QBs with the most to prove (TVD)

[ItsMeD]

Random TVD/offense thoughts.

Which is more likely. TVD's 2021 season was a fluke, or a bad OC hampered his ability?
The OL is definitely better this year and has a little depth..
We have a dozen receivers and several of them are new. Several should do better without an anchor like Gattis around their necks.
We have a new OC not named Gattis.
With a decent OL and several good RB's, we're a genuine run threat, which helps the receivers.

It wouldn't surprise me if we have a very good season, but I don't think anyone can say for certain how it will go because so many variables have changed.

Ultimately, I don't think TVD is as good as his best was that season. He was in Joe Burrows type level numbers wise. But he's not as he was last season. I know that's a large range but, like you mentioned there are many variables.

One thing I keep hearing, which I don't like as a fan or for him, is that the new OC is making things easy for him. Obviously, I want a qb who can breakdown defenses. That's also something that would be troublesome for him getting drafted, if scouts think he can't do it. I hope that's nit a real issue. Other than that, he's a big, strong, athletic enough qb. But, I do have WR concerns and the staff seemingly does also. Hopefully with a strong oline, improved running attack, and better OC we will be good.

I also agree, if those 3 things work out, we could gave a good season. Better than some people might think. But again, a lot of variables.

 

[canecrazy23]

Is that you, Manny Diaz? What's the "havoc rate“ for Guidrys D?

Whether we are good or not at DT is a matter of opinion, I personally think the DL will get pushed around again but I can understand people arguing otherwise.

What is less debatable is what we have on the offensive side. The strength, due to OL and RB, is going to be the ground game. Dawsons scheme will help keep the chains moving on 3rd downs, but I don't believe we are going to see an explosive offense.

As for TVD, I agree with the posters who say TVD will be better than last year but he isn't going to reach the heights we thought he would after the 2021 season. So add it all up and I think we see a more efficient offense, but it's not going to be anywhere near the top 35 in PPG.

You don't have a freakin clue what our D or OFF will look like. You're just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks so you can continue to Troll. I had you pegged from the moment you changed your screen name. We could always wait to see what these new coordinators do before making bold claims.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

This may be crazy, but I don't necessarily think we NEED a WR1 this season. With TVD and an improved OL, not only will the running game be better to help open up the offense, I think we have WRs that will get open based on the offensive scheme alone. Colbie, X, Harrell (if healthy), RayRay. And then we can take into consideration the TE room with Arroyo, Skinner, Riley Williams.

TVD may not have a true WR1 (ie: Rambo), but he isn't poor of options.

 

[Gables Cane]

This may be crazy, but I don't necessarily think we NEED a WR1 this season. With TVD and an improved OL, not only will the running game be better to help open up the offense, I think we have WRs that will get open based on the offensive scheme alone. Colbie, X, Harrell (if healthy), RayRay. And then we can take into consideration the TE room with Arroyo, Skinner, Riley Williams.

TVD may not have a true WR1 (ie: Rambo), but he isn't poor of options.

I’d like to start by seeing two WRs that consistently get open and catch the football. Every game, no matter the opponent.

If we can do that, we will be much improved becases the others will be “hit & miss” i.e., have one good game followed by two straight games where they are nowhere to be found. That’s been or biggest issue.

 

[01Canes]

This may be crazy, but I don't necessarily think we NEED a WR1 this season. With TVD and an improved OL, not only will the running game be better to help open up the offense, I think we have WRs that will get open based on the offensive scheme alone. Colbie, X, Harrell (if healthy), RayRay. And then we can take into consideration the TE room with Arroyo, Skinner, Riley Williams.

TVD may not have a true WR1 (ie: Rambo), but he isn't poor of options.

I think you're right given the expectations most have for this year. We won't need a WR1 or a pair of elite starting WR's to just win 8 games and beat the teams we'll be favored against. I personally wouldn't be satisfied with that, but it sounds like some would be.

We absolutely will need to land premier WR talent, though, if the eventual goal is to ever become a national power again and compete for the CFB playoff.

 

[Rickd]

I’d like to start by seeing two WRs that consistently get open and catch the football. If we can do that, we will be much improved becases the others will be “hit & miss” i.e., have one good game followed by two straight games where they are nowhere to be found. That’s been or biggest issue.

