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MaximoCane said:
You are dying on the hill. I like hiring people who I know have what it takes to get into a good law school. It manages my down side risk. Never said that there aren’t good lawyers who went to crappy law schools, but given there are so many lawyers to choose from, why not have a high bar. I know this is very hard for you to accept since you’ve gone to a so so law school (wouldn’t call Miami a crap law school but certainly not a great one). It’s ok man. I’m sure you did the best you could and have carved out a nice little career. No Shane in that.
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LOL You define the term "ignorance".
 
MaximoCane said:
This is just not true. The only people who saw the school only matters for your first job are the people who went to crappy schools and desperately want to believe this. Just not true.
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LOL. Both my BA and JD are T14. Get off your high horse bro. I know a ton of Nova, St. Thomas and FIU grads who are amazing advocates and who are making bank. They are doing so at a fraction of the tuition cost that it cost me and most of my T14 peers. And by the same token, I know a ton of T14 alums who are broke and "que se están comiendo un cable" or that are borderline suicidal because of their high paying but very stress-inducing and soul-crushing big law jobs (where they learn very few practical skills, mind you, except for research and appellate law). They wish they could quit but they owe 6 figures in student loans and are begging for Uncle Sam to bail them out in the new year.

You yourself might care about the school where a attorney went to, and I respect that, but 99% of the average joes in South Florida could care less. That's a fact.
 
MaximoCane said:
This is just not true. The only people who saw the school only matters for your first job are the people who went to crappy schools and desperately want to believe this. Just not true.
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That is decidedly not the case.

You're clearly not a lawyer, and you've made it clear you only hire people from "top" law schools. That's your prerogative. But if you look at the big firms in MIA, most (if not all) have kids with FIU, NOVA, UM, UF and FSU degrees -- and kids who went Ivy, top 10, etc. But don't talk like you know the market; you're making it clear you don't.

The best lawyer I know went to UM and works at K&L Gates' Miami office. The worst lawyer I know -- someone subject to several bar complaints -- works at a top 10 national firm and went to Yale.
 
MaximoCane said:
ignorant because I disagree with you? Nah man, you are taking this personally. I guess I went to elite schools so don’t have the inferiority complex that folks like you do.
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You have the maturity of a middle schooler and perfectly personify someone from "elite schools". I'm not taking anything personally, bud. I'm offering genuine advice to someone who asked for it. Unlike you, I speak from experience on this topic. The fact you think I am driven by insecurity about the law school I attended just further evidences how out of place and ignorant you are on this thread. I decided to go super late in the application cycle and shotgunned a Fall admission off a February LSAT. As I wasn't willing to leave the state, I had very few options of schools that even accepted applications at that point. I got in to all three schools I applied to. As I said above already, I knew what my career goals were and that was to have my own practice. So I chose a school that fit well with where I was in life in an area I could see my family settling down in. I graduated 7th in my class, was a Dean's Scholar in every semester and a member of law review. I could have done well at any law school I attended. But I had no interest in working in Big Law, it's not for me and I knew that going in. And so I based my choice in schools on that; hence, the advice I've been sharing with OP here.

Stay in your lane, kid.
 
Katzenboyer said:
That is decidedly not the case.

You're clearly not a lawyer, and you've made it clear you only hire people from "top" law schools. But if you look at the big firms in MIA, most (if not all) have kids with FIU, NOVA, UM, UF and FSU degrees -- and kids who went Ivy, top 10, etc. But don't talk like you know the market; you're making it clear you don't.

The best lawyer I know went to UM and works at K&L Gates' Miami office. The worst lawyer I know -- someone subject to several bar complaints -- works at a top 10 national firm and went to Yale.
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exceptions don’t make the rule. Sure they have fiu kids. The ones that graduated in the top 10. It’s just probabilities. Do you understand basic math? I’m not a lawyer but have hired a bunch, wife is a lawyer, best friend is a lawyer, dad is a lawyer, etc. again, sorry you couldn’t get into a better law school, but let’s not pretend where someone e goes to law school doesn’t matter. It’s on the resume. It matters.
 
Katzenboyer said:
obviously you had a rough experience with the CDO, but my experience was different.

