Protect College Sports Act [formerly “SCORE Act” thread]

[CaneBorn1983]

I also don’t think the NIL provisions will hurt Miami at all. If anything, they will just increase Miami’s advantage. Big city equals more NIL opportunities, period. Also, equals ability to more easily justify that they are not de facto extensions of the athletic program. For example, Adidas can continue to sign Miami kids to NIL deals. That doesn’t guarantee those kids will end up at Miami, but it sure as heck massively increases the chances, and they can do this all behind the legitimate business strategy of capturing the youth of Miami to build their American brand.

I believe they could even strongly encourage and incentivize these signees to go to Miami as part of this legitimate business strategy. All while staying entirely disconnected from the program in this regard.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Giving this some more thought, the requirement in the bill to operate as an independent for 5 years isn’t a problem.

Let’s play out a scenario here. Assume that Miami leaves the ACC on 1/1/2027 to join the SEC on 1/1/2032. Nothing stops the SEC and Miami from entering a scheduling agreement to fill out 8 or 9 of Miami’s games each of those 5 years.

Problem solved!

The real problem is the cap. However, I think that’ll be solved either in the House or the courts. If not, I believe the Big10 or the SEC would eventually jettison deadweight programs like Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, etc. to make room for a marquee brand like Miami.

I don’t see the cap being an issue. Yes there will be a cap. But how can compliance or the NCAA or whoever determine where or how much money a SA is getting. In the past it was easy. A kid pulls into the lot with a lambo. He gets called in and grilled where the car came from. Now the kid gets 200k of cap money. Gets another 300k from an off the books deal. Rolls into the lot with a lambo. Hey kid where’s the car from….its from my rev share deal sir. Ok carry on. Because he’s already getting money it’s gonna be hard to police if someone is getting more than they’re supposed to.

 

[CaneBorn1983]

Giving this some more thought, the requirement in the bill to operate as an independent for 5 years isn’t a problem.

Let’s play out a scenario here. Assume that Miami leaves the ACC on 1/1/2027 to join the SEC on 1/1/2032. Nothing stops the SEC and Miami from entering a scheduling agreement to fill out 8 or 9 of Miami’s games each of those 5 years.

Problem solved!

The real problem is the cap. However, I think that’ll be solved either in the House or the courts. If not, I believe the Big10 or the SEC would eventually jettison deadweight programs like Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, etc. to make room for a marquee brand like Miami.

I don’t see the cap being an issue. Yes there will be a cap. But how can compliance or the NCAA or whoever determine where or how much money a SA is getting. In the past it was easy. A kid pulls into the lot with a lambo. He gets called in and grilled where the car came from. Now the kid gets 200k of cap money. Gets another 300k from an off the books deal. Rolls into the lot with a lambo. Hey kid where’s the car from….its from my rev share deal sir. Ok carry on. Because he’s already getting money it’s gonna be hard to police if someone is getting more than they’re supposed to.

Cap I’m referring to in this particular post is the 19 team cap per P4 conference.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Giving this some more thought, the requirement in the bill to operate as an independent for 5 years isn’t a problem.

Let’s play out a scenario here. Assume that Miami leaves the ACC on 1/1/2027 to join the SEC on 1/1/2032. Nothing stops the SEC and Miami from entering a scheduling agreement to fill out 8 or 9 of Miami’s games each of those 5 years.

Problem solved!

The real problem is the cap. However, I think that’ll be solved either in the House or the courts. If not, I believe the Big10 or the SEC would eventually jettison deadweight programs like Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, etc. to make room for a marquee brand like Miami.

I don’t see the cap being an issue. Yes there will be a cap. But how can compliance or the NCAA or whoever determine where or how much money a SA is getting. In the past it was easy. A kid pulls into the lot with a lambo. He gets called in and grilled where the car came from. Now the kid gets 200k of cap money. Gets another 300k from an off the books deal. Rolls into the lot with a lambo. Hey kid where’s the car from….its from my rev share deal sir. Ok carry on. Because he’s already getting money it’s gonna be hard to police if someone is getting more than they’re supposed to.

Cap I’m referring to in this particular post is the 19 team cap per P4 conference.

Too early in the morning lol. I just saw cap and didn’t finish reading.

 

[Hurricane23]

Then they should break up the entire thing and conferences by region like in the NFL

 

[skyman]

Buddy has too much dip on his chip.

SMU is going 8 or 9 years without a media payout, and made the playoffs in their first year cementing another legit program in the conference. May not have the biggest alumni base but they’re rich, they spend, they are in a huge metro area, they are in it to win it, and they’re **** sure thankful we let em in. It was absolutely the right move.

