Public Vs Private Colleges

[305407cane]

I hate notre lame but they made the playoffs in 2018 and made the natty in 2012 or something.

 

[Eric The Midget]

I'd trade our last decade with theirs in a heartbeat.

 

[JD08]

I'd trade our last decade with theirs in a heartbeat.

One thing we both have in common is getting humiliated playing in Miami.

 

[ncncanes]

Have not made a good coaching hire since Butch ---- that is the bigger issue

 

[TheEye]

Miami, USC, Notre Dame have had a rough decade. This is also around the time that Universities starting getting an influx of students and taxpayer money.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is there any information out there that debunks this? I feel like it's an uphill battle for private universities moving forward. Until we stop federally backing student loans? (Free cash for universities. Half of students that go college don't graduate, but they still carry the debt)

Actually, public always had an advantage. Most of the 20th Century was loaded with state university championships. The 21st Century saw an influx of CONFERENCE profit sharing and an increase in TV and other ad revenue. Remember, Miami's last National Title was won during its Big East days. Can you imagine any Big East team winning it all today? What about before the Big East? Miami won titles as an INDEPENDANT! Impossible today, without the Notre Dame exclusive broadcast network deal they have.
Today, revenues of multiple STATE fan bases can be pooled and shared to make power houses. The Power 5. That high tide raise all boats. Then, on top of that, the state schools have their own enormous fan base, leaving private schools in the cold.

 

[Lokest]

Unless Miami had something substantial to offer, the slice of the pie they'd receive wouldn't do much. How much can the university realistically expand at this point in time?

 

[CaneFan79]

Been rolling a thread on this since 2016:

https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/alabamas-dominance-in-context-death-of-cfb.104100/

While not directly in that thread, I have mentioned that state schools have built in advantage of real property maintenance being state funded, part of a coaches salery being part of a state pension fund, and the realization that a state university is treated as being "too big to fail" in the eyes of creditors.

 

[JTKoval]

The question is how do Miami change over from private to public!! IF that's possible.. BUT IF it is, that should definitely be something talked about..

That will never happen.

 

[JTKoval]

Alabama and UGA spend almost 3 million per year on recruiting. Clemson spends 2 million. Miami spends 500k. Has nothing to do with public v private money. There is no reason Miami couldn't spend an additional 1.5 million on recruiting other than the administration is cheap and thinks it can run a winning program on a shoestring budget.

Correct.

 

[Canedude08]

The question is how do Miami change over from private to public!! IF that's possible.. BUT IF it is, that should definitely be something talked about..

You have a better chance of winning the lottery, than Miami becoming part of the state university system. Why? Because the state system has a state school less than 15 miles away. Miami isn't winning in the athletic sphere because 1)The NCAA has made it to where richest team wins, with zero consequences 2) Miami has done a poor job of adjusting to that new reality and 3)The powers that be have made multiple egregious hires in the last 20 years, in revenue sports. Miami will never be able to outspend the large factory schools, but if Miami merely made rational, quality hires and let the chips fall where they may, they would hit on at least one. Instead, Miami has done the opposite, hiring people that are unlikely to succeed, because it's easier to do that, instead of putting in the effort to unearth quality leadership.

 

[Trav]

Miami, USC, Notre Dame have had a rough decade. This is also around the time that Universities starting getting an influx of students and taxpayer money.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is there any information out there that debunks this? I feel like it's an uphill battle for private universities moving forward. Until we stop federally backing student loans? (Free cash for universities. Half of students that go college don't graduate, but they still carry the debt)

ND is doing just fine, unfortunately, last I checked. I know because we kicked their a$$ in 2017 everyone hoped, or assumed, they'd go into a downward spiral. But umm.. it was actually kind of the opposite relative to us. Also, Baylor i seeme to be doing ok, Stanford sucked this year but had been great, ditto TCU.