Position Groups ‘24/25 comparison

[umfire2005]

Interested to see where posters are at comparing position groups from last year to this year, as I am pretty surprised at some of the takes I’ve seen. I’d be particularly interested in DMoney’s view on the matter.

Elite — Top 5 unit in the country.
Very good — top 12-15 unit in the country.
Above average — top 25 unit in the country.


Mine:

OFFENSE:

QB — Worse. Above average starter, average room.

OL — Equal. Was a very good group last year, should be a very good group this year.

RB - Significantly worse. No Martinez hurts. Fletcher is an average ACC starter, Lyle shows promise. Average room

WR - Significantly worse. Need another
Piece. Average room.

TE - Worse, but not significantly.

DEFENSE

Safety - Better, still need a piece but the word is the transfer is a very good player. Likely average room unless other piece is big-time.

Lb — Even. Below avg unit.

Cb - Much improved. Possibly above average unit.

DE — Slightly better. Lowe is the real deal. Above average unit.

DT — Need more here. Equal. Average unit.

Special Teams — Should take a step forward in the return game. FG Kicker is worse.

In short, ‘25 offensive groups are clearly a substantial step back (barring OL). Could be talked into OL being on the cusp of elite. One borderline elite player.

‘25 defensive group better at CB and Safety. No elite position group, no elite players.

No elite players in Specialist positions.

 

[merlin]

Qb will be elite if healed. Went into last season ranked one

offensive line. Elite

Cb has freshman AA. A guy who wasn’t allowed in portal he was so promising. And a big ten starter. Plus O’Conner. It’s very good at least for ACC

need special teams help. Kicker is suspect. Need a returner.

Safety is big upgrade even if average. We d be in playoffs if that position was functional last year.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

Interested to see where posters are at comparing position groups from last year to this year, as I am pretty surprised at some of the takes I’ve seen. I’d be particularly interested in DMoney’s view on the matter.

Head coach improved or still the same?

 

[252cane]

Can’t compare until you see them perform

 

[OrangeSlidez]

You got 15 QBs better than Beck this year? Would need to see that list.

 

[umfire2005]

You got 15 QBs better than Beck this year? Would need to see that list.

Believe that injury will pull his performance down some.

 

[umfire2005]

Can’t compare until you see them perform

Fair enough

 

[GojiraCane]

Interested to see where posters are at comparing position groups from last year to this year, as I am pretty surprised at some of the takes I’ve seen. I’d be particularly interested in DMoney’s view on the matter.

Elite — Top 5 unit in the country.
Very good — top 12-15 unit in the country.
Above average — top 25 unit in the country.


Mine:

OFFENSE:

QB — Worse. Above average starter, average room.

OL — Equal. Was a very good group last year, should be a very good group this year.

RB - Significantly worse. No Martinez hurts. Fletcher is an average ACC starter, Lyle shows promise. Average room

WR - Significantly worse. Need another
Piece. Average room.

TE - Worse, but not significantly.

DEFENSE

Safety - Better, still need a piece but the word is the transfer is a very good player. Likely average room unless other piece is big-time.

Lb — Even. Below avg unit.

Cb - Much improved. Possibly above average unit.

DE — Slightly better. Lowe is the real deal. Above average unit.

DT — Need more here. Equal. Average unit.

Special Teams — Should take a step forward in the return game. FG Kicker is worse.

In short, ‘25 offensive groups are clearly a substantial step back (barring OL). Could be talked into OL being on the cusp of elite. One borderline elite player.

‘25 defensive group better at CB and Safety. No elite position group, no elite players.

No elite players in Specialist positions.

Somewhat hard to make a firm declaration of who is elite or not. This is a really young Miami team (average CFB experience of 1.5 years).

My biggest concern is depth. 7 wide receivers and 4 running backs is far too thin.

Coker went into the 2006 season with just 6 wide receivers and it ended up being a disaster.

 

[umcane4life]

I think oline, dline, and cb will see significant improvement over last season. WR is a wash personally. Safety can only get better.
QB depends on the recovery. We get '23 Beck and we're *******

 

[brcane1]

Head coach improved or still the same?

Cavemen never stop slowly learning.

 

[AUcane]

Believe that injury will pull his performance down some.

He’s back to 100% next week supposedly. Injury should be zero concern. Once healthy, he’s a top 3 QB in the country.

You’re also underrating our OL - it’s still elite.

 

[252cane]

Believe that injury will pull his performance down some.

How if he is 100%? Purdy off that same injury threw for 4200 yards and 31tds

 

[DTP]

With so many new guys and an entirely different defense it’s pretty much impossible to make a comparison until they actually play games.

Also, there’s over 130 FBS teams. Being top 25 in any position grouping is WAY above average.