Rhett Lashalee turned down his alma mater Arkansas who “wants to win,” to stay at SMU.

Adding those 3 schools made us the only conference with schools in the most populated five states; and Stanford + Cal are only getting 30% of the media rights revenue for 7 years before two years of 72.5% then full distribution. Adding those schools increased our package by 100M’s. We are the only conference with teams in North Carolina (9th) and Virginia (12th) as well, and we split Atlanta with large alumni bases of our schools, mostly GT.

The problem is that Duke & UNC basketball is making money hand over fist for espn and the conference isn’t getting their kickback for it as they should. thats jim Phelps and his predecessor’s fault.

The college football playoff made March madness an undervalued asset & Disney demolished us in negotiations. No one ever thought to have the bright idea to sell football and basketball separately. Hopefully Brett Yormack doing that with the Big XII will teach the ACC a lesson so Disney can stop robbing us.

Buddy is acting like Stanford didn’t just go on a fifteen year run of being one of the best programs in CFB lol.

Too much self loathing in the ACC, we’re a better football conference than common misconceptions state.

Brohm tore up the B1G at ****** Purdue lmao. Purdue, miss state, and many other schools in those conferences are dependent on an elite coach in order to do anything meaningful. Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern etc aren’t exactly standard bearers lol….Michigan State has had a pretty similar trajectory to Stanford. Kentucky kept the same coach for thirteen years and his final record was 72-80.

South Carolina was trash in the ACC and they’re trash in the SEC.

Vanderbilt and Penn State were trash reputation wise when James Franklin got there. Bill O Brien became an NFL coach for going 15-9 there lmfao. Now does Boston college not want to win cuz they hired him? That’s absurd. Meanwhile Boston colleges previous head coach is now a NFL HC.

Wanting to win by any means possible can also backfire when it leads you to dumbass decisions and being cheap; cc: Wisconsin.




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No matter how good the media markets and how much better they used to be, acc leaders signed a death sentence deal for 20 years, the other conferences will have like 3+ tv deals in same time, the media markets dont matter if you gave them away.. Before that tv deal, ACC was putting nfl talent at a higher clip than every conference other than SEC and was almost neck and neck some years.. I am sure if investigated there would be evidence that there was some type of collusion to kill ACC somewhere because that deal was soo bad it seems beyond negligence.

 

[cookies]

No matter how good the media markets and how much better they used to be, acc leaders signed a death sentence deal for 20 years, the other conferences will have like 3+ tv deals in same time, the media markets dont matter if you gave them away.. Before that tv deal, ACC was putting nfl talent at a higher clip than every conference other than SEC and was almost neck and neck some years.. I am sure if investigated there would be evidence that there was some type of collusion to kill ACC somewhere because that deal was soo bad it seems beyond negligence.

Agreed the deal was beyond stupid; but that shouldn’t be taken out of context. One of the reasons why that deal was reworked and extended when it was, was because FSU and Clemson engaged in a year’s long court battle with the ACC to attempt to avoid paying exit fees.

Our tv deal ends in 2036. ESPN opted into that; there was no renegotiation. The big 12’s ends in 2031. SEC’s ends in 2034. B1G ends in 2030. We’ll be fine as long as we don’t make the same mistakes again. But the point still stands, we’d be getting many millions less without them. USC and UCLA didn’t want to let in Oregon and Washington; who are both forgoing money as well. If markets didn’t matter, why did the B1G choose the two LA schools (who Stanford has been more successful than), which are located in the biggest media market sans NYC, and before that Maryland and Rutgers?

Another way Disney is ******** the ACC over is by obstructing the playoffs to be expanded. We could be getting more money from fox rn. The B1G were gettin paid before they started winning. The acc won 3 titles compared to the B1G’s one in the 10s but the B1G got a bigger bag because they left to go with FOX.

The ACC was the wealthiest league beforehand because basketball, due to the inventory and march madness, was driving a larger percentage of the media rights pie. So, Duke and Carolina were subsidizing the rest of the league. The college football playoff changed the media rights dynamic. CBS couldn’t afford to keep paying the SEC and Disney pouched part of that package. The ACC didn’t have another entity owning its football games which is why we got finessed; we almost renegotiated in amidst a recovering recession.

As i put in another post, the big east gets 80 million for their basketball season & their ratings don’t come close to the ACC’s. We left money on the table when we did this in 2010:

That would double the league's annual TV revenue when the contract begins in the 2011-12 season. It would also give ESPN syndication rights that would allow Raycom Sports to carry games and maintain its long-running regional broadcasting relationship with the league.

