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Our Next HC Must Be Elite At Something. (Period)

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cleverjdub said:
Lol sounds like you are not current with the times sir or you are in denial. It’s ok. You probably should look up what candidate and model means as well.
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Hahaha. He isn’t similar to Dabo. You said it. Keep in mind, that wasn’t year 1 for Mario. He already was fired from FIU.
 
1mg of Epi said:
After the last two coaches I’ll take elite Xs and Os over elite recruiting.
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1mg of Epi said:
After the last two coaches I’ll take elite Xs and Os over elite recruiting.
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I will take either. We have not had an elite coach in either category since Butch. Some propably think and thought that Richt was an elite recruiter, but all you have to do is look at what Smart did after Richt was fired from UGA. Smart landed the #1 recruiting class in the nation in year 1 at UGA something Richt never accomplished in 15 years ( I believe he only finished inside the top 5 once in 15 years) and 2 Smart made a national championship appeareance in year 2 (although he lost to bama), something else Richt never sniffed in his 15 years at UGA.
 
cleverjdub said:
I will take either. We have not had an elite coach in either category since Butch. Some propably think and thought that Richt was an elite recruiter, but all you have to do is look at what Smart did after Richt was fired from UGA. Smart landed the #1 recruiting class in the nation in year 1 at UGA something Richt never accomplished in 15 years ( I believe he only finished inside the top 5 once in 15 years) and 2 Smart made a national championship appeareance in year 2 (although he lost to bama), something else Richt never sniffed in his 15 years at UGA.
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Richt is definitely not an elite recruiter. That’s laughable.

Here at UM We’ve seen more talented teams consistently lose to less talented ones. The reason is they were outschemed. Obviously you want both elite crootin and Xs and Os, but if I could have just one, it’d be Elite scheming.

CFB is no longer a Jimmys and joes game.
 
Twhizman said:
We are in a dreadful situation to climb out of it change must be made.fans are going have to face the fact when change does come the team and new hc probably won't have instant success.going to take some time for any decent hc to clean up this mess.
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How sad that this exact post could have been made in 2006, 2010 and 2015.
 
cleverjdub said:
Our current and previous HC situations tells us that our next HC has to be elite at something. In the current college football world the top coaches are either elite recruiters, elite coordinators / X and O's coaches, or elite at both. If you look at all of our past HC's since Butch, non of them have been elite in any of the two categories ( a very small argument can be made for Randy being elite at X and O's, but I would say he is a notch below elite due to his stubbornness and laziness he displayed as a HC ).

Take a look at the HC's who have made the college football playoffs since its existence.

Nick Saban - obviously he is elite at both recruiting and X and O's
Dabo Swinney - obviously an elite recruiter but I would argue that he is not elite at X and O's having never been a coordinator. (How do you augment this by hiring elite coordinators at X and Os to surround yourself with)
Urban Meyer - Elite at both
Jimbo Fisher - Elite at both
Chip Kelly - Elite at X and O's (got the max out of his players at Oregon despite not being the top recruiting class)
Bob Stoops - Probably Elite at both, for sure elite at X and O's
Mark Dantonio - Elite at X and O's (influence heavily by Saban, so enough said)
Chris Petersen - Elite at X and O's
Kirby Smart - Elite at both
Lincoln Riley - Elite at X and O's and probably elite at both now for sure due to offensive production on the field and 2 consecutive Heisman Trophy winnners.
Brian Kelly - Maybe an outlier but I think his history shows from all the coaching stops shows he is elite or near elite at X and O's. Of course the university that he coaches at also has some prestige to add when it come to recruiting.


If you look at Richt he is neither elite at recruiting or X and O's as he has let the game pass him by with the later.

Our next HC must be elite at either recruiting or X and O's and smart of enough to balance out his staff to augment which ever area he may not be elite in.

So if we consider coaching candidates like Mario Cristobal for our next HC when the time comes, he is obviously an elite recruiter and would need to surround himself with elite X and O guys for that formula to work.

Or if we consider candidates like Manny Diaz or other candidates who have been elite coordinators or X and O guys on either side of the ball ,we need to pair them with great recruiters while they are hands on with what ever side of the ball they are elite on to ensure that we stay elite in the phase of the game.

Looking back at our 2016 coaching search that produced Mark Richt, our administration missed and had three candidates that were elite at one of the two in Butch, Mario, and Mullen.

