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Overrated and underrated past Cane teams

Schnellyfan said:
For underrated I’d say 1990. That was really the best team in the country. TBH, with Colorado basically having three losses and a tie (fifth down vs Mizzou and bogus clip call vs Notre Dame) and GT facing a weak ACC and only winning the Citrus Bowl, I think they should have been national champs.

Another underrated team is 1981. They faced a terrific scedule.

Some seasons I find to be overrated include 1985, 1992 and 2003. 1985’s main achievement was a rout of a Gerry Faust team. 1992 wasn’t that good even in the regular season. 2003 was mostly living off the rep of the 00-02 teams.

However, none of them are even close to as overrated as 2017.
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Troll.
 
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Schnellyfan said:
For underrated I’d say 1990. That was really the best team in the country. TBH, with Colorado basically having three losses and a tie (fifth down vs Mizzou and bogus clip call vs Notre Dame) and GT facing a weak ACC and only winning the Citrus Bowl, I think they should have been national champs.

Another underrated team is 1981. They faced a terrific scedule.

Some seasons I find to be overrated include 1985, 1992 and 2003. 1985’s main achievement was a rout of a Gerry Faust team. 1992 wasn’t that good even in the regular season. 2003 was mostly living off the rep of the 00-02 teams.

However, none of them are even close to as overrated as 2017.
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Pls Stfu.
 
Schnellyfan said:
That was largely because the scedule got easier. And if you were to make a list of overrated Canes players, Ken Dorsey would probably be #1. There’s a reason why he went in the 7th round.
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I agree with everything but the last part... That beginning schedule in 99 was fierce!!! That last part of the schedule besides and gtech in the bowl was meh.... But either way I'd rather have had Dorsey than Kelly.... Dorsey wasn't overrated
 
Schnellyfan said:
Good lord. Tim Tebow or Matt Leinart would have cruised to 3 straight undefeated titles if they were surrounded by the talent that Dorsey was. Even Jim Kelly or Steve Walsh would have won 3 titles, if you want to talk about Cane QBs.

God. I know things are getting really ridiculous when people are arguing that Dorsey is an all time great QB. News alert: All time great college QBs don’t get drafted in round 7.

Frankly,Dorsey isn’t even the best Canes QB this millennium, since Kaaya was better than Dorsey.

Kaaya actually had higher Yards per attempt than Dorsey, playing with far less surrounding talent.
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Name me a great QB. Using your logic, name me a “great QB”
 
bshaw28 said:
Most glaring example of what a QB can do for you

1999 team started 5-4 with Kenny Kelly as a starter. Average score in those games was 28 to 22.
1999 team ended 4-0 with Ken Dorsey as a starter. Average score in those games was 46 to 7.

Ken Dorsey took a 5-4 team and proceeded to go 39-2 as a starter.
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With all respect to Dorsey his three regular-season starts were home games against Rutgers (1-10), Syracuse (7-5), and Temple (2-9).
 
Dutch said:
Name me a great QB. Using your logic, name me a “great QB”
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I just named great QBs like Tebow, Leinart, Jim Kelly or Steve Walsh.

Honestly the latter 2 don’t belong in the same sentence as the former 2, but I was just trying to show that 2 former Canes QBs who nobody would put on “top 5 college QB of all time” lists would have been able to accomplish more from 00-02 than Dorsey.
 
Schnellyfan said:
Dorsey was a so-so QB surrounded by a whole lot of Oline, RB and wide receiver talent. IDK why people don’t realize that.

If we had a truly great QB from 00-02, we would have gone undefeated and won the title all 3 years. The Washington loss never happens, so Bowden never cheats his way into the NC game. Nobody ever hears of Terry Porter after 2002. And, frankly, we don’t even have close calls like BC in 2001 and FSU in 2002. (Both of which we’re close because Dorsey had a bad day.)
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Ken had the one essential talent that all Miami great QBs had, he was a leader. Like Steve he was chaeted out of back to back NCs. Vinny and Kelly were our two best QBs -- zero titles between them. Love the m both but give me Ken or Steve any time. Many say ST was GOAT Cane and it is hard to argue otherwise but he was who cost us the OSU game. He had the winning play in his hand let a pick six turn into another change for OSU. Ed Reed scores six on that play. Did Ken have great team, oh yeah greatest ever, but he was part of the reason. How the heck did Geno not win two in a row -- Our other Heisman winner. Didn't Vinny have a great team? I seem to remember them being a little better than fair.
 
