PFSN Rankings rates Miami's Offensive Line 10th in Nation? This is why PFSN Rankings loses credibility.

[Scott Taylor]

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Cam Mellor
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Our @PFSNcollege highest-graded offensive lines this season:
1) Texas A&M: 95.2
2) Ohio State: 92.1
3) Utah: 91.1
4) Arkansas: 90.5
4) Oregon: 90.5
6) Michigan: 89.1
7) USC: 88.6
8) Baylor: 88.2
9) Notre Dame: 88.1
10) Miami (FL): 88.0
11) Arizona State: 87.9
12) Virginia: 87.6
13) Cincinnati: 87.1
14) Arizona: 86.5
15) Missouri: 86.3

 

[caneingville]

It says Offensive LINES

 

[JHallCanes]

I’ve really never fully understood PFF OL grades

They’ll tell me there’s no pressures when there’s clearly pressures

We’ve had a **** ton of pre snap penalties

People here think Bell is a first rounder but his grades aren’t very good

I’m not saying they’re worthless I just gave up on them a long time ago. If you want to see how our OL is doing just read @Lance Roffers breakdowns (today better be the day!)

 

[SouthernM]

Not surprised who have the teams in front of us played? I don't believe they adjust for competition level and we have played the toughest schedule by far in this group. If anything it's more impressive that we're still in the top 10.

 

[Scott Taylor]

It says Offensive LINES

Thanks. I fixed Title

 

[CreativeCane]

Well they also gave Castellanos (25/45, 272, 2/2) a better score than Beck (20/27, 241, 4/0) last weekend when it was so clear who had the monster game and who was racking up garbage time points.

 

[caneingville]

Thanks. I fixed Title

Sorry...that was my mistake too...I need another cup of coffee!

I do agree that a big part of this is that our schedule was one of the toughest in the country so far, and that's what you're seeing in this.

Also, PFF metrics involve a lot of subjectivity with human graders. If you've never read what goes into it, you definitely should here: https://www.pff.com/grades

Summary:

The grading system grades “production” rather than traits or measurables, but they say it is supposed to grade the player's contribution to each and every play. So they have a team of analysts that are (allegedly) highly trained to be able to grade each position for each play during each game. Each position group has different standards (called "rules") as to what is expected of it on each play-basically how it is expected to perform. Zero is the expected ("average") grade for the position-here, Offensive Line. The grader can grade each player on each play up or down in 0.5 increments, on the scale of -2 to +2, again with 0 being the average/expected performance. They may end up making an adjustment to the grade if they feel a particular play's circumstances deem it worthy (again with more subjectivity), but that's the basic idea.

 

[sigmar]

To have Notre Dame in front of us is a total joke

 

[JHallCanes]

Sorry...that was my mistake too...I need another cup of coffee!

I do agree that a big part of this is that our schedule was one of the toughest in the country so far, and that's what you're seeing in this.

Also, PFF metrics involve a lot of subjectivity with human graders. If you've never read what goes into it, you definitely should here: https://www.pff.com/grades

Summary:

The grading system grades “production” rather than traits or measurables, but they say it is supposed to grade the player's contribution to each and every play. So they have a team of analysts that are (allegedly) highly trained to be able to grade each position for each play during each game. Each position group has different standards (called "rules") as to what is expected of it on each play-basically how it is expected to perform. Zero is the expected ("average") grade for the position-here, Offensive Line. The grader can grade each player on each play up or down in 0.5 increments, on the scale of -2 to +2, again with 0 being the average/expected performance. They may end up making an adjustment to the grade if they feel a particular play's circumstances deem it worthy (again with more subjectivity), but that's the basic idea.

I don’t know much about much but I do know that OL responsibilities on each play are sometimes never known to anyone other than the OL and Mirabal

So not sure how PFF grades this stuff so quickly

I think you can just as easily rewatch a bit of the game and get the general sense if an OL is playing well or not but I dunno

 

[caneingville]

I don’t know much about much but I do know that OL responsibilities on each play are sometimes never known to anyone other than the OL and Mirabal

So not sure how PFF grades this stuff so quickly

I think you can just as easily rewatch a bit of the game and get the general sense if an OL is playing well or not but I dunno

The other thing I find interesting about it is that is does it by position GROUP. But there are multiple positions within a group, and even though I'm a woman who never played myself so I defer to y'all on most of the Xs and Os stuff, I know enough to know there are differences between Center and Tackle and Guard. And how do they do it with DBs? DL? How do they account for a 3-4 defense v. a 4-3 and 3-3-5, etc? There's a lot that is suspect to me.

 

[bacane]

Arkansas is so good it has an interim head coach.

 

[Reyrey]

Gotta take PFF for what it’s worth. Penalties are a -1 on their grade. And we have had a lot. But you gotta account for the fact we have had a harder schedule than most on that list. It will even out and I bet we rise. But the variance between 91 (3) and 88 (10) is probably splitting hairs and them not knowing what the actual assignments are.

I’ll give a good example. Amare Williams had a pressure on Saturday. He rushed off the edge. Fletcher blocks him 5 yards into what looks like the B gap. G and C are blocking their assignment. But he keeps running in the lane gets a pressure. Is that his assignment and a miss on the Oline or did he got blocked and just happened to land in a whole. We don’t know if the Oline did or didn’t do their job there. So PFF grading it is kind of arbitrary

 

[Glow]

Isn't that PFSN thing different than PFF?

 

[Gi0logy]

I view PFF grades directionally, not literally.

For me, the point isn’t whether a unit is ranked 21st or 18th, it’s that they’re a top-25 group. And same goes for players...being in the top 10 speaks more to me than whether they’re 8th or 3rd.

And even then, I always take it with a grain of salt understanding there's some bias in this often.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

Our run blocking has not been as good as our pass blocking. I'd have us a bit higher, but that's what's holding us back.

 

[caneingville]

I view PFF grades directionally, not literally.

For me, the point isn’t whether a unit is ranked 21st or 18th, it’s that they’re a top-25 group. And same goes for players...being in the top 10 speaks more to me than whether they’re 8th or 3rd.

And even then, I always take it with a grain of salt understanding there's some bias in this often.

That's a great way to look at it.

 

[Dwinstitles]

They must have that FSU fan doing the grades, the guy who said miami had zero pressures. He probably watches every OL and grades them. Has to be the only answer

 

[CANEMC]

Arkansas is so good it has an interim head coach.

 

[JHallCanes]

The other thing I find interesting about it is that is does it by position GROUP. But there are multiple positions within a group, and even though I'm a woman who never played myself so I defer to y'all on most of the Xs and Os stuff, I know enough to know there are differences between Center and Tackle and Guard. And how do they do it with DBs? DL? How do they account for a 3-4 defense v. a 4-3 and 3-3-5, etc? There's a lot that is suspect to me.

(But really yes I have absolutely no clue either )

 

[caneingville]

Our run blocking has not been as good as our pass blocking. I'd have us a bit higher, but that's what's holding us back.

Another good point. I suspect this will "improve" in the metrics as we face the weaker defenses.