 

[407cane]

You got 15 QBs better than Beck this year? Would need to see that list.

exactly

the porsters on here falling for the gator/nole/bulldog slander of beck is wild

put on his tape - dude is a top 5 qb in college football

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Beck, if healthy, is absolutely one of the 15 best QBs in the country.

OL is, at worst, a Top 10 unit. IMO the line will be better this year, just because that right side should be as good as any guard/tackle combo in the entire country. Left side still does have things to prove, but I'd be shocked if the unit was anything worse than equal to last year, and it was a Top 10 line last year, at worst.

My only significant concern on this roster is WR. Everything else is plenty good enough to win the ACC. I don't think the defense will be elite, but it'll be good enough with the totally revamped secondary to win the league, if paired with a ~Top 25 offense. And Beck plus this OL plus the backs are easily good enough to be Top 25, provided we can get some production in the passing game from the pass-catchers. One more sure-fire starting WR, and IMO this is the team to beat in the ACC.

 

[canesigep23]

I think oline, dline, and cb will see significant improvement over last season. WR is a wash personally. Safety can only get better.
QB depends on the recovery. We get '23 Beck and we're *******

How is WR a wash? We lost the all time leading receiver in school history, jacolby george who made a ton of big plays for us, Horton who took huge leap last year and seemed to only get better, and Sam Brown who although didn’t live up to the hype was still a very good 4th option. I mean, I hope you’re right. But right now it’s a big unknown.

 

[htownkidd]

How is WR a wash? We lost the all time leading receiver in school history, jacolby george who made a ton of big plays for us, Horton who took huge leap last year and seemed to only get better, and Sam Brown who although didn’t live up to the hype was still a very good 4th option. I mean, I hope you’re right. But right now it’s a big unknown.

Delusional

 

[cway313]

Interested to see where posters are at comparing position groups from last year to this year, as I am pretty surprised at some of the takes I’ve seen. I’d be particularly interested in DMoney’s view on the matter.

Elite — Top 5 unit in the country.
Very good — top 12-15 unit in the country.
Above average — top 25 unit in the country.


Mine:

OFFENSE:

QB — Worse. Above average starter, average room.

OL — Equal. Was a very good group last year, should be a very good group this year.

RB - Significantly worse. No Martinez hurts. Fletcher is an average ACC starter, Lyle shows promise. Average room

WR - Significantly worse. Need another
Piece. Average room.

TE - Worse, but not significantly.

DEFENSE

Safety - Better, still need a piece but the word is the transfer is a very good player. Likely average room unless other piece is big-time.

Lb — Even. Below avg unit.

Cb - Much improved. Possibly above average unit.

DE — Slightly better. Lowe is the real deal. Above average unit.

DT — Need more here. Equal. Average unit.

Special Teams — Should take a step forward in the return game. FG Kicker is worse.

In short, ‘25 offensive groups are clearly a substantial step back (barring OL). Could be talked into OL being on the cusp of elite. One borderline elite player.

‘25 defensive group better at CB and Safety. No elite position group, no elite players.

No elite players in Specialist positions.

I'll revisit once roster is set, but I agree everywhere except TE. Even though he was underutilized imo, I expect a significant drop off.

 

[grover]

My criteria is whether or not the position group is playoff level:

Yes: QB, OL, DE, CB
Maybe: RB, TE
No: WR, DT, S, LB

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Delusional

Complete delusion. WR is the biggest question mark group on the team right now.

Restrepo, George, Horton, and Brown combined for 214 catches last season.

214 of Cam's 305 completions went to WRs who are no longer here. And this isn't even mentioning that another 59 went to Arroyo, Martinez, and Riley Williams, who are also no longer here.

The WR unit *can* be good enough to win the league. But there's a LOT of "if" right now:

- IF Jojo Trader turns into a true WR1 and plays to his recruiting ranking
- IF Ray Ray Joseph is truly a different player and is ready to soak up some production
- IF Toney is truly a transcendent player who can be a major factor in his true freshman season playing a position he didn't play full-time his senior year of HS
- IF CJ Daniels is fully healthy and can lock down a starting spot. Remember, he's got injury history and only averaged 11.2 YPC last season at LSU, which isn't that much better than Mason Taylor, who is a Tight End. Can this kid replicate George or Horton on the outside? Horton did only average 11.0 per catch, FWIW.
- IF one of the other freshmen, Upshaw or Moore, can contribute.
- IF we can get at least 1 more portal WR, whether that be Pena or this mystery WR who will enter the portal soon to make all our hopes and dreams come true

Yes, some of that can happen. Some probably will. But that's a LOT of question marks and hopes, as it stands today. Entering last season, I knew for a fact the WR room would ball. I knew exactly what we were getting from X, George, and Horton. I have absolutely no idea what I'm getting from pretty much every single WR on the roster right now.

Biggest ? on the entire roster, as it stands today.