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QBs with the most to prove (TVD)

Memnon said:
If we can get CJ Jr going early, in combination with Harrell & Ray Ray the added element of speed into the Offense should catapult us into being at very least competitively on par with UNC.

My only real worry this season is CB play & Mario's overall in-game decision making.

But from a personnel standpoint, we got the pieces to not be a completely shifty team lol.
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I‘d like to see packages ( pause ) for those guys
 
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Memnon said:
I'm much more Bullish this season on WR than I was last year.

A lot of yall really either completely underestimate or simply don't understand how much scheme plays into WR play. That was literally the crux of my many arguments I had with the Kool-Aid Brigade last offseason about the Gattless's Offense being much much harder for our WR's.

If Dawson is running even a semblance of what he did at Houston, the WR's will eat this year.

If Ty Harrell stays healthy & Shemar Kirk gets integrated into the system, TVD will have some weapons to distribute to & that will open up the Offense for the rest of the guys like Young, George, Restrepo, Nate & Rob.

Hopefully, the TE's are allowed to do more than block.
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This

If our WR's decide to start catching the ball TVD is going to have a big year.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I'm with you. I do have PTSD somewhat, I can't lie. I watched our kids run around last year absolutely velcro'd to DBs. But what you're saying is 1000% correct. If people can't understand, go pop in a Tennessee tape. Every single game there are multiple plays where there is nobody in the same zip code as a WR in that puke Tennessee orange. I'm not saying Dawson is Heupel, but there are ways to make life easier for your players. Dawson did go a good job of that at Houston, and he did at West Virginia and Southern Miss too. Gattass....not so much.
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I have never seen a more poorly designed passing game as I saw last year. The spacing. The formations. The route combinations. They all looked like they were just picked randomly and thrown on a play sheet. Couple that with the fact that when the **** hit the fan, Gattis would immediately go back to his safety blanket, the run game. So he'd panic and just immediately go into ground and pound mode but that never worked because we could never block anyone good enough to be a one dimensional running offense. If you played on the outside in Gattis' scheme, your main job was just trying to get DB's to chase you downfield to open up space for some underneath dump-off pass to a back or slot guy. There was no vertical OR horizontal threat to stretch a defense at all. Guys would be running the same route right next to each other with such poor spacing, you could literally cover two guys with one defender.
 
canecrazy23 said:
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Cliff notes?
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Positives: Last year didn't go as planned, but struggling through adversity and learning how to better read defenses and coverage were positives.
Aspects to Improve Upon: Mechanics, Accuracy, Mobility
NFL Study/Models: Burrow, Herbert
Balancing College/Football: Live in the present.

Was not the most well thought out responses. Just content.
 
Last years offense brought back memories of the Doh’Nofrio defense. Left me shaking my head at the incompetence. The rebuilt OL can do wonders for this program if it lives up the hype. Fingers crossed.

Go Canes!
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
If there weren’t ifs, we’d be talking about for sure winning 9-10 games.

FSU had a lot of ifs, and it turned out ok for them. Washington, TCU, Michigan along the outside and QB, USC with their team outside of QB and WR, Oregon with Bo Nix/new personnel, UNC with Maye, South Carolina with Rattler and new guys, Tennessee, LSU, etc.

The other end of the spectrum is the Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M, etc.

It’s just the name of the game. I think there’s way less question marks than last season (when you objectively look at it instead of the sunshine slurping a lot of us, me included, were a part of). If grey areas like DT, LB, WR go poorly…then we’re winning 6-7 games and Mario’s seat is hot (amongst the fanbase, not the program). If it goes well, 9, maybe 10 wins could happen).

I think we fall somewhere in the middle and have an 8-4 regular season, hopefully a bowl win as 9-4 looks much better.
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Oh, wait, you said 9-10 wins is possible. Hmm. When I said it, you claimed it is somehow Kool-aid even though I gave factual reasoning.

What idiocracy.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
Oh, wait, you said 9-10 wins is possible. Hmm. When I said it, you claimed it is somehow Kool-aid even though I gave factual reasoning.

What a mope.
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you said 11 lol. Don’t change your words around now big boy. 9 is fine, 10 is highly doubtful and I’ve maintained that. 11 is a pipe dream.

There is zero reasoning to suggest this team can win 11 games. That’s kool aid mixed with meth. 10 is still again, highly doubtful. Everything would have to go right.
 
E1k said:
Somewhere in the middle, i think the drastic shift from laslee to gattis in such a short time hurt. And then u factor in the qb coach probably not even knowing the system fully and not getting along
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DTP said:
Gattis' passing offense always looked clunky forced but outside the MTSU game, TVD didn't really play all that bad. His numbers in the 6 non-MTSU starts (Duke was only about a quarter) were: 66% completions. 1511 yards, 9:3 TD/INT. He looked uncomfortable and had a lot of trouble going through progressions but it's not like he totally fell off a cliff as a passer. He looked really good for stretches when they actually let him throw it.
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And remember how terrible the offense was whenever TVD wasn’t playing? It was unwatchable. You could argue we’d have been better off lining up in the wildcat formation or an outdated triple option offense with Brown than trotting Jake Garcia on the field.