I’d also add that things seem to be trending in the right direction with the new dean.
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I am glad to hear that. I think my experience was affected by a couple of things. One, it was 2009-2010 and there were just very few new hire opportunities out there other than bankruptcy. Two, it was when the legal market started shifting and a lot of people going to law school wanted to use their degrees in other industries or a non-traditional manner.

The first part there was not much they could have done, though I would guess smaller firms would have been a little less impacted by the recession, since litigation continues and their hiring would be less impacted than big firms whose money making practices will always be corporate and M&A.

The second was more of my source of frustration. I was on SBA and tried to work with them to see other avenues and it just fell on deaf ears. They were not proactive at all in looking at other industries or companies that were hiring and target attorneys, and frankly were dismissive of it.
 
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MaximoCane said:
exceptions don’t make the rule. Sure they have fiu kids. The ones that graduated in the top 10. It’s just probabilities. Do you understand basic math? I’m not a lawyer but have hired a bunch, wife is a lawyer, best friend is a lawyer, dad is a lawyer, etc. again, sorry you couldn’t get into a better law school, but let’s not pretend where someone e goes to law school doesn’t matter. It’s on the resume. It matters.
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Haha, "sorry you couldn't get into a better law school." Clown comment, bro.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about, so I'll stop addressing you at this point, but I've done well for myself, love my life, live comfortably, and am just wrapping up one of the most prestigious jobs a law school grad can get. I'm good.

Do what you want. The OP asked if he should consider going to UM law, and I had a very positive experience. But glad we have BigDick Maximo Cane to set us straight!

If you didn't go to law school and are not practicing law, you shouldn't be in this thread. Bye Felicia.
 
Emilioooooh said:
LOL. Both my BA and JD are T14. Get off your high horse bro. I know a ton of Nova, St. Thomas and FIU grads who are amazing advocates and who are making bank. They are doing so at a fraction of the tuition cost that it cost me and most of my T14 peers. And by the same token, I know a ton of T14 alums who are broke and "que se están comiendo un cable" or that are borderline suicidal because of their high paying but very stress-inducing and soul-crushing big law jobs (where they learn very few practical skills, mind you, except for research and appellate law). They wish they could quit but they owe 6 figures in student loans and are begging for Uncle Sam to bail them out in the new year.

You yourself might care about the school where a attorney went to, and I respect that, but 99% of the average joes in South Florida could care less. That's a fact.
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I’m not an average Joe. I didn’t say people who went to so so law schools can’t make a lot of money. I just prefer to manage my downside by not hiring folks from a place like nova. I’d make an exception for a plaintiff lawyer that has consistently won big $$ for clients. But in general, if I have 20 lawyers to choose from and need to whittle the list down then I look at education, law firm, and other variables.
 
wspcane said:
I am glad to hear that. I think my experience was affected by a couple of things. One, it was 2009-2010 and there were just very few new hire opportunities out there other than bankruptcy. Two, it was when the legal market started shifting and a lot of people going to law school wanted to use their degrees in other industries or a non-traditional manner.

The first part there was not much they could have done, though I would guess smaller firms would have been a little less impacted by the recession, since litigation continues and their hiring would be less impacted than big firms whose money making practices will always be corporate and M&A.

The second was more of my source of frustration. I was on SBA and tried to work with them to see other avenues and it just fell on deaf ears. They were not proactive at all in looking at other industries or companies that were hiring and target attorneys, and frankly were dismissive of it.
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Don't get me wrong, I think your criticisms are completely fair. The knock on the CDO in that 2008-2014 time period was that they really didn't do much for the kids that weren't going the Big Law route. I'd argue that the problem was with the Dean, who didn't know what she was doing and had no clear vision for what she thought the school should be, but I digress.

Just seems like the problems have been noticed (finally) and there are steps in place to address them.
 
MaximoCane said:
I’m not an average Joe. I didn’t say people who went to so so law schools can’t make a lot of money. I just prefer to manage my downside by not hiring folks from a place like nova. I’d make an exception for a plaintiff lawyer that has consistently won big $$ for clients. But in general, if I have 20 lawyers to choose from and need to whittle the list down then I look at education, law firm, and other variables.
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Dude. You're not a lawyer and didn't go to UM law. Why are you even in this thread?
 
CaneAlum11 said:
I'd honestly recommend looking into FIU's law school. In-state tuition is cheaper.
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This

If I’m not mistaken FIU law school had the highest pass rate on the BAR among all other law schools in the state. Brother-in-law recently graduated from there and the dude’s a brain, it’s definitely a very solid option.
 
