Protect College Sports Act [formerly “SCORE Act” thread]

[supacane]

it will likely survive challenge and be ruled constitutional

At this point I’ll be interested to see what approach we take institutionally once it passes.

Yeah but portions of it may be struck down.

 

[cookies]

These are the two most immediate consequences I keep returning to when picturing what’s a world like if this passes.

The fine is the lesser of two evils, however, it grows more devilish when combined with the excess benefits rollover.

The excess benefits rollover is actually insane.

I’m also now realizing they are basically ****** over incoming freshmen & portal players the most.

The normal benefits cap is around 22 mill, with the retention cap being at about 27 mill. Since incoming freshmen are locked out of that latter pool, as well as transfers, it remarkably depresses the value of being a 5 star since paying DGG low 7 figures now has to be balanced with not just the football roster, but other sports as well.

Moreover, the rentention pool mechanism is another tool borrowed from the nba’s salary cap rules—all while granting the NCAA protections against employee protections because classes of athletes didn’t organize & lobby politicians for years on end.

I haven’t seen Bryce underwood promoting Oracle, and I wonder how that deal would fare against stricter scrutiny from the CSC. Would it be allowed? Would it count against the cap? Etc.

 

[canesbaby]

I’m sure I’m missing something here but not seeing how this completely effs Miami even if we don’t ultimately move to the BIG or SEC. Unless I’m not understanding, the school is capped at $48.5M to pay its players but what is stopping the athletes from obtaining outside NIL from outside parties like they do now? As long as the school isn’t involved, why can’t Miami’s NIL program continue on as it currently does?

 

[RightSaidFred]

We are completely ****ed.

 

[SinCityCane]

I’m sure I’m missing something here but not seeing how this completely effs Miami even if we don’t ultimately move to the BIG or SEC. Unless I’m not understanding, the school is capped at $48.5M to pay its players but what is stopping the athletes from obtaining outside NIL from outside parties like they do now? As long as the school isn’t involved, why can’t Miami’s NIL program continue on as it currently does?

Technically nothing is stopping athletes from obtaining outside NIL, the problem I see is the restrictions placed on what counts as outside money or money affiliated with the school, the latter of which would be illegal to use as NIL $ (after the cap), and who gets to decide and enforce this - the NCAA & their oversight board, which will absolutely go back to enorcing everything against us and nothing for their darlings. And it gives them protection to do as they like.

To your point though, it is also true that Miami's a major media market & the U is a major brand, and our players do get massive deals and the like as we've already seen with Mali & Adidas + Mensah & Sling TV or whichever it is (I've seen it quite a few times as an ad on my phone). So some of that might be mitigated. On the other hand, you have the conference restrictions, which after a while, SEC & B10 could potentially lock us out after adding Notre Dame.

They really, really do hate us bro.

 

[DREW!]

 

[SinCityCane]

I agree. That was never the case over the last 250 years.

If you wanna go that route, I could easily point to the fact that there has never been anything close to the amounts of money "donated" (lobbying) to Congress since the Republican stacked Supreme Court passed citizens united with America's top crook in the oval office leading the way. Business and other interests can now give freely without cap to sway votes, so yeah, your sarcastic comment actually speaks truth. It hasn't always been like this. Not to this extent or anything close.

 

[RightSaidFred]

At some point, Miami plus a coalition of other schools (Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA/Virginia Tech, Stanford and Utah) need to come out publicly against this.

Jim Phillips is going around saying the ACC speaks with one voice and likes the legislation. The fact that “the conferences and schools unanimously back this” is a big reason Congress is voting for it.

Schools that are against it need to make sure they are heard, and not behind closed doors.

 

[ShadowSpring]

At some point, Miami plus a coalition of other schools (Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA/Virginia Tech, Stanford and Utah) need to come out publicly against this.

Jim Phillips is going around saying the ACC speaks with one voice and likes the legislation. The fact that “the conferences and schools unanimously back this” is a big reason Congress is voting for it.

Schools that are against it need to make sure they are heard, and not behind closed doors.

Why would the ACC fight for its teams to leave the conference?

Based on no comments from individual schools fighting it, perhaps support from the university side is stronger than we think. This primarily hurts the player/labor

 

[Fart Keyhole]

I would have gone with c) your mom

Well said.


Anyways, this whole situation underscores the importance of leaders with intellectual curiosity and a strong ethical core.

 

[cookies]

I continue to believe that the focus on conference expansion diverts attention away from the mass restrictions on labor pay.

