Canezum5
Senior
- Joined
- Sep 29, 2014
- Messages
- 5,180
OP is correct to a certain extent, IMO. In fact, I’ve almost started a similar thread several times over the last few weeks. It started when I came across this article a few weeks ago:
Mark Richt goes in-depth on calling plays, coaching Brad Kaaya | Canes Watch
(If someone would embed it’d be much appreciated. The relevant part of the article is Richt saying, in summation, “the plays haven’t changed over the last 30 years, it’s all about the execution.”)
Where my opinion differs from the OP is that I think the plays we have aren’t good (as opposed to lack of identity; similar, but different). I still think MR isn’t a great playcaller (a poster today mentioned how he called a run/draw to Dallas after he just sprinted 60 yards), but more importantly I think our plays are basic and dated. Route patterns (4 verts way too often), bubbles at wrong time (continuous against Cuse, who was ready for it; not enough against GT until last drive), wayyyy to much RPO for a 2nd rate QB (need a deadly accurate guy to run strictly RPO, IMO).
I’ve been calling for motion forever and a day. No misdirection (I’m not talking about reverses and those crap plays; why doesn’t our TE or slot guy ever leak open after a fake in the other direction?). Not enough feeding the guy with the hot hand (usually Berrios). Watching even lowly UNC, they would motion the WR into the backfield and fake/run a jet sweep; my eyes were always following that motion guy, so I have to imagine our guys were doing the same thing. Such easy stuff to implement that creates a competitive advantage.
Many posters point out, correctly, that Rosier has limitations. But that has nothing I do with how vanilla our offense is. To the contrary, scheming before the snap to confuse the defense would help mask those deficiencies. And I think Malik is a smart kid that would easily pick up, and thrive in, that type of offense. His limitations are after the snap, not pre-snap.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So because Mark Richt told a young athlete in peak condition to stay on the field and reward himself with a td run after he gained the yards to get down there, he cant call plays? lulz. ok buddy.
Basic and dated? The RPO/zone read mix is the most up to date offensive concept in football. Its what majority high octane offenses today use and its quite simple for most remotely athletic qb that struggle to pick up advanced concepts. So you're basically calling most of the good offenses in CFB vanilla and dated. OK
Its something you've never seen Richt run in his career but its dated.
Stop with the four verts stuff man. You haven't charted a game and cant validate that at all. We literally have a poster dissecting the games and routes that has yet to mention this. But some of you idiots keep saying this shid and its not true.
If you hate it so much tell us how many times we run it a game and show its how its a detriment to the offense.
Its not easy to implement and use motion. Its a bunch of window dressing that doesn't fool well coached teams often. Hence, why UNC isn't winning any big games or championships.
I think the RPO with or without all of the window dressing is still a potent offense. I just don't get what you guys want us to implement in accordance to the talent we have.
Our Offensive line gets blown up way too much to implement any **** offense. The good thing is theyre in great shape and play better as defenses get tired.
We are winning. Even with a limited oline and qb that are both streaky and inconsistent. The offense we have works with proper execution and its far from vanilla.
His limitations are presnap and post snap. are you serious. The kid cant read a defense at all.
He is confused as fuq for most or all of every 1st half. This is the same kid that admitted to not watching film or studying.
He has major presnap limitations.
I swear you guys don't watch these games.
If you do then you clearly don't know football.
At least give us a plan to discuss what offenses youd run and why based upon personnel.
Yall just complaining.
It's actually not difficult to implement motion or jet sweeps during the week. This is high school or below level stuff. A lot of teams add/take away plays and formations week to week so saying earlier that we can't just "add the pistol" is also false, especially this late in the season.
UNC uses the motions and jetsweeps very effectively. Even with a desimated roster they were able to score 19 points against a defense they were way less talented than with a 3rd string QB. The window dressings are designed to help teams with lack of talent as you stated we were. You really believe that UNC oline is more talented than ours? Or UNC dline more talented than ours?
You say Rosier can't make reads (although how you can decipher that without all 22 film is amazing since unless it's a short route you can't see it run not can you see the secondary). Part of the purpose of motion is it helps to determine zone or man this helping the QB who can't read a defense.
Rosier has certainly struggled with accuracy and decision making and been widely inconsistent no way you can argue against that but has Richt done everything possible to put not only Rosier in the best possible situation? I think that's debatable at best and worth discussing
I'm under the impression Richt is no idiot so I'm sure he is saving some things for VT, plz fake the bubble and hit the 9 route, so we'll see how the conversation changes after sat night
Ok. Its not about the fact that we CANT do it. Of course we can do it. But when we do it are we crisp and lining
up correctly? For a team that hasn't used much of any motion in years that is having trouble executing at a high level, consistently, I don't think its so easy and elementary to start using.
Hopefully its something that we have been practicing and implementing. Im sure Richt wants to use every advantage possible. If the advantage turns into penalties that kill drives Richt aint about that life
Making sure more than 1 player has motion capability is key as well. its not something so easy implemented when you want to use it as a tactic to successfully attack college defenses.
It has to be a part of something you do. part of your identity. It isn't always successful and I know because the Tennessee Titans use tons of it and I hate it when I watch film on gamepass because the shid doesn't fool anyone.
IF You want sick motion then RIcht should consult with Chris Peterson. He has mastered that. But his entire team can usually do it so you cant key on the specific formations and plays that are built off the motion.
Motion kills multiple birds with 1 stone so its not like you can use it to just see the defensive coverage. Some defenses play multiple coverage looks in the secondary. Having someone follow the motion man showing man coverage only to have the rest of the defense play zone.
It doesn't always open up the coverage.
Furthermore. The game is usually broadcasted mostly from the booth cameras with an all 22 look. The condensed version of the game released by the acc network is also from the booth with mostly all 22 looks .Sure they zoom sometimes but its nothing like An nfl broadcast where you don't know what tf is happening.
Its a great discussion. I think Richts expectations are too high at times and he can have some bad calls. I don't see that as him being a bad OC just yet. too many plays left on the field.
fair enough points, I didn't realize that about the ACC network release. I'm about to re-watch the game now
Yeah I use that to chart each game on youtube every week. That's why im on here arguing half the time with people who watch the game on gamecast from espn stat machine.
Hey, what part of 804 you in big homie?
