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Gatorhater said:
Not aimed at you specifically. There are those who seem to think he should be told to hit the road.
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Yeah, I don't like that idea. Every QB that has been in the system has value. Even a guy like Shirreffs, who pushed Rosier to improve, had value. It's not all about the starter. Guys can push each other, coach each other, and all improve together. You take a 5th year senior out of the QB room and I guarantee there would be consequences, especially when the next oldest QB is a redshirt freshman.
 
ThomasM said:
Yeah, I don't like that idea. Every QB that has been in the system has value. Even a guy like Shirreffs, who pushed Rosier to improve, had value. It's not all about the starter. Guys can push each other, coach each other, and all improve together. You take a 5th year senior out of the QB room and I guarantee there would be consequences, especially when the next oldest QB is a redshirt freshman.
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Agree completely. I am more worried about the fact that our defense feel apart those last three games and made heroes on opposing QBs in several other games. I have more questions about Manny than Rosier. Rosier vastly overachieved last year but is never going to be a qb that wins games where the other team just keeps scoring. If our defense does not get better and sustain itself all year, it will not matter who is at qb.
 
Gatorhater said:
Agree completely. I am more worried about the fact that our defense feel apart those last three games and made heroes on opposing QBs in several other games. I have more questions about Manny than Rosier. Rosier vastly overachieved last year but is never going to be a qb that wins games where the other team just keeps scoring. If our defense does not get better and sustain itself all year, it will not matter who is at qb.
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There are certainly questions, but I believe our D will look a LOT better if they get to play with leads, AND the O can convert 3rd downs and keep them rested. We'd get leads often, only to have the O go stone cold. Each side effects the other, and I firmly believe the D did more to help the O than the O did to help the D. There needs to be a better balance.
 
ThomasM said:
There are certainly questions, but I believe our D will look a LOT better if they get to play with leads, AND the O can convert 3rd downs and keep them rested. We'd get leads often, only to have the O go stone cold. Each side effects the other, and I firmly believe the D did more to help the O than the O did to help the D. There needs to be a better balance.
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Getting off and staying on the field on 3rd down has been problem on both ends. Pitt and Clemson games were horrible for both. We should have beat WI. You can take your pick as to who fault. O is up a bunch and in red zone for stake though the heart and turns ball over -- horrible. D then lets them go for TD -- horrible. Old school is if you have the lead, defense need to pitch shut out after that point. Today, seems to be offense needs to keep scoring. In then end, our big time players stopped making big time plays in those last three big time games. First 10 they made the plays. Rosier proves he can win a close one at the end. He also proved he is fairly useless in a score every possession type game.
 
Gatorhater said:
Not aimed at you specifically. There are those who seem to think he should be told to hit the road.
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That's just ignorance. No, he won't lead us to the promise land, but he has proven to at least be serviceable. Add the fact he is the only QB on our roster with real game experience, keeping him on the team is a no-brainer.
 
Gatorhater said:
Getting off and staying on the field on 3rd down has been problem on both ends. Pitt and Clemson games were horrible for both. We should have beat WI. You can take your pick as to who fault. O is up a bunch and in red zone for stake though the heart and turns ball over -- horrible. D then lets them go for TD -- horrible. Old school is if you have the lead, defense need to pitch shut out after that point. Today, seems to be offense needs to keep scoring. In then end, our big time players stopped making big time plays in those last three big time games. First 10 they made the plays. Rosier proves he can win a close one at the end. He also proved he is fairly useless in a score every possession type game.
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It's not even a score every possession thing. It's keep the darn chains moving to keep the D rested thing. That, or score every time. If you can't score every time, which no one can, you'd better at least get first downs to keep your D off the field. No D in the history of football has given up points, or third down conversions, if they weren't on the field.

127th in 3rd downs... That's a bit too much feast or famine to be a healthy team. I know we will always be a quick strike team due to the talent we have, but we also need to convert 3rd downs at a higher rate than we've done the last several years or we will continue to see the same issues, and the same frustrating losses.

I'm telling you now, if we get a QB that can survey the field and deliver catchable balls, and keep drives alive with his feet from time to time, we will see a huge jump in both offensive and defensive production.
 
ThomasM said:
It's not even a score every possession thing. It's keep the darn chains moving to keep the D rested thing. That, or score every time. If you can't score every time, which no one can, you'd better at least get first downs to keep your D off the field. No D in the history of football has given up points, or third down conversions, if they weren't on the field.

127th in 3rd downs... That's a bit too much feast or famine to be a healthy team. I know we will always be a quick strike team due to the talent we have, but we also need to convert 3rd downs at a higher rate than we've done the last several years or we will continue to see the same issues, and the same frustrating losses.

I'm telling you now, if we get a QB that can survey the field and deliver catchable balls, and keep drives alive with his feet from time to time, we will see a huge jump in both offensive and defensive production.
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I can not agreed about keeping the defense rest any more. That is upmost importance and the downfall of many a great QB too. Guys like Marino and and Fouts never had good defenses for the same reason. Of course in their cases it was "scoring" too fast that was more of a problem. That is nicer than 3 and out but you still have to drag your tire rear back out on the filed. Heaven was playing defense for the old 73 Fins. Ten and 12 minute drives eating entire quarters, get one or stops on defense and it was half time. Today is no difference, Oregon - zero NCs: Saban - lost count of them.

This 3rd down thing seems to have infected us for years now on both sides of the ball with no cure in sight. Even in the glory days we had issues with 3rd and short on offense but we score from distance so much and the defense added its on scores plus the now deceased idea of special teams scoring point, those flaws only hurt us in the occasional psu type disaster game. In the end, big time players make big time plays in big time games or you lose. If one of those is behind Rosier, he needs to step up and take that job, because Mark is not going to bench the kid that got him his best start ever and into our first ever ACC title game just for the heck of it. If one of these kids in the second coming of Jim Kelly, Mark should be able to spot him -- he was, after all, here for the first one.
 
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Gatorhater said:
I can not agreed about keeping the defense rest any more. That is upmost importance and the downfall of many a great QB too. Guys like Marino and and Fouts never had good defenses for the same reason. Of course in their cases it was "scoring" too fast that was more of a problem. That is nicer than 3 and out but you still have to drag your tire rear back out on the filed. Heaven was playing defense for the old 73 Fins. Ten and 12 minute drives eating entire quarters, get one or stops on defense and it was half time. Today is no difference, Oregon - zero NCs: Saban - lost count of them.

This 3rd down thing seems to have infected us for years now on both sides of the ball with no cure in sight. Even in the glory days we had issues with 3rd and short on offense but we score from distance so much and the defense added its on scores plus the now deceased idea of special teams scoring point, those flaws only hurt us in the occasional psu type disaster game. In the end, big time players make big time plays in big time games or you lose. If one of those is behind Rosier, he needs to step up and take that job, because Mark is not going to bench the kid that got him his best start ever and into our first ever ACC title game just for the heck of it. If one of these kids in the second coming of Jim Kelly, Mark should be able to spot him -- he was, after all, here for the first one.
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My concern is that I’m year 3 he should have spotted a decent QB by now. I believe that Williams may be the one. I was never sold on Perry, as he looked like he was playing sand lot football in high school. Talented, but having never been taught properly, we don’t know if he can learn properly. Williams, to me, looks to have been much better coached. Question is, can he be ready come fall? I sure hope so, and I also hope Perry can reach his potential sooner rather than later. Richt needs a QB, and soon.
 
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