'I need to post my Undertaker meme. We’re back from the dead!' — Protect College Sports Act passes first major hurdle, but obstacles remain

Conference expansion was a topic that weighed heavily on the voting on Tuesday.

sports.yahoo.com

Like I don’t even understand what we’re doing here lol. Ross is a fine reporter but Stanford is objecting to being locked into the ACC? Bruh the B1G just chose Oregon and Washington over yall lol they don’t love yall like that. Really incredulous that Stanford would care so much, especially after how hard they had to lobby to even get into the ACC.

obviously schools’ actions are newsworthy but feels like a red herring to devote so little attention elsewhere considering the bill does a lot more than restrict the musical chairs game of conference realignment.

Anyways the five schools he says are more upset are Miami, Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Stanford. IMO Seems like Clemson and UNC are positioning themselves to be a package deal to the SEC

 

[Allabouttheu95]

Just messaged my local senators. Believe both moody and Scott are against this bill as is but did it regardless. Really need Miami to use its political power it has with shalala and put a damper in the momentum this thing has. I’m very aware of how corrupt this country is but I’m still shocked at this “passing with flying colors” as @cookies has done a tremendous job outlining over last couple pages: this is unprecedented bull****

 

[cookies]

For all intents and purposes, the provision locks schools into their current conferences. Such schools as, say, Florida State and Miami. Or Clemson and North Carolina. Stanford too. Officials at all five school have privately voiced their resistance to a provision that, basically, prevents them from elevating to the Big Ten or SEC.

On Tuesday, at least a few of those lawmakers made noise with their votes and their voice from the Senate floor. Florida lawmakers Ashley Moody and Rick Scott were two of only four Republicans to vote against the bill (they joined Alabama's Tommy Tuberville and Kentucky's Rand Paul). And the South Carolina duo of Graham and Scott held that lengthy conversation with the bill's authors.

Whether the expansion provision changes remains an open question.

Amendments can now be filed and Cruz said he expects some of those amendments to be adopted. Cantwell left the door ajar to changes in the provision, too, but she suggested the difficulty in relaxing the provision to make it easier for, say, a host of ACC programs to leave to form what may be considered two super leagues —the SEC and Big Ten.

 

[cookies]

You should understand that this was Vote No. 1 in a four-step voting process: three separate procedural votes, each with one full off day required between them, and then the final vote.

Sen. Eric Schmitt, a Republican from Missouri and an influential co-author on the legislation, is aiming for a final vote mid-next week. In normal legislative circumstances, a procedural vote result often reflects a future final vote, he said.

 

[cookies]

The landslide vote Tuesday means the legislation that so many doubted has a real chance in the next chamber, the House of Representatives. Leadership in the House has expressed skepticism over the bill and they decided earlier this month to break for recess after this week and not return until mid-November……..


…….Midterm elections are Nov. 3. Will the House decide to return to session to take up the college sports bill before then? President Donald Trump, an ardent supporter of the bill, has held communication with House leadership about the prospect, those with knowledge of the talks tell Yahoo Sports.

 

[Rickd]

At some point, Miami plus a coalition of other schools (Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA/Virginia Tech, Stanford and Utah) need to come out publicly against this.

Jim Phillips is going around saying the ACC speaks with one voice and likes the legislation. The fact that “the conferences and schools unanimously back this” is a big reason Congress is voting for it.

Schools that are against it need to make sure they are heard, and not behind closed doors.

Schools are fighting ... hence the modifications requested by Moody etc. At least 6-8 schools in the ACC have been vocal against this act.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Sausage and legislation, two things you never want to see made.

 

[Applecane]

Can someone explain -- simply -- this to my aging, increasingly feeble mind:
Will this bill put limits on the amount of NIL money that can be raised for student athletes?

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Yes I understand that.. But there's no doubt it'll pass the Senate when it's finally brought to vote.

Before recess there was plenty of doubt whether it would pass. Just seems like a crazy shift.

There's been a very visible public push by recognizable figures. (ie Saban, Deion, etc) It's been via radio, tv, billboard, print

 

[cookies]

"It's not out of the realm of possibility for them to take it up," Schmitt said. "I think there is a strong desire to not let this lapse and go past the midterms."

But there are plenty of detractors.

In fact, during a robust speech on the Senate floor before the procedural vote, Sen. Cory Booker, a former Stanford football player, eviscerated the legislation, calling it an "unjust bill" that doesn't protect athletes enough and grants sweeping antitrust powers to a monopolized entity (the NCAA).

Those opposing the legislation often point to the fact that the bill restricts athlete movement and establishes a harder cap on their pay without touching the millions going to administrators and coaches. Many of them would prefer the conferences and schools bargain directly with the athletes — something that, while rife with obstacles and legal hurdles, they believe is a more fair course of action.

As it turns out, that pushback seemed to bury the bill last month, when senators got to the doorstep of a vote before opposition mounted.

On Tuesday, things were different.

"I need to post my Undertaker meme. We're back from the dead!" Schmitt said outside of the Senate chambers.