On a side note, this thread sure is taking off! Lol. Leave it to the lawyers (and whatever Maximo is) to hijack a thread and make much ado about nothing. OP asked a simple question but this is quickly becoming a madhouse. 😂😂😂
 
clarkyboy_21 said:
This

If I’m not mistaken FIU law school had the highest pass rate on the BAR among all other law schools in the state. Brother-in-law recently graduated from there and the dude’s a brain, it’s definitely a very solid option.
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You're not mistaken - FIU kis killing it on the bar passage rate.

If you want to practice at a good law firm in Miami, FIU is absolutely a viable option.
 
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If you’re seriously considering law school this isn’t the place to ask. Job one of someone going to law school is doing their homework. It’s the oldest law school in town, so it has the name, but it’s pricey. I chose FIU because I am 40 years old and needed a school with an evening program. FIU is a lot cheaper, not too far behind in the rankings and has the highest Bar passage rate in the state. I want to stay in South Florida, so either one would do for me but only one had an evening program. If you want to practice “Big Law” you need a high LSAT score to get into a top 15 school. Like others have said, your question is too vague.
 
Emilioooooh said:
LOL. Both my BA and JD are T14. Get off your high horse bro. I know a ton of Nova, St. Thomas and FIU grads who are amazing advocates and who are making bank. They are doing so at a fraction of the tuition cost that it cost me and most of my T14 peers. And by the same token, I know a ton of T14 alums who are broke and "que se están comiendo un cable" or that are borderline suicidal because of their high paying but very stress-inducing and soul-crushing big law jobs (where they learn very few practical skills, mind you, except for research and appellate law). They wish they could quit but they owe 6 figures in student loans and are begging for Uncle Sam to bail them out in the new year.

You yourself might care about the school where a attorney went to, and I respect that, but 99% of the average joes in South Florida could care less. That's a fact.
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Did you go to Georgetown for law?
 
Katzenboyer said:
Don't get me wrong, I think your criticisms are completely fair. The knock on the CDO in that 2008-2014 time period was that they really didn't do much for the kids that weren't going the Big Law route. I'd argue that the problem was with the Dean, who didn't know what she was doing and had no clear vision for what she thought the school should be, but I digress.

Just seems like the problems have been noticed (finally) and there are steps in place to address them.
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I will also say, I do not think this is limited to Miami. I think they are entirely myopic on law firms, failing to recognize that accounting, real estate, finance, etc. companies are many multiples larger than even the biggest of law firms and hire an insane number of people every year. That first job is the toughest to get and you're ultimately in law school to get a job, not learn the Bramblebush. It is a real disservice done to students for them to not emphasize those paths or build relationships with alumni who are moving up at those companies. I hope they are doing better in this regard.
 
For_The_U said:
You have the maturity of a middle schooler and perfectly personify someone from "elite schools". I'm not taking anything personally, bud. I'm offering genuine advice to someone who asked for it. Unlike you, I speak from experience on this topic. The fact you think I am driven by insecurity about the law school I attended just further evidences how out of place and ignorant you are on this thread. I decided to go super late in the application cycle and shotgunned a Fall admission off a February LSAT. As I wasn't willing to leave the state, I had very few options of schools that even accepted applications at that point. I got in to all three schools I applied to. As I said above already, I knew what my career goals were and that was to have my own practice. So I chose a school that fit well with where I was in life in an area I could see my family settling down in. I graduated 7th in my class, was a Dean's Scholar in every semester and a member of law review. I could have done well at any law school I attended. But I had no interest in working in Big Law, it's not for me and I knew that going in. And so I based my choice in schools on that; hence, the advice I've been sharing with OP here.

Stay in your lane, kid.
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No need for you to provide tons of details to justify why you went to a so so law school. I’m glad it met “your goals” and people do have different goals. You made deans list at a mediocre school, graduated at the top of your class against weak competition, etc.

In addition to claiming where you went to school doesn’t matter, people with lesser educational qualifications like to make generalizations about people who went to elite schools. It’s all part of how your rationalize your situation. It’s a cognitive distortion. It’s a perfect indication of your intellectual limitations. UM law til you die. Lol.

I’m certainly no kid. I have 20 years of experience hiring lawyers.
 
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