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Overrated and underrated players

not an al golden fan said:
6.7 yards per carry over his career? That's pretty amazing, especially considering the atrocious offensive lines he was running behind.
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LMAO... so you never actually watched or followed Miami football when Duke was here. That atrocious offensive line was fantastic. Littered with NFL talent. I’d kill to have a Linder, Henderson, Feliciano, Wheeler, Flowers, McDermott.... someone help me out, I’m sure I’m forgetting a few. You might want to “google” it and delete your post. 🤡
 
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Dorsey was certainly the beneficiary of playing with the best talent ever but to act like any bum could have won championships, is comical. He was a leader and made a bunch of clutch throws. Honestly, he’d probably struggle on a bad team because he couldn’t carry a team but to say Kirby Freeman would have done the same thing is ridiculous.
 
not an al golden fan said:
Duke Johnson tops my underrated list. He would have been a Heisman contender on better Canes teams.

For overrated, I go with Ken Dorsey. People always cite his record to prove how great he was, as if he really had much to do with it. Honestly, I think there’s about a 50/50 chance that the 2001 team would have won the national championship with Kirby Freeman as QB.
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What Ken Dorsey lacked in talent that jumped off the screen he made up for and then some in command and leadership. He was the ultimate game manager at the collegiate level..and calling him a game manager is not a knock..but as far as underrated guys Who could’ve been absolute national stars on better teams for us its Lamar Miller and Duke Johnson..overrated? I’ve never seen a player get more love in the fan base For a longer period of time then kosi
 
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Boarcane said:
LMAO... so you never actually watched or followed Miami football when Duke was here. That atrocious offensive line was fantastic. Littered with NFL talent. I’d kill to have a Linder, Henderson, Feliciano, Wheeler, Flowers, McDermott.... someone help me out, I’m sure I’m forgetting a few. You might want to “google” it and delete your post. 🤡
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That line was the last solid line we’ve had..but if you put duke behind Bryant, raj, Brett, bilba and gonzo..surrounded by the rest of the talent..I’m telling you Duke get a Invite to NY
 
not an al golden fan said:
Duke Johnson tops my underrated list. He would have been a Heisman contender on better Canes teams.

For overrated, I go with Ken Dorsey. People always cite his record to prove how great he was, as if he really had much to do with it. Honestly, I think there’s about a 50/50 chance that the 2001 team would have won the national championship with Kirby Freeman as QB.
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Ken Dorsey wasn't close to overrated. People forget that LEADERSHIP is a crucial requirement of the QB position. Dorsey was one of the vocal leaders on that team, he set the tone. He was the first in the facility every day, he was the last to leave. People may have been afraid of Ed Reed, but they respected Ken and didn't want to let him down.

Never mind the fact that Dorsey was the master of placing the ball where it needed to be, despite not having a strong arm. In that era, Dorsey was tossing darts.
 
not an al golden fan said:
Brady was drafted in the 5th round, and Brady was drafted that low because he wasn't that great of a college QB. Ask any Michigan fan.

Pretty much every great college QB is drafted highly in the pros. Plenty of high picks end up being being a bust in the pros (Tim Tebow, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Leinart), but they were still drafted highly, because people expected them to do well in the pros due to their great college career.

Your spot in the draft is an excellent sign of how good of a college player you were.
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Actually, your spot in the draft is an indication of what the scouts think you can be at the next level. College production matters somewhat, but it isn't the end all be all, like you are suggesting. Plenty of OUTSTANDING college players went late in the draft or not at all. It also comes down to your position. 99.9% of great college kickers aren't getting drafted in the 1st round, no matter what. That said, a guy like Jamarcus Russell, who was an okay college player will go 1st overall, merely because their physical talent stands out. Ken Dorsey didn't have the raw physical talent, but he was a highly intelligent player that could be a spot starter. That's exactly what he was at the NFL level. He hung around for years, despite not being a high end pick. That's not a bad career.
 
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not an al golden fan said:
Duke Johnson tops my underrated list. He would have been a Heisman contender on better Canes teams.

For overrated, I go with Ken Dorsey. People always cite his record to prove how great he was, as if he really had much to do with it. Honestly, I think there’s about a 50/50 chance that the 2001 team would have won the national championship with Kirby Freeman as QB.
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Is the Ken Dorsey = AJ McCarron thing ever gonna end? The guy probably should’ve won the Heisman. Just bc he wasn’t a great pro QB doesn’t mean he was a game manager. Give me the guy who’s accurate and clutch over the guy with a cannon who’s more athletic 10 outta 10 times.
 
