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Our Safety's will ensure that this is a top 5 D

The thread title is a very hot take, but hey I love the optimism. Our safeties certainly have elite level talent we just haven't seen the production match up, if they can do that I can definitely see us with a top 5 defense.

We should also account for the fact that we aren't exactly playing offensive juggernauts this season and the best offense we're likely to play is UNC, and I can't wait to see GR15, Roche, and Phillips taking turns throwing Howell to the ground.
 
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We are very athletic at the 3 levels. I think we will finally see “Miami speed” on D. Corner is a little weak but outside of that I expect elite dline play, Elite saftey play, & very athletic LB’s.
 
JgDaCane said:
We are very athletic at the 3 levels. I think we will finally see “Miami speed” on D. Corner is a little weak but outside of that I expect elite dline play, Elite saftey play, & very athletic LB’s.
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Ivey, maybe, but I don't think Blades is weak. I actually think he is coming into his own now.
 
Bolden is an elite player. When he was on the field, the defense played at a higher level. Hall has to show me he's near that level.
 
filmcane said:
Ivey, maybe, but I don't think Blades is weak. I actually think he is coming into his own now.
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As a unit they’ll be our weakness imo. Hopefully I’m wrong. I don’t like Ivery & nickel is still a mystery although I do like Couch alot.
 
Astcloud11 said:
One thing I've noticed from watching Diaz's defense over the years....There are 3 main ingredients to success, and everything else is just icing on the cake.

1. Solid or highly disruptive play from the DEFENSIVE TACKLE spot as opposed to just anyone on the line. Only a DOMINATE performance from the DE or blitzing LB's can replicate what this does for our defense.
2. Safeties utilizing correct pursuit angles, playing their coverage's correctly, and being a sure-tackler among anything else.
3. Avoiding plays where our LB's blitz a gap already covered by another defender. That kills our run defense just as much as missing tackles.
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correct. which is why it is frustrating as to point 3 to see a linebacker run into the back of another defender trying to cover the same gap. That has happened often enough that it makes you wonder if they are assigned gaps or if it comes down to who can reach the gap first. The frequency of to linebackers in the same gap dropped as Shaq and Pink became experienced, but next year could be a problem with all relatively new guys.
 
ThomasM said:
I get what you're saying, but we still need to stop the run. Especially early in games. If we can't, teams will gladly run it down our throats and eat up as much clock as possible to keep Lashlee and King off the field.

That being said, I think our DL will be a huge strength. We should be fine agains the run.
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Fair take
 
3FW said:
Bolden is an elite player. When he was on the field, the defense played at a higher level. Hall has to show me he's near that level.
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We're going to need Bolden to be the free ranging type player on the back end, reading where the qb is going with the ball. I suspect Hall will be needed closer to the line to help out the young linebackers and be that thumper in the run game.
 
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CFLCane said:
Op conveniently left out the weakest part of the defense. LB
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I think this crop of LBs is considerably faster than Shaq and Pinckney. Whether they have the same football skills is another question, but you will see more speed on the field.
 
Safeties play a huge role in run game. Inevitably, there will be a few times a game that a LB jumps the wrong gap and leaves a gaping hole. That is where our safeties need to limit the damage to a 10 yard gain. Redwine and Johnson were great at that. We need Hall and Bolden to be as great.
 
Gilbert Frierson, I would hope the coaches would move him back to corner; As a recruit he was unanimously one of the higher ranked/athletic corners [4, stars]. I believe he went through a lot of nagging injuries his first summer, then he was moved into the striker role for the 2019 season. When Manny Diaz was the defensive play caller, Mark Richt retirement took everyone by surprise. Mike Jackson playing primarily on the one side of the defense with Malek Young as still a undersized outside corner was one of the best man to man corners as a true freshman, & Trajan Bandy in the slot.

Gurvan Hall, Bubba Bolden, Keontra Smith, Amari Carter, and Avantae Williams; The defensive line and the defensive backs should be one of the best units next year; Three of the defensive tackle recruits last year was more of a red-shirt season & Jordan Miller was thought to have needed 2 years in Miami's weight & conditioning program.. The line backer depth might be an issue like Mark Richt's first year.

Mike Rumph helped coach Mike Jackson into one of the better college corners to the point the cowboys drafted him in the 5th round. Really though his second to last year with Miami had him projected as a potential pre season, 1st rounder. Amari Carter should be used at the striker position.
 
If our DTs play solid this year, our defense should be fine.

To me it always - always - starts with the DTs.

Hopefully Stroud can coach them up.

And get another solid DL class in '21.
 
filmcane said:
Manny requires top play from his safeties in order for his D to work consistently, and this year, with Garvan and Bolden, we have two veteran players, who form our most athletic S unit since....Maybe as far back as 2004.

The DL will be the splashy party of our D, because they will be so dominant, but Manny's Safety's are the ones who ultimately determine the effectiveness and consistency of our D and this crew will (fingers crossed) be better than the studs we had in 2018.
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I'm really not understanding what you've seen from the DT's to justify the DL as a whole being dominant.

Until proven otherwise, there's no Norton, McIntosh or Willis at DT.
 
Gotta love the off-season. I expect Hall and Bolden to both be the convo for the Thorpe this year the way you guys hyping them. Why can't we just wait and let these guys prove it before we crown them.
 
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CashMoneyCane said:
I'm really not understanding what you've seen from the DT's to justify the DL as a whole being dominant.

Until proven otherwise, there's no Norton, McIntosh or Willis at DT.
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The top DE rushing unit in the country and I expect our DT's to take the next step aided by the pressure from the edge and they themselves getting older and stronger.
 
filmcane said:
The top DE rushing unit in the country and I expect our DT's to take the next step aided by the pressure from the edge and they themselves getting older and stronger.
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So, until proven otherwise...

I think the DT rotation should be improved, but unless someone steps up as the alpha, they're far from an elite unit. Ford and Miller are intriguing, but at this point Nesta is more bark than bite.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
So, until proven otherwise...

I think the DT rotation should be improved, but unless someone steps up as the alpha, they're far from an elite unit. Ford and Miller are intriguing, but at this point Nesta is more bark than bite.
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Nesta Silvera was in line to be a starter week-one, or at the very least play the majority of the snaps until he suffered a injury right before the seasons first game; Plus he was a true freshman. Also the same thing happened with Jon Ford, bad timing with their injuries.

Way to many of every fan base just instantly forget football in division one, and the NFL is the ultimate team sport; Jordan Miller was expected to need two full seasons in Miami's weight & conditions program, besides the fact the - Three incoming defensive tackles from 2019's recruiting class.. The plan was always going to be a red-shirt season.
 
afan said:
Nesta Silvera was in line to be a starter week-one, or at the very least play the majority of the snaps until he suffered a injury right before the seasons first game; Plus he was a true freshman. Also the same thing happened with Jon Ford, bad timing with their injuries.

Way to many of every fan base just instantly forget football in division one, and the NFL is the ultimate team sport; Jordan Miller was expected to need two full seasons in Miami's weight & conditions program, besides the fact the - Three incoming defensive tackles from 2019's recruiting class.. The plan was always going to be a red-shirt season.
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Nesta is a Junior man. It's not like he broke his back.

You're still only talking about potential. I'm tired of potential at Miami anymore -- it very rarely pans out. We could write a list of 100 Canes players over the past 20 years that had tons of potential and did nothing with it.

The question I posed is what have you SEEN from the DT's to justify the DL as a whole being dominant?

I have yet to see any of our DT's dominate quality competition at the college level.
 
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