We don't need to make the same mistake twice when the time comes.
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I wouldn't say Smart is elite at xs and os. Too many corch decisions.
 
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mirvin88 said:
I wouldn't say Smart is elite at xs and os. Too many corch decisions.
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What your are questioning is his game management decisions, not his Xs and Os. Two different things. It really don’t pass the giggle test if you think his Xs and Os and scheme on defense is not elite lol.

And even with the game management mishaps he has had recently, his team has played for the championship in 2 seasons as a HC and had a chance compete to make the CFB Playoffs this season before and after the SEC Championship loss.

I’m sure most of us fans would take a coach that competes for a chance to make the playoffs consistently versus what we currently have. That’s all we can ask for and Smart is delivering in that area.

Me personally I like a coach who is aggressive and tries to go win the game versus a passive coach, I will take that with the flaws that come with it any day vs a coach like we have now who tries to chew the clock at starting in the 3rd qtr if we have any sort of lead.

Think about this had Tua not performed the way he did as a freshman in the championship game after taking over for Hurts, that move would have been questioned for any coach outside of the great Saban ( only because he has built up so much clout) had he not performed well and won. It take balls and an aggressive mentality to do that in that situation, which are some of the characteristics I want in my coach.
 
The current head coach is elite at losing games you have no business losing.
 
ItsACanesThing7 said:
Not sure if this was said, but only one solely "Elite Recruiter" on the list, and he has an incredible DC
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And that is a way that it can work if your HC is not elite at Xs and Os or has never been a coordinator but is elite as a Recruiter only (which equals being able to relate to players and recruits).

Good observation no one has said that, but the OP observed that which is why the explanation beside it spells out its working due to him having elite coordinators to supplement his elite recruiting.
 
Bump! Now that we are back in the market.

Any HC candidate need to check one of these boxes or they shouldn’t be considered. It’s simple the results show this is how we get back to greatness.
 
cleverjdub said:
Bump! Now that we are back in the market.

Any HC candidate need to check one of these boxes or they shouldn’t be considered. It’s simple the results show this is how we get back to greatness.
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Matt Campbell
 
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Zbrod95 said:
Matt Campbell
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He would be the 4th option. Too risky when you have options who you already know are elite at 1 of the 2.

My list would be:

1a. Mario Cristobal
1b. Butch Davis
2. Manny Diaz
3a. Lane Kiffin
3b. Matt Campbell
 
cleverjdub said:
He would be the 4th option. Too risky when you have options who you already know are elite at 1 of the 2.

My list would be:

1a. Mario Cristobal
1b. Butch Davis
2. Manny Diaz
3a. Lane Kiffin
3b. Matt Campbell
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Your list looks like previous candidate pools that have led to failure.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Your list looks like previous candidate pools that have led to failure.
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They all have one of the elite traits. Matt Campbell is good coach but he is also is risky. He is hot right now which could turn out to be a fad.

Mario, Butch and Lane have proven to be elite recruiters over time. They have a Resume to show for it. Manny has shown his growth of being an elite coordinator since his arrival Miami coupled with his stints at LATECH and Miss St.

Matt Campbell has been impressive in time at Iowa State but not enough time has passed to be sure it will last. Honestly what makes his winning different than what Al Golden did at Temple (granted I think he is a far better coach) but we need proven elite traits. I’m afraid of the hot name we tried that already with Golden and it didn’t work. The others already understand Miami and its advantages and disadbantages which is a unique and has to be exploited correctly.
 
cleverjdub said:
They all have one of the elite traits. Matt Campbell is good coach but he is also is risky. He is hot right now which could turn out to be a fad.

Mario, Butch and Lane have proven to be elite recruiters over time. They have a Resume to show for it. Manny has shown his growth of being an elite coordinator since his arrival Miami coupled with his stints at LATECH and Miss St.

Matt Campbell has been impressive in time at Iowa State but not enough time has passed to be sure it will last. Honestly what makes his winning different than what Al Golden did at Temple (granted I think he is a far better coach) but we need proven elite traits. I’m afraid of the hot name we tried that already with Golden and it didn’t work. The others already understand Miami and its advantages and disadbantages which is a unique and has to be exploited correctly.
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The fact he was a 10 win coach at Toledo...
 
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