What gives hope is the fact that Dawson is "known" for scheming WR's open. We have to look to Houston to see what might be feasible. The scheme / game planning / play calling was so horrible in 2022, along with the "team chemistry" that I expect 2023 to look like a completely different football program offensively.

 

[Rickd]

I think you're right given the expectations most have for this year. We won't need a WR1 or a pair of elite starting WR's to just win 8 games and beat the teams we'll be favored against. I personally wouldn't be satisfied with that, but it sounds like some would be.

We absolutely will need to land premier WR talent, though, if the eventual goal is to ever become a national power again and compete for the CFB playoff.

The fanbase is SO beat up after the "Gattis Ball" season of 2022 that many are simply hoping that the offense doesn't look like a complete clown show again. That pendejo set the program back unbelievably.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

I’d like to start by seeing two WRs that consistently get open and catch the football. If we can do that, we will be much improved becases the others will be “hit & miss” i.e., have one good game followed by two straight games where they are nowhere to be found. That’s been or biggest issue.

I agree. I think those 2 WRs will most likely be X and Colbie. I think Colbie will be a possession/chain mover WR, who is also a RZ threat. I don't see him getting tons of yards, but he could lead the team in rec. TDs.

I guess I'm cool with a WR being explosive and then disappearing, as long as they rotate lol Like I think we can choose between Harrell, George, RayRay or Kirk as the ones who can hit big plays, then maybe go missing. As long as another one steps up in their absence lol

 

[Manfred_Cane]

I think you're right given the expectations most have for this year. We won't need a WR1 or a pair of elite starting WR's to just win 8 games and beat the teams we'll be favored against. I personally wouldn't be satisfied with that, but it sounds like some would be.

We absolutely will need to land premier WR talent, though, if the eventual goal is to ever become a national power again and compete for the CFB playoff.

I'm cool with winning 8 games imo. I mean, would I like to expect more wins? Of course. Would I take 9-10 wins? Absolutely lol

I agree with having to land premier WR talent. I think next year we definitely NEED a WR1. Just expecting TVD to leave and for us to go portal shopping for a top QB. hopefully that can attract a top portal WR.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I'm cool with winning 8 games imo. I mean, would I like to expect more wins? Of course. Would I take 9-10 wins? Absolutely lol

I agree with having to land premier WR talent. I think next year we definitely NEED a WR1. Just expecting TVD to leave and for us to go portal shopping for a top QB. hopefully that can attract a top portal WR.

Beat Ohio's Miami, Bethune, Temple, Georgia Tech, UVA, Louisville, Boston College. Those are musts. Losing any of those would be reall depressing, and yes I'm very well of our history of losing games we "shouldn't" lose. But that's 7 wins. Then can you go 2-3 vs UNC, Clemson, FSU, NC State, and A&M? If you do, you're 9-3. 2 of those 5 are at home.

NC State's win total is 6.5 this year and they have the 7th best odds to win the ACC. Not some insurmountable task.
UNC's total is 8.5 with juice on the under. Longo is gone. Doable.
FSU, Clemson, A&M will all be tough, as we know. But even if we go 1-1 against the NC teams and 1-2 vs FSU/Clem/A&M, we should still be able to win 8 games, maybe 9. Anything less than 8 is flat out inexcusable, and yes I'm incredibly familiar with the roster.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

Beat Ohio's Miami, Bethune, Temple, Georgia Tech, UVA, Louisville, Boston College. Those are musts. Losing any of those would be reall depressing, and yes I'm very well of our history of losing games we "shouldn't" lose. But that's 7 wins. Then can you go 2-3 vs UNC, Clemson, FSU, NC State, and A&M? If you do, you're 9-3. 2 of those 5 are at home.

NC State's win total is 6.5 this year and they have the 7th best odds to win the ACC. Not some insurmountable task.
UNC's total is 8.5 with juice on the under. Longo is gone. Doable.
FSU, Clemson, A&M will all be tough, as we know. But even if we go 1-1 against the NC teams and 1-2 vs FSU/Clem/A&M, we should still be able to win 8 games, maybe 9. Anything less than 8 is flat out inexcusable, and yes I'm incredibly familiar with the roster.

