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Piggy Back Thread - JOSH GATTIS NON-HYPE THREAD

I looked at the chart again. Had to post again sorry … that sh it is indefensible. In any other career or job, if your production or profit declined that much … you don’t see tomorrow. Yet here we are.
 
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Well when you put it this way...

Fk he sucks, I would love to see the numbers for just P5. Even more discgraceful I assume.
 
htownkidd said:
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I’m always skeptical on the “save the playbook” mess, it’s BS but I’m forever calling folks out on it from this point forward lol. If that is ever being said then it’s a 90% chance we’re fvcked.
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All of the concerns that i and others mentioned on here were literally confirmed in the first 2 games. Like in my mind i had a best case scenario and worst case scenario this ****t has somehow been worse than I thought it can ever get lol
 
The funny thing is, Gattis supporters pointed to Michigan’s explosive play percentage when he was first hired here. They were near the top of the nation in plays over 40 yards. But a deeper dive showed that they were nowhere near the top in plays over 10 yards. So even when he had “success” at Michigan, his offense was a ton of small gains with an occasional big play to skew the numbers. Similar to James Coley’s offenses here.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I remember after the Bethune game I sounded the alarms that we took zero deep shots and no explosive plays.

I was assured he was saving the playbook lol.

Never believe that one fellas. Bethune game told the story.
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If you were paying attention. Most of us was still drunk off of the wine that was, “poaching” Mario from Oregon and the uptick in recruiting. Boy…. those were the days.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
We can score 100 points versus Pitt, won't matter. Do you actually think a good offensive performance against Pitt will change anything? Please…
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That wasn't what I was suggesting. Rather, that going bowling might extend Gattis' employment another 3-5 weeks or so; as compared to if we lose Saturday, the season is over and hopefully the decision is made soon after.
 
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Easily the worst OC in history. Never seen anything this **** poor. This is historic. It will be a miracle if we only lose rashada with he damage done. Iowa can run circles around us. Let that sink in.
 
BoxingRobes said:
We are all aware of that.

...but to move on to the next chapter, removing Gattis is only going to change so much. That is a long standing tradition here at CanesInsight dot com...corches corches corches...but nothing ever changes. We are going to be 5-7 or 6-6 at the end of the regular season this year without generating big plays at all. We were 7-5 last season generating big plays. I'm not sure about you, but 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 is basically shopping in the same aisle in college football.

So, next year, where do the big plays come in? You can ditch Gattis and bring back everyone's favorite, Rhett Lashlee and I am not sure where there will be a big improvement in team wins. New playcaller is nice, but players are necessary.

From 2021 to 2022, we lost 48% of our receiving yards, 43% of our receiving touchdowns, 42% of rushing yards, 40% of our rushing TDs.

If things hold against Pitt...we essentially will have a total offensive output that - oddly enough - will be 45% lower than last year. 30% reduction in scoring offense. Again, part of that is on Gattis and the playcalling, but there is literally no one on this roster that has even attempted to replace those numbers. "Next Man Up!"...they didn't show up this year. And this roster had to replace a bunch of undrafted free agents that shouldered the load of that 45% (Rambo, Harley, Harris). So, imagine the dudes behind them (you've already seen them).

So, moving on to next season...who even steps up to replace those guys.

This is something @Coach Macho and others have discussed before...but since this is yet another thread on the same topic...it needs to be re-stated. You can replace Gattis with whoever you want. But if we are still trotting out what we've got or fail to get better players...this thing doesn't get better any time soon.
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48% of our receiving yards went undrafted.
Thats called doing more with less.

A team 3 plays away from winning 10 games last year
isnt bowl eligible and lost to MTSU this yr.... that's doing less with more....

100% on the coaches
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I remember after the Bethune game I sounded the alarms that we took zero deep shots and no explosive plays.

I was assured he was saving the playbook lol.

Never believe that one fellas. Bethune game told the story.
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Both can be true. Just because we don’t take deep shots doesn’t mean he showed his hand against Bethune. Not trying to defend Gattis but he did call new plays against A&M that we didn’t see before. It was just garbage.
 
JackOAT said:
48% of our receiving yards went undrafted.
Thats called doing more with less.

A team 3 plays away from winning 10 games last year
isnt bowl eligible and lost to MTSU this yr.... that's doing less with more....

100% on the coaches
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You, like many others on here, overestimate what we have on our roster. 2 of our top 3 leading wide receivers are our transfers (after Pitt, it may be the top 2 leading wide receivers)...our leading WR was a 2-star junior college late enrollee. That should tell you everything about the players underneath him...and is doing "more with less"...there is just a lot of "less" underneath* than you want to admit. Lashlee didn't get much more out of the players remaining on the roster either.

*not including Restrepo who'd likely be our leading receiver if not for injury.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
You, like many others on here, overestimate what we have on our roster. 2 of our top 3 leading wide receivers are our transfers (after Pitt, it may be the top 2 leading wide receivers)...our leading WR was a 2-star junior college late enrollee. That should tell you everything about the players underneath him...and is doing "more with less"...there is just a lot of "less" underneath* than you want to admit. Lashlee didn't get much more out of the players remaining on the roster either.

*not including Restrepo who'd likely be our leading receiver if not for injury.
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I didn't say anything about the talent on the roster.

I said the last staff was able to extract, not just a good season, but one of the best seasons statistically, from a receiver ever at this school... The one that produced Irvin, Dre, etc.

And he went UNDRAFTED. Not a lot of Uber talented guys going undrafted and out of the league.

Now, you're saying "you can't expect to get much out of this group because they're not good"

But that's exactly what the last staff did.

Ask yourself, is this staff maximizing the talent it has?

It sure as **** doesn't look that way. And if it isn't, why would I expect it to change when the roster is littered with 5 stars?

U guys say it yourself. He wasted the DE and Herbert at Oregon. Classic doing less with more
 
JackOAT said:
I didn't say anything about the talent on the roster.

I said the last staff was able to extract, not just a good season, but one of the best seasons statistically, from a receiver ever at this school... The one that produced Irvin, Dre, etc.

And he went UNDRAFTED. Not a lot of Uber talented guys going undrafted and out of the league.

Now, you're saying "you can't expect to get much out of this group because they're not good"

But that's exactly what the last staff did.

Ask yourself, is this staff maximizing the talent it has?

It sure as **** doesn't look that way. And if it isn't, why would I expect it to change when the roster is littered with 5 stars?

U guys say it yourself. He wasted the DE and Herbert at Oregon. Classic doing less with more
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What I'm saying is, is that if what we had on the roster was undrafted free agent fodder than the players behind them are far worse. Especially knowing now, that literally no one was able to step up and replace that production. Its not 100% on the coaches...everyone has come around on that at this point. No matter how bad Gattis is, he looks far worse by proxy of working with these players. It is what it is.

You're asking the wrong person with that bold question. I've been on this forum pounding the table that a lot of the talent on this team legit stinks and are a net negative to this team for a wide range of reasons. The only players that likely left anything on the table this year were injured...the QB and Xavier Restrepo. Outside of Leonard Taylor, you could punt everyone from the Manny Diaz era and replace them with someone from the portal and be a better team.

I don't need a galaxy brain moment...I just watch the games...and the mistakes that are made by the players on this team are too numerous to count. The player fvckups outweigh the bad playcalls by several multiples.
 
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