Partnering with ESPN ends talk for now about the ACC following the lead of the Big Ten by creating its own television network. Commissioner John Swofford said the league did its "due diligence" by researching the issue, but said the ACC opted to avoid the upfront startup costs and the financial risk in favor of utilizing ESPN's in-place broadcast and multimedia outlets.

ACC, ESPN reach 12-year TV deal

The Atlantic Coast Conference and ESPN have agreed to a 12-year deal that would give the network exclusive rights to conference football and men's basketball games.

www.espn.com

Hilarious how his comments are literally the opposite of what resulted from this deal:

"When you go with somebody for that kind of money with no financial risk and they have the extensive platforms they have to distribute your games -- plus they have the technology and the desire to be on the cutting edge with new media -- it really begs the question: Why would you need your own network?" Swofford said.

The agreement marks the first time the ACC has negotiated one contract to bundle broadcasting rights for football and basketball. The previous deal brought in an average of about $72 million in TV money annually, which the league distributes evenly among its 12 members -- an average of about $6 million per school.

By contrast, the ESPN deal would bring an average of $155 million in TV money per year, an average of more than $12.9 million per school. Those payouts don't include money from bowl games, NCAA tournaments or any other revenue the league distributes to member schools.

Thursday's announcement comes after 15 months of negotiations and a season in which league schools won a record eight national championships, with Duke's NCAA title in men's basketball marking the ACC's fifth crown in 10 seasons. It also comes despite the national economic downturn and the recent possibility of widespread conference expansion and realignment -- which ultimately amounted only to a handful of schools.

"We have been stable, are stable, and I think this [deal] will enhance that," Swofford said.

The fact that syndication and Raycom are still getting mentioned shows you how far away we are from that 2010 media ecosystem. The SEC would renegotiate a deal soon afterwards whereby Disney would outbid CBS

B1G schools almost made the dumbest decision ever in letting private equity own parts of their athletic departments so it’s not like they’re playing 4D chess out here; and the fact they were going to do that signals that they even with the media rights deal, they are having trouble keeping costs down.

NFL Teams aren’t immune to the same propaganda that affects everybody else. Kyren Williams and Puka Nacua were drafted lower than they should’ve been because they don’t play in the SEC. If Kyren went to Alabama or OSU with his cousin Jameson williams he’s a first round pick. Now the NFL has course corrected and we’ll see if they were right to value 2 different ND RBs as 1st round picks. Number of draft picks doesn’t necessarily guarantee success.

TLDR: Bundling football and basketball was the dumbest thing ever; and everything stems from exactly that underestimating the value of those brands. People were talking about how John Swafford ****ed things up 15 years ago

FSU names ex-ACC boss John Swofford in amended complaint

The Florida State board of trustees has filed an amended complaint to its lawsuit against the ACC, naming former commissioner John Swofford in the latest filing.

www.espn.com

 

[Tony4Canes]

 

[Genghis Cane]

The fact of the matter is….if we don’t get out of the ACC, this program is doomed. Doesn’t matter that Mario is here. The deck is stacked against us. There needs to be some urgency by the administration here. Maybe our AD can be vocal……oh wait…..we don’t ******* have one.

 

[cookies]

This man is doing the Lord’s work.

 

[TooColdToHold]

The fact of the matter is….if we don’t get out of the ACC, this program is doomed. Doesn’t matter that Mario is here. The deck is stacked against us. There needs to be some urgency by the administration here. Maybe our AD can be vocal……oh wait…..we don’t ******* have one.

I don’t think we would be doomed but it’s certainly not ideal. Miami still has certain advantages that can be exploited by competent leaders who are willing to be bold and forward thinking.

 

[Canesrule230]

 

[Canesrule230]

180 days - sounds like we have a home

 

[cookies]

Pretty much what the politico article said would happen yesterday

 

[cookies]

180 days - sounds like we have a home

This isn’t getting passed regardless; the amendments are a method of delaying the bill into purgatory

 

[Canesrule230]

This isn’t getting passed regardless; the amendments are a method of delaying the bill into purgatory

I like it - kill this bill

 

[GeminiCane]

Too many amendments, its Friday, this isn't passing.

 

[NicKane]

Too many amendments, its Friday, this isn't passing.

And it shouldn’t pass, just like the bill before it didn’t pass, and no other bill should pass until this thing is collectively bargained. That’s the endgame if a deal is ever going to be put in place. And that’s the right way it should be done.

 

[Hold My Beer]

I rarely if ever say anything nice about a Gator, but will make an exception for the necessary work Ms. Ashley is doing

 

[Yoyo423]

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I rarely if ever say anything nice about a Gator, but will make an exception for the necessary work Ms. Ashley is doing

I'm shocked a Gator is doing the Lord's work for Miami and FSU.