O/U is 7.5 and I'm going to hammer the over cause I believe we win 8 games. If we take care of those 7 you mention, and beat UNC or NC St, thats 8 right there.

Lets say we lose to TAMU, we get Bethune on a short week, which I like cause we can use that to fix any issues or whatever we have vs TAMU. Then its at Temple which is a W. and then we get a buy before dog**** GaTech. So we have time to get right before the next tough game which is at UNC. Longo is gone and if we can keep Maye off the field, we'll win that game.

 

[E1k]

What gives hope is the fact that Dawson is "known" for scheming WR's open. We have to look to Houston to see what might be feasible. The scheme / game planning / play calling was so horrible in 2022, along with the "team chemistry" that I expect 2023 to look like a completely different football program offensively.

Idk what everyone else saw but i saw tank dell routing everyone up and getting open, not saying the scheme didn’t help but most of that wasn’t dawson scheming it was an elite college route runner

 

[E1k]

They took another Juco receiver besides Kirk? Regardless, they took transfers at almost every position this off season. Including running back. Are we bereft of talent there too?

You're comparing the numbers of guys who are playing in a pass happy system to guys who played under Gattis here and saying they're better because they had better numbers. Of course they had better numbers. They played in wide receiver friendly systems where they got targeted 10 times a game. Once again, these teams don't have a ton of superstar receivers. The receivers at Mississippi State aren't better than the group at Miami, they played in the Air Raid and thus put up big numbers. We've gone over this multiple times. You can go back years and find dozens if not hundreds of receivers who played in pass heavy offenses who put up big numbers and never played a down in the NFL. The system can make average players look good. That was literally the WHOLE reason why Hal Mumme and Mike Leach developed it. It was so they could be competitive offensively without having NFL talent.

We just gonna agree to disagree because we see things totally different, i do think wr friendly systems help but I believe it’s about talent u can scheme all u want if u dont have the guys to make plays then that **** doesn’t matter. And u still are just assuming based on the name of the school that we have better talent when we had to go all the way to juco to add to that room, nobody said it took nfl talent but it’s obvious the people seeing the wr more than me and you dont think highly of them.

 

[skyman]

Ultimately, I don't think TVD is as good as his best was that season. He was in Joe Burrows type level numbers wise. But he's not as he was last season. I know that's a large range but, like you mentioned there are many variables.

One thing I keep hearing, which I don't like as a fan or for him, is that the new OC is making things easy for him. Obviously, I want a qb who can breakdown defenses. That's also something that would be troublesome for him getting drafted, if scouts think he can't do it. I hope that's nit a real issue. Other than that, he's a big, strong, athletic enough qb. But, I do have WR concerns and the staff seemingly does also. Hopefully with a strong oline, improved running attack, and better OC we will be good.

I also agree, if those 3 things work out, we could gave a good season. Better than some people might think. But again, a lot of variables.

Lashlee said the same thing, he struggled early then he had to sit down with TVD and simplify the offense. So its not just a one off thing. Then he struggled again in last year scheme.. Atleast he is now in an air raid scheme which is one of the most "qb friendly" schemes in cfb. Whether you like it or not, it is what it is and he can still be a successful college qb, which is all that matters.

If TVD is a nfl qb, and we have better oline play, running attack, and better OC with a wide open system we should be much better. Its hard to see how we will not be, I am a lil bit more high on our skill guys than most it seems, we have enough players to put points on the board.

 

[ItsMeD]

Lashlee said the same thing, he struggled early then he had to sit down with TVD and simplify the offense. So its not just a one off thing. Then he struggled again in last year scheme.. Atleast he is now in an air raid scheme which is one of the most "qb friendly" schemes in cfb. Whether you like it or not, it is what it is and he can still be a successful college qb, which is all that matters.

If TVD is a nfl qb, and we have better oline play, running attack, and better OC with a wide open system we should be much better. Its hard to see how we will not be, I am a lil bit more high on our skill guys than most it seems, we have enough players to put points on the board.

I hope so. My issue with the receivers is if we have a true number one who can bail out the offense when needed and secondly, do we have enough depth when an injury occurs. We've been killed by injuries the past few years and I have concerns about our depth at WR.

