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OT -Went to the Rams-Chiefs game...

Our players can barely lineup correctly and we should implement Sean McVay’s offense? Sounds like a good idea. A better investment would be in K-12 education.
 
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k9cane said:
what a show, a great night of entertainment

Some things stood out - the concepts of Reid and McVery are insane, the route combos, the play-calling, the overall system. I loved my end zone seats, as you could see plays develop and their formations. Goff and Mahomes are special, they both have real arm talent but do it in different ways

- the crossing routes were killing both teams and when you layer your routes and threaten all parts of the field, you have wide open spaces in which to get guys running free. Yeah, crossing routes, ya don't say...

- both teams basically did the bulk of their work in the spread. Yeah, imagine that.

- Love the way Reid moves Tyreek Hill all over the chess board.

- Coaching matters. Under Jeff Fisher, Goff looked like a complete bust. Now with McVey, he is a surgeon. Yeah, systems, concepts and play-calling matters. Funny, he's now 'executing' at a high level when he looked like he couldn't play just 2 years ago. His anticipation and ability to throw guys open is unreal. You don't appreciate it till you see it from the end zone perspective for a full game

- Oh, are people still talking about boycotting the NFL?

-As much as I admire coach McVey, IMO, he got away from Gurley and it nearly cost him

- but overall a great experience to be at this game(I hadn't been to a NFL game in decades,), seems like our city has finally embraced the Rams.

- and finally, it's too bad it was past Richt's bed time, he could've learned something( sorry, couldn't resist)
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#FreeKaep
 
Salt said:
holding any college team and coach to NFL standards is pretty high bench mark. I am ok with the comparisons. Keeping it to the college level is sufficient for comparing college players and coaches. Holding a college coach and players to professional standards and skill level is a bit much. It's why in comparison a smaller number of coaches and players even get to sniff the pro ranks. Just adding some perspective here. Too bad that even in an OT message and fine recap of a pro game, Richt hate can still seep in.
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its funny, because as others have pointed out- guys like Reid and McVey are actually running a lot of college concepts

And yeah, Richt sucks, that's my opinion that I'll state on a Miami Hurricane message board
 
k9cane said:
its funny, because as others have pointed out- guys like Reid and McVey are actually running a lot of college concepts

And yeah, Richt sucks, that's my opinion that I'll state on a Miami Hurricane message board
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comparing to Reid and McVey a lot of coaches fall short. And they are also working with high level professional athletes. Like I said you don't have to go there to make comparisons. But you still do to make a point Richt sucks. Like using a shotgun as an insect repellant. Unnecessary, but you can still do it I suppose.
 
Salt said:
comparing to Reid and McVey a lot of coaches fall short. And they are also working with high level professional athletes. Like I said you don't have to go there to make comparisons. But you still do to make a point Richt sucks. Like using a shotgun as an insect repellant. Unnecessary, but you can still do it I suppose.
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yeah, because Richt sucks like a Hoover
 
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cooks002 said:
Our players can barely lineup correctly and we should implement Sean McVay’s offense? Sounds like a good idea. A better investment would be in K-12 education.
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You don't need to implement McVay's entire offense to succeed in college football.

Chip Kelly used to win with way less talent based on a similar set of principles, and he was able to do it because he ran simple, effective concepts that drove defenses nuts.

Jeff Thomas is every bit as good as Tyreek Hill or Brandin Cooks, it is shocking we do not find ways to use him more effectively.
 
LuCane said:
Mcvay's primary advantage is a philosophy of attack and the ability to process information so quickly he's able to continuously execute the philosophy. He's smart as can be for an NFL coach and yet surrounds himself with some of the sharpest eyes in the game. It's impressive to observe at such an early part of his career. Presume the trajectory will level off, but like Sean Payton once did, Mcvay seems the type to reinvent or tweak a scheme to fit a broader, aggressive philosophy. We're a universe away from that as a program (at least offensively).
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Interested in your take on this Lu...lot of conjecture that the way forward for a guy like McVay is to draft guys like Goff in the first round (essentially system QBs), groom for a few years and then trade before they come up for an extension. With the pick you get in the trade you just draft the next version of Goff. Sounds interesting to me but not sure if I am under-valuing Goff.
 
cowboycane said:
You don't need to implement McVay's entire offense to succeed in college football.