I honestly can’t say how good TVD is or not. There’s potential but I still feel like we need to see more. Mock drafts in July don’t mean jack. Brad Kayaa was a projected first rounder at one point in his career. 2014 mock drafts showed Steven Morris as the #2 QB behind Teddy Bridgewater in the 2013 offseason. If TVD expects to move onto the NFL in 2024 and actually get drafted in the first 3 rounds, he has to put up big numbers for us this year. If not, I could absolutely see him returning in 2024 if his stats are whatever and we finish 7-5. There really isn’t a successor behind him right now. The job is his for as long as he wants it.
 
Bigdaddycane44 said:
And remember how terrible the offense was whenever TVD wasn’t playing? It was unwatchable. You could argue we’d have been better off lining up in the wildcat formation or an outdated triple option offense with Brown than trotting Jake Garcia on the field.

I honestly can’t say how good TVD is or not. There’s potential but I still feel like we need to see more. Mock drafts in July don’t mean jack. Brad Kayaa was a projected first rounder at one point in his career. 2014 mock drafts showed Steven Morris as the #2 QB behind Teddy Bridgewater in the 2013 offseason. If TVD expects to move onto the NFL in 2024 and actually get drafted in the first 3 rounds, he has to put up big numbers for us this year. If not, I could absolutely see him returning in 2024 if his stats are whatever and we finish 7-5. There really isn’t a successor behind him right now. The job is his for as long as he wants it.
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the offense was pathetic with brown too. his legs made it slightly better bc he could move when everything broke down.
 
Bigdaddycane44 said:
And remember how terrible the offense was whenever TVD wasn’t playing? It was unwatchable. You could argue we’d have been better off lining up in the wildcat formation or an outdated triple option offense with Brown than trotting Jake Garcia on the field.

I honestly can’t say how good TVD is or not. There’s potential but I still feel like we need to see more. Mock drafts in July don’t mean jack. Brad Kayaa was a projected first rounder at one point in his career. 2014 mock drafts showed Steven Morris as the #2 QB behind Teddy Bridgewater in the 2013 offseason. If TVD expects to move onto the NFL in 2024 and actually get drafted in the first 3 rounds, he has to put up big numbers for us this year. If not, I could absolutely see him returning in 2024 if his stats are whatever and we finish 7-5. There really isn’t a successor behind him right now. The job is his for as long as he wants it.
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I honestly dont think he will be drafted that high regardless. And i think people forgot how he looked after the bye week adjustments, him getting hurt kinda ruined him having a chance to end the year better
 
Interesting tweet from Bud Elliott. Basically giving his opinion on the ranges for each ACC QB this year. Their theoretical ceiling and floor within the conference. No surprise TVD has such a wide range. I agree with this for the most part.

 
E1k said:
I honestly dont think he will be drafted that high regardless. And i think people forgot how he looked after the bye week adjustments, him getting hurt kinda ruined him having a chance to end the year better
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Same. Likely a late rounder if he’s drafted and will probably spend time on an NFL practice squad before making an active roster.
 
hoops156 said:
the offense was pathetic with brown too. his legs made it slightly better bc he could move when everything broke down.
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ummm, what was FShatU's defensive highlight of the year in 22? Oh yea, the sack on Brown when we was chuck 5 yards by a DB. Only so much any fleet foot QB can do when it breaks down.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
I’ve gone back and forth on this very topic as well. Ultimately, I think he’s got enough there to get within that threshold of 8-10 wins (max).

As we saw in the Spring game, a healthy Restrepo helps the offense as a whole, but it’s no doubt his security blanket. He’s probably a top three-ish slot guy in the conference, I think? He seemed comfortable trusting Ray-Ray too (who I think will have a very fine freshman campaign and showed good wiggle in open space, something that’s been lacking at the position for far too long). Between those two, I like where we stand against opposing nickel guys. TE has to be the best spot on paper with Skinner, the highly anticipated return of Arroyo (speaking of, @JustAFanHTX how’s he coming along?), and Riley Williams ready in the wings. All three can flash outside the hashes if need be, and I think Dawson will utilize mismatches with those three very early and often. Big bodied targets with good hands and good speed/strength in traffic.

So it’s really going to come down to the outside guys. Colbie probably has one spot locked down, but he needs to take that next step and become the bonafide #1 guy. Hopefully those speed measurable updates are true, because if he’s that fast now…he’s going to be an absolute problem. 1K potential for sure.

Between George, Kirk, Horton…someone needs to step up. Can’t rely on Harrell given his injury past. Anything we get out of him I’ll be happy about, he’s blazing fast when healthy and opens the offense up completely. Just need to bubble wrap him til September. I think Redding and Ladson are relegated to third string/red zone guys at best, wouldn’t be surprised to see one hit the portal post fall. My money is on George putting it all together and cementing himself as WR2, and if he does…TVD should have no excuses.
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A good running game will go a long ways towards making things easier for him as well. If we can consistently run for 4-5 ypc and keep the defense on their heals it will only help TVD and the receivers.
 
jazperbc said:
ummm, what was FShatU's defensive highlight of the year in 22? Oh yea, the sack on Brown when we was chuck 5 yards by a DB. Only so much any fleet foot QB can do when it breaks down.
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yes that was bad but he also provided a spark with his legs (gtech).
 
Not to totally change the subject here but the new system will be much more friendlier to Jacurri Brown too. Not only is it easier to learn, it's easier to operate. There's fewer post snap reads and likely isn't too far off from what he ran in high school. It also benefits a plus runner because he'll have a lot of room to run if anyone tries to play man. Clayton Tune (who isn't anywhere near the runner Brown is) had over 500 yards rushing in Dawson's offense last year.
 
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