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OT: The NCAA is f#cked up

The thing to me is that the ncaa is enforcing rules on players it says are to support "amateurism" like that's some lofty goal, but then they turn around and make a billion a year off the labor of these "amateurs" they're trying to protect. If it weren't for that bit of hypocrisy I might be able to stomach the idea that if the market says saban is worth $10 million a year then that's what he'll make.

It's a fcking joke that all that money is being made and you "pay" your players $50k a year in the form of a scholarship.

Just for fun:

"In 2010 the NCAA signed a 14-year, $10.8 billion contract with CBS Sports and Turner Broadcasting, paid over the 14-year term. The deal was extended in April 2016 for a combined total rights fee of $8.8 billion that will keep the tournament on the networks until 2032.Mar 13, 2017"

That's just for March Madness. Just for one sport, and not even for the whole season.

Also this:

"For the first time, the NCAA itself declared Wednesday that it’s a billion-dollar-per-year organization all on its own."

The NCAA made $1 billion in 2017, for the first time
 
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Well if the university of Miami would've anted up 18 years ago maybe we wouldn't of went through this agonizing pain we've been through the last 18 years.the other schools who can afford it now will do the same.Times like this you have ask yourself this are you man and ante up or are you a mouse and fold and hope you don't run into another 3 stoogees marathon.
 
Saban