Rellyrell said:
Pls Stfu.
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Schnellyfan said:
Good lord. Tim Tebow or Matt Leinart would have cruised to 3 straight undefeated titles if they were surrounded by the talent that Dorsey was. Even Jim Kelly or Steve Walsh would have won 3 titles, if you want to talk about Cane QBs.

God. I know things are getting really ridiculous when people are arguing that Dorsey is an all time great QB. News alert: All time great college QBs don’t get drafted in round 7.

Frankly,Dorsey isn’t even the best Canes QB this millennium, since Kaaya was better than Dorsey.

Kaaya actually had higher Yards per attempt than Dorsey, playing with far less surrounding talent.
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Tebow and Leinart had really good teams so why didn't they get those titles? Who ever won three straight undefeated titles? OU won 47 in a row(the record) but only two titles. Ken 34 wins is the longest since OU's and second to that in modern history. I could be wrong but I don't think either of your heroes came anywhere close to the top 20 winning streaks.
 
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Gatorhater said:
Tebow and Leinart had really good teams so why didn't they get those titles? Who ever won three straight undefeated titles? OU won 47 in a row(the record) but only two titles. Ken 34 wins is the longest since OU's and second to that in modern history. I could be wrong but I don't think either of your heroes came anywhere close to the top 20 winning streaks.
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They weren’t surrounded by the same talent Dorsey was. Good lord.

Anyway, let’s get back on topic and discuss overrated and underrated Canes teams. Rather than discussing if a 7th rounder is one of the best college QBs of all time.
 
TemplarCane said:
With all respect to Dorsey his three regular-season starts were home games against Rutgers (1-10), Syracuse (7-5), and Temple (2-9).
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And we won:

Rutgers 55-0
Syracuse 45-13
Temple 55-0


But it's definitely a good point to that those teams didn't have the best records.

IMO - the difference is beating a 7-5 Syracuse team by 32 looks pretty good when compared to Kenny Kelly's results.

When Kelly was QB:

- 33 was the most we put up in any game
- Miami was #12 pre-season - and started 2-3, and then 5-4
- East Carolina (9-3) - We blew a 23-3 halftime lead to lose 27-23.
- Boston College (8-4) - we fell behind 28-0 before coming back to win 31-28
- West Virginia (4-7) - we were down 13-0 at halftime. We won 28-20, but WVU had the ball on our 20 at the end of the game and threw an INT in the end zone.

Kelly completed 54.4% and threw 15 TD 14 INT. Dorsey completed 61.7% and threw 10 TD 2 INT.

That was a loaded offense with Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis & Bubba Franks. But it couldn't get going until Dorsey became the QB.

If you look at how bad Kenny Kelly was before Dorsey, or how bad Brock Berlin was after Dorsey - it makes you appreciate what Dorsey did.
 
bshaw28 said:
And we won:

Rutgers 55-0
Syracuse 45-13
Temple 55-0


But it's definitely a good point to that those teams didn't have the best records.

IMO - the difference is beating a 7-5 Syracuse team by 32 looks pretty good when compared to Kenny Kelly's results.

When Kelly was QB:

- 33 was the most we put up in any game
- Miami was #12 pre-season - and started 2-3, and then 5-4
- East Carolina (9-3) - We blew a 23-3 halftime lead to lose 27-23.
- Boston College (8-4) - we fell behind 28-0 before coming back to win 31-28
- West Virginia (4-7) - we were down 13-0 at halftime. We won 28-20, but WVU had the ball on our 20 at the end of the game and threw an INT in the end zone.

Kelly completed 54.4% and threw 15 TD 14 INT. Dorsey completed 61.7% and threw 10 TD 2 INT.

That was a loaded offense with Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis & Bubba Franks. But it couldn't get going until Dorsey became the QB.