Overall. I agree though. I believe our offense will be better and hopefully that translates to more wins.

 

[Zombie-Cane]

Let me guess: The article talks about his 2021 stats. Perhaps mentioning his last 3-6 games that year with some mention to Joe Burrow. Maybe talking about his top 10 draft prediction going into 2022. Something about Gattis offense scheme and injuries. Then maybe a hope for optimism with a new "air raid" oc and a retooled offensive line.

Just curious, what do you suggest get talked about in the offseason?!?! Apparently nothing at all.......cool

 

[jazperbc]

I'm still very concerned that he has nobody to throw the ball to but I do think the improvement up front, the scheme, and the fact that he was SEVERELY humbled last year is going to result in far superior QB play.

I just hope someone steps up in the WR room.

Let me ease your pain a bit.

~ Colby Young is now established. This time last year he was just getting to the school.
~ X

Ultimately, I don't think TVD is as good as his best was that season. He was in Joe Burrows type level numbers wise. But he's not as he was last season. I know that's a large range but, like you mentioned there are many variables.

One thing I keep hearing, which I don't like as a fan or for him, is that the new OC is making things easy for him. Obviously, I want a qb who can breakdown defenses. That's also something that would be troublesome for him getting drafted, if scouts think he can't do it. I hope that's nit a real issue. Other than that, he's a big, strong, athletic enough qb. But, I do have WR concerns and the staff seemingly does also. Hopefully with a strong oline, improved running attack, and better OC we will be good.

I also agree, if those 3 things work out, we could gave a good season. Better than some people might think. But again, a lot of variables.

the OC is not making things easy for the QB. The QB has more responsibility in the new offense. They can now change the play and influence the protection. That makes it more complex in that they have more responsibility for pre-snap decisions. Last year, the QB was basicly saying, O-Fk, that won't work, when plays were called. The offense will be easier in total for everyone. Recall that our WRs were not always were there were supposed to be last year

 

[skyman]

I hope so. My issue with the receivers is if we have a true number one who can bail out the offense when needed and secondly, do we have enough depth when an injury occurs. We've been killed by injuries the past few years and I have concerns about our depth at WR.

Overall. I agree though. I believe our offense will be better and hopefully that translates to more wins.

Last year injuries majority came from practices, UO fans told us that was a trademark of Mario so it was expected for some. But if our players can be "tough" and survive the mario invitational we have alot of guys and hope someone steps up.

Colbie
Restrepo
Jacolby
Brashard
Ladson
Redding
Robby W.
Nathaniel J.
Horton
Harrell
Kirk


Thats 11 guys by my count, many with experience. Colbie had some good chemistry with TVD when he was healthy. Restrepo and TVD have been well documented, I dont know if TVD ever had both on field together at same time. That alone will give a good passing attack with 2 wr on field. Now its just finding another guy to step up in remaining 9, Jacolby will probably get first crack, Brashard will play, Harrell will have a role if he is healthy and can stay that way. I think we can put up numbers with the guys we have in a wide open system, we will find out soon enough. The days are winding down, heck big 12 media day is today so practice is around the corner

 

[jazperbc]

Lashlee said the same thing, he struggled early then he had to sit down with TVD and simplify the offense. So its not just a one off thing. Then he struggled again in last year scheme.. Atleast he is now in an air raid scheme which is one of the most "qb friendly" schemes in cfb. Whether you like it or not, it is what it is and he can still be a successful college qb, which is all that matters.

If TVD is a nfl qb, and we have better oline play, running attack, and better OC with a wide open system we should be much better. Its hard to see how we will not be, I am a lil bit more high on our skill guys than most it seems, we have enough players to put points on the board.

that is NOT what happened. Lashlee opened up the offense after sitting down with Tyler. Lashlee went conservative at the start.

 

[KingB02]

I'm still very concerned that he has nobody to throw the ball to but I do think the improvement up front, the scheme, and the fact that he was SEVERELY humbled last year is going to result in far superior QB play.

I just hope someone steps up in the WR room.

Colbie was ballin last year before injuries to him and TVD. X was hurt. We will be fine there. It was the play style that affected the WRs the most last year. The spacing and route concepts were fracking atrocious.