POOR ACADEMICS

In the US News for best universities, Miami has dropped in ranking to 55 and tied with FSU, while the Gayturds have volted to 28. What is going on? We can’t play football and can’t do academics.



 
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I attended Miami many, many years ago. I was dumb and naive when I started and when I graduated I was less dumb and naive. After a six year stint in the navy during the Vietnam war I continued my education which, along with what I learned in the navy, made me more less dumb and more less naive. That didn't stop me from getting married and raising kids and working my way up the ladder of success. Now I'm retired many years and I know I'm very much less dumb and less naive than I was waaaay back when.

Forget about all this crap. It doesn't matter. You continue your education, graduate, and then let living your life be your post graduate work. Do it right and you retire happy with fond memories of the past!

Listen to me...an old man making the best of what's left living in Florida (God's waiting room)
You forgot to add a warning about getting off your lawn.

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Great words you shared....
 

Interesting read.
This is going to happen more and more. I work in a grad school and schools like Ucla have said they aren’t going to do if any longer. It’s a popularity contest and unfair to rank schools without knowing so many other factors.
 




UM should follow their lead and stop submitting info to the US News school rankings. Yale was exactly right, it incentivizes the wrong things. For example, UM is far more expensive than FSU and UF. The report weighs school debt heavily so UM is going to be penalized. But its not the full story because it doesn't account for the tens of thousands of students who went into public service and had loans forgiven after 10 years. I had 77k in law school loans that got forgiven after 10 years working in the public sector. So UM actually ended up costing less than if I'd attended a state school. I hope all schools stop providing info to the USNWR and its garbage rankings.
 
Yeah, I’ve asked the ? to some alums if they r happy w/ Frenk in this regards. It’s been a precipitous decline since Shalala.
Started with shalala. I've known her since she worked under Clinton. Very disappointed in how she handled her time at UM and I really can't stand her anymore.

We are USCW all over again. Medical research is all the school cares about. I'm all for medical research but not at the detriment of academics and athletics. It is just wrong.
 
As a market-based fan, I could not care any less about UM's academic standing. Im a fan of the football and baseball programs. Oh and fan of the those two blonde basketball chicks from Fresno State.
 
If you went to UM, you wouldn't feel that way. People want their degree to mean something.
 
As if education even occurs on any campus around the country anymore. College is one of the biggest scams in human history and an absolute joke.
 
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As if education even occurs on any campus around the country anymore. College is one of the biggest scams in human history and an absolute joke.

Where would you suggest having 20-year-olds learn about engineering, architecture, medicine, finance, etc.?
 
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As a market-based fan, I could not care any less about UM's academic standing. Im a fan of the football and baseball programs. Oh and fan of the those two blonde basketball chicks from Fresno State.
 
..see Diversity, Equity and Inclusion infatuation better known as going woke
The funny thing is I went there for grad school and I have never seen a more diverse student body nor faculty in my life, and I still get alumni newsletters about how much they're "working" on the DEI "problem" at the university. Like what is the problem?
 
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So let me get this straight.

The kids we're bringing in are dumber but they're still not interested in college football?
 
@TheOriginalCane

Please repost your detailed explanation as to why these rankings are not academically based.


Somewhere on this board, I did a lengthy snooze-inducing analysis. I will give the Cliffiest of Cliffs Notes here.

Well more than HALF of the US News score that makes up our "academic" ranking is based on NON-academic factors, or at least factors that are only slightly academic in nature.

So there are factors such as student-teacher ratio (mild "academic" connection) and student loan balance ratios (not really "academic" and certainly more pronounced for private schools vs. state schools) that can cause our "ranking" to fluctuate each year, even if nothing substantive has changed on the academic front.

There are other factors such as "selectivity index" (percentage of applicants accepted) that might SEEM to indicate "academic" excellence, but are really just popularity factors. As we have discussed before, ALABAMA has been moving up in this regard DUE TO THE SUCCESS OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM, but not because they added some really great academic programs.

Finally, there is a decent chunk of the score that is "academic", but for which there is very little transparency or explanation of how that component is computed. In a PURE sense, one would think that academic "excellence" is a factor that should not be subject to huge year-over-year fluctuations, and yet...we have the US News rankings moving around like it was the AP football poll.

[And none of this addresses the CHEATING and juking of the system that some schools like Columbia have employed, but that's a discussion for another day.]

For three decades (from the early 1980s to the late 2000s), the University of Miami enjoyed a slow-and-steady climb from a ranking in the 90s (we were #88 when I enrolled as a freshman in 1986) to a ranking in the 30s. Since that time, we have been back-sliding, and it has continued to get worse under Frenk.

Here is what we are going to need to do (no joke here, these are things that will help):

1. Better football team - which leads to more applicants, which leads to more rejections, which leads to higher selectivity index

2. Cutting overall class size again - Tad Foote turbo-charged our first run up the rankings by cutting the undergrad enrollment in the early 1980s, and we have been growing the enrollment for the past 15 years or so as we built more classroom and dorm and parking capacity on campus. Now it's time to go back in the other direction, cutting enrollment again.

3. Need more fund-raising for scholarships - Miami ain't cheap, and student loan programs are not raising the max student loan amount as fast as colleges have been raising their tuition rates. Simply stated, we have to raise more money to endow more scholarships, and make Miami a place that is affordable for top students who do not come from wealthy families.

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Interesting read.


Just being honest, here, but "law school rankings" is the easiest one to disengage from. Notice how Yale/Harvard UNDERGRAD schools have not pulled out of the rankings.

Everyone knows that Yale/Harvard are the platinum standard for law schools. Nothing that US News says will change that. Nobody will care that the #3 law school moves up to #1 next year.
 
In the US News for best universities, Miami has dropped in ranking to 55 and tied with FSU, while the Gayturds have volted to 28. What is going on? We can’t play football and can’t do academics.
If you are an alumnus, your use of the non-word volted is empirical proof of the fall. But of course, if you mean that UF's rankings rise was caused by plugging in an extension cord, I understand. FYI, Yale Law will no longer participate in the surveys.
 
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