If you look at how bad Kenny Kelly was before Dorsey, or how bad Brock Berlin was after Dorsey - it makes you appreciate what Dorsey did.
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Kenny Kelly had limitations and clearly not as good as Dorsey, but he wasn’t awful. He started as the Canes’ resurgence started, having to mature at the same time as the players you mentioned. Dorsey walked into a perfect situation. Moss and Wayne were seniors for Dorsey’s first season. The 2000 OL matured and added Bryant McKinnie. Franks was a first round pick after 1999, playing mostly with Kelly. The Canes were competitive with #1 FSU in Tally, and lost a heartbreaker at home to #3 Penn State. Miami did not lose those games soley because of Kelly. The Canes weren’t rolled by VT soley because of Kelly.
 
I think 1992 was easily the most overrated team, among the Miami teams that contended for a title. That team simply couldn't run the ball at all...2 yards in the win vs. Arizona, 65 vs. Florida State and 58 vs. Syracuse. Not one game reached 200 yards rushing and only 3.5 yards per rush for the season.

It was another season we drew the wrong opponent in the bowl game. Miami was not fortunate enough to face uptempo offensive teams in title games in which we were vulnerable. Instead -- identical to 1986 and 2002 -- we had the misfortune of drawing a blue collar kryptonite team. Alabama led the nation in rush defense and had allowed more than 11 points only twice all season.

I think 1982 was one of the most underrated Canes teams. That season tends to be forgotten. We lost 4 games but all were to ranked teams and 3 of the losses were by a field goal or less. Obviously the team deflated after Kelly got hurt against Virginia Tech. Late season nobody in town seemed to care. Attendance was miserable. The Dolphins were legitimate contenders for the first time in years so that's where all the attention was. But I remember feeling good about the program, primarily because we had held up defensively all season. Normally in a disappointing season you'll have games in which the defense doesn't show up at all and gets thumped.
 
TemplarCane said:
Kenny Kelly had limitations and clearly not as good as Dorsey, but he wasn’t awful. He started as the Canes’ resurgence started, having to mature at the same time as the players you mentioned. Dorsey walked into a perfect situation. Moss and Wayne were seniors for Dorsey’s first season. The 2000 OL matured and added Bryant McKinnie. Franks was a first round pick after 1999, playing mostly with Kelly. The Canes were competitive with #1 FSU in Tally, and lost a heartbreaker at home to #3 Penn State. Miami did not lose those games soley because of Kelly. The Canes weren’t rolled by VT soley because of Kelly.
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KK had a Good Arm...But Covingtons was better in my opinion...Dorsey wrecked Greentree Spring/Summer of 99...giving a glimpse of the future...
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I think 1992 was easily the most overrated team, among the Miami teams that contended for a title. That team simply couldn't run the ball at all...2 yards in the win vs. Arizona, 65 vs. Florida State and 58 vs. Syracuse. Not one game reached 200 yards rushing and only 3.5 yards per rush for the season.

It was another season we drew the wrong opponent in the bowl game. Miami was not fortunate enough to face uptempo offensive teams in title games in which we were vulnerable. Instead -- identical to 1986 and 2002 -- we had the misfortune of drawing a blue collar kryptonite team. Alabama led the nation in rush defense and had allowed more than 11 points only twice all season.

I think 1982 was one of the most underrated Canes teams. That season tends to be forgotten. We lost 4 games but all were to ranked teams and 3 of the losses were by a field goal or less. Obviously the team deflated after Kelly got hurt against Virginia Tech. Late season nobody in town seemed to care. Attendance was miserable. The Dolphins were legitimate contenders for the first time in years so that's where all the attention was. But I remember feeling good about the program, primarily because we had held up defensively all season. Normally in a disappointing season you'll have games in which the defense doesn't show up at all and gets thumped.
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The 81 team trumps that...beat 5 Ranked teams including #1 Penn St....Horrendous officiating in 2 losses (makes 2002 OSU game look harmless) cost us a NC.....We would have throttled Clemson in NC....
 
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El Bambino Cane said:
This has to be one of the dumbest things ever posted here. All I can say to you is that you don’t know football. Like at all. Retire
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I remember people hyping up Berlin as the NFL caliber QB that would show the world what a real UM QB looked like. Sometimes we don't know what we've got until it's gone. I'd kill to have Dorsey back.
 
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