit at qb weve offered this year is not being real.#2 his comp is stronger than everyone weve seen except possibly wise. That being said doesnt mean im saying its good over all. His comp is like playing against belin & coral shores etc year round maybe is the way its looked at. Hes been a starter at qb for his prep school since his 8th grade year.

 

[CFLCane]

yes a non commitable offer IS better than a non-commitable offer. It puts exact conditions on what would make you a take and the timing of when the commitment can be accepted. And it keeps up the recruitment on him. Why is this so complicated. Literally all you have to say is we are offering you, but before we accept a commitment from you, we want to see you live at Paradise Camp. That buys you 3 ******* months, and if MJJr hasn't committed by then its time to **** or get off the pot with a dude 3k miles away whos dad is on the local P5 staff. We shouldn't be waiting until the fall to see what MJjr is doing.

You're literally just making **** up.

Did Bandy have an uncommitable offer?
Did Harley have an uncommitable offer?
Did Bethel have an uncommitable offer?

No.

You can be upfront with recruits without giving them fake offers to tweet out. Or apparently more importantly to calm fanboys of forums.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Not to threadjack but wasn't the main reason Richt stopped recruiting Newton because of the whole dirty recruitment/daddy taking $$ thing?

Uncle was highjackin his recruitment.

 

[righty]

You would have a point about "not ruining your clear #1 by offering and accepting a commitment from someone else" except
1. we ARE offering other players and
2. a non-commitable offer would prevent Taisun from committing.

Imagine this scenario - we dont offer anyone else. We have MJjr at the very top of our board for the last few months. Eventually we get into the summer and MJjr doesn't come for Paradise Camp in june/july whenever it is, and instead he commits to Oregon... Now which do you think puts us in the better situation with our secondary option and a TOP QB recruit in the country who has absolutely no reason to wait on us:
a) offering him a non-commitable offer that shows we have serious interest, and are just one step away from completely jumping on board. that offer gets him to show up for Paradise Camp, where after seeing him live on campus we'd accept his commitment, or
b) not offering a TOP Qb prospect, and he doesn't even show up to our Paradise Camp because the lack of an offer or show of interest to even say we want to see him at paradise camp.

...which do you think is more likely to get a QB to commit to us if our top option goes elsewhere or just pussyfoots around? At some point, we have to have a time in mind where we will accept a commitment from someone if MJjr is trying to wait too long. Like we can't just take the recruitment into November, and Hope everything works out for the best. Thats how you get screwed at QB.

I also don’t see any sort of difference in giving him a non-committable offer on the terms he comes down to Paradise and earns an offer, and the staff simply recruiting him and telling him the same thing. I’m reality, there’s no such thing as a non-committable offer in the first place — it’s simply a recruiting tool to say that the staff has interest. No actual difference.

 

[Calinative]

You're literally just making **** up.

Did Bandy have an uncommitable offer?
Did Harley have an uncommitable offer?
Did Bethel have an uncommitable offer?

No.

You can be upfront with recruits without giving them fake offers to tweet out. Or apparently more importantly to calm fanboys of forums.

You are literally ALWAYS missing the point. for once you should think before you hit reply dude.

THOSE ARE CBS and WRs, literally the two positions we probably send out the most offers at and you sign 3-4 per class. You Sign 1 QB. Can't afford to miss.

The entire point that you literally never seem to understand is that 1-Qb evals are difficult and you dont hit all that often. 2- we should absolutely be widening our net for ELITE targets at EVERY position 3-we only have 5 offers out at QB, 3 of which are to guys Already committed.

How is that at all the same thing as CB or WR where we send out dozens of offers yearly? Plus EVERYONE was begging for us to offer Bandy and that waiting was a bad move. What you fail to realize is QB recruiting is MUCH different because they commit earlier and most stick with their commitments - meaning 3 of those 5 offers we have out are likely pointless to even pursue. QBs decommit at a much lower rate than any position and they always commit earlier.

 

[Calinative]

I also don’t see any sort of difference in giving him a non-committable offer on the terms he comes down to Paradise and earns an offer, and the staff simply recruiting him and telling him the same thing. I’m reality, there’s no such thing as a non-committable offer in the first place — it’s simply a recruiting tool to say that the staff has interest. No actual difference.

okay think about the mentality you want us to recruit MJjr with - you dont even want us to offer anyone else at the risk it would hurt his recruitment.
now apply that to the guy ranked #1 DTQB by 247 who has offers from many top schools in the country.
You think he's going to wait for us forever? Or do you think he will move on?
If we give him a set date that we will accept his commitment with only one condition - that he show up to paradise camp. Then if he wants to be a Cane he'd show up. Otherwise whats the point in him coming? He's a top qb with top level teams after him hard. He doesn't need to beg for a Miami offer. If we don't offer him, I don't see any way he comes to Paradise Camp or takes an OV here...from his perspective it would be a waste.

 

[CFLCane]

You are literally ALWAYS missing the point. for once you should think before you hit reply dude.

THOSE ARE CBS and WRs, literally the two positions we probably send out the most offers at and you sign 3-4 per class. You Sign 1 QB. Can't afford to miss.

The entire point that you literally never seem to understand is that 1-Qb evals are difficult and you dont hit all that often. 2- we should absolutely be widening our net for ELITE targets at EVERY position 3-we only have 5 offers out at QB, 3 of which are to guys Already committed.

How is that at all the same thing as CB or WR where we send out dozens of offers yearly? Plus EVERYONE was begging for us to offer Bandy and that waiting was a bad move. What you fail to realize is QB recruiting is MUCH different because they commit earlier and most stick with their commitments - meaning 3 of those 5 offers we have out are likely pointless to even pursue. QBs decommit at a much lower rate than any position and they always commit earlier.

Just pretend we offered Taisun. It's just as good as a fake offer. Problem solved.

 

[gcane44]

I've never seen someone so passionate about the power of a non-commitable offer.