Chip Kelly used to win with way less talent based on a similar set of principles, and he was able to do it because he ran simple, effective concepts that drove defenses nuts.

Jeff Thomas is every bit as good as Tyreek Hill or Brandin Cooks, it is shocking we do not find ways to use him more effectively.
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Glad someone understands this, not once was it stated that UM needs to implement McVey's full playbook. but certain concepts which are being used at many levels of football. You have restored my faith in this fine forum
 
k9cane said:
Glad someone understands this, not once was it stated that UM needs to implement McVey's full playbook. but certain concepts which are being used at many levels of football. You have restored my faith in this fine forum
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People are absolutists up in here. If your argument is "we will never be able to execute the entire NFL playbook therefore we should try none of it" you are doing it wrong.

Guess us Angelenos have to stick together.
 
cowboycane said:
People are absolutists up in here. If your argument is "we will never be able to execute the entire NFL playbook therefore we should try none of it" you are doing it wrong.

Guess us Angelenos have to stick together.
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BTw, your point about Goff maybe being interchangeable in McVey's system, well, to a certain degree I see what you're saying. McVey would absolutely get a lot of mileage out of a lot of QBs and make them at least serviceable. But I do believe Goff has elite touch, accuracy and feel. With him, while he fits the system, his success isn't just about the system. This guy really has 'it' as a QB and as you see games live and you see how he anticipates throws in person, you begin to understand what makes him good
 
cowboycane said:
People are absolutists up in here. If your argument is "we will never be able to execute the entire NFL playbook therefore we should try none of it" you are doing it wrong.

Guess us Angelenos have to stick together.
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Some will go to any lengths to defend Richt.

They cannot defend Richt’s losing so they will try to delegitimize everything else. Even going as far to suggest Andy Reid is not a great offense mind.

That tells you all you need to know.
 
brock said:
Richt... you hear that?

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Exactly. So tired of our mid 90's run, run, pass, punt offense. It is outdated and guarantees that we will be in dogfights with teams that we should be easily beating unless we get 4 turnovers and return a punt for a TD each game.
 
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NE Canes said:
Some will go to any lengths to defend Richt.

They cannot defend Richt’s losing so they will try to delegitimize everything else. Even going as far to suggest Andy Reid is not a great offense mind.

That tells you all you need to know.
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The Branch Richtian Cult of Coral Gables is loyal, I will say that.

They will drink any Kool-Aid served to them
 
k9cane said:
BTw, your point about Goff maybe being interchangeable in McVey's system, well, to a certain degree I see what you're saying. McVey would absolutely get a lot of mileage out of a lot of QBs and make them at least serviceable. But I do believe Goff has elite touch, accuracy and feel. With him, while he fits the system, his success isn't just about the system. This guy really has 'it' as a QB and as you see games live and you see how he anticipates throws in person, you begin to understand what makes him good
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That's the part I was probably underestimating. However I think back to last draft. For instance, if McVay trades two more years of affordable Goff to Arizona for the 13th pick, he could have drafted Rosen or Jackson for even cheaper than he has Goff and probably picked up an extra 1 next year.

Obviously they wouldn't have started over at QB when they are clearly in win now mode, but it's an interesting thought experiment. Is Rosen 80% as productive as Goff this year? And if so, is that still enough to win big?
 
cowboycane said:
That's the part I was probably underestimating. However I think back to last draft. For instance, if McVay trades two more years of affordable Goff to Arizona for the 13th pick, he could have drafted Rosen or Jackson for even cheaper than he has Goff and probably picked up an extra 1 next year.

Obviously they wouldn't have started over at QB when they are clearly in win now mode, but it's an interesting thought experiment. Is Rosen 80% as productive as Goff this year? And if so, is that still enough to win big?
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See, I'm a believer in Rosen, and to your point, you give Rosen what Goff has and IMO he would absolutely thrive, eventually
 
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