Canedude08 said:
Actually, your spot in the draft is an indication of what the scouts think you can be at the next level. College production matters somewhat, but it isn't the end all be all, like you are suggesting. Plenty of OUTSTANDING college players went late in the draft or not at all. It also comes down to your position. 99.9% of great college kickers aren't getting drafted in the 1st round, no matter what. That said, a guy like Jamarcus Russell, who was an okay college player will go 1st overall, merely because their physical talent stands out. Ken Dorsey didn't have the raw physical talent, but he was a highly intelligent player that could be a spot starter. That's exactly what he was at the NFL level. He hung around for years, despite not being a high end pick. That's not a bad career.
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If there are plenty of great college players (other than kickers) who were drafted low, name them.

I honestly can’t think of any.

And Dorsey wasn’t a kicker. He was a QB. What does the low drafting of kickers have to do with Dorsey? QBs are the first position that NFL teams typically want to draft.
 
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The Canes were full of Pros in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006. And who did we have as a QB? Not Ken Dorsey. How did that work out for us? Now I know as well as everyone that Dorsey was limited. But there is something to be said for real leadership over a bunch of Alpha Males wanting to do their own thing. There is something to be said for hitting open recievers for first downs. There is something to be said for hitting open TE's over and over again for wins over FSU is their good days.
 
omaha said:
The Canes were full of Pros in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006. And who did we have as a QB? Not Ken Dorsey. How did that work out for us? Now I know as well as everyone that Dorsey was limited. But there is something to be said for real leadership over a bunch of Alpha Males wanting to do their own thing. There is something to be said for hitting open recievers for first downs. There is something to be said for hitting open TE's over and over again for wins over FSU is their good days.
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2003-05 wasn’t close to as talented as 01-02.

We had talented players those years, but we weren’t a Pro Bowl team playing in CFB anymore.
 
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not an al golden fan said:
If there are plenty of great college players (other than kickers) who were drafted low, name them.

I honestly can’t think of any.

And Dorsey wasn’t a kicker. He was a QB. What does the low drafting of kickers have to do with Dorsey? QBs are the first position that NFL teams typically want to draft.
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Danny Wuerffel
Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Tommie Frazier
Warren Moon
Roger Staubach*

Those were some of the guys that were drafted late, if at all. That is 4 Heisman winners, and someone that easily should have had one(Frazier) Granted, some of them were limited in regards to their physical skill set, or other reasons(military commitment), but they were all discounted.

If you are going to be a troll, at least do some basic research. Drafting isn't a referendum on college success, if that wasn't the case, guys like Jamarcus Russell wouldn't be going #1 overall. You can be a **** good college player, and max out AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.
 
Canedude08 said:
Danny Wuerffel
Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Tommie Frazier
Warren Moon
Roger Staubach*

Those were some of the guys that were drafted late, if at all. That is 4 Heisman winners, and someone that easily should have had one(Frazier) Granted, some of them were limited in regards to their physical skill set, or other reasons(military commitment), but they were all discounted.

If you are going to be a troll, at least do some basic research. Drafting isn't a referendum on college success, if that wasn't the case, guys like Jamarcus Russell wouldn't be going #1 overall. You can be a **** good college player, and max out AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.
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Don't even respond to the Azzwipe....The second he said Dorsey was Mediocre, I wanted to Slap him through my phone....
 
Canedude08 said:
Danny Wuerffel
Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Tommie Frazier
Warren Moon
Roger Staubach*

Those were some of the guys that were drafted late, if at all. That is 4 Heisman winners, and someone that easily should have had one(Frazier) Granted, some of them were limited in regards to their physical skill set, or other reasons(military commitment), but they were all discounted.

If you are going to be a troll, at least do some basic research. Drafting isn't a referendum on college success, if that wasn't the case, guys like Jamarcus Russell wouldn't be going #1 overall. You can be a **** good college player, and max out AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.
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Wuerfel was a 4th rounder (not a 7th founder), Staubach joined the Navy, Ward played in the NBA, Frazier had a blood clot, and God help you if you think Gino Toretta was a great CFB player. (I probably should have put Toretta on the overrated list, but I didn’t because I assumed everybody knew his Heisman was a joke.)

Staubach got teams to draft him in 1964 even though he wouldn’t actually be allowed to play until 1969. Imagine any team doing that for Dorsey.

Your list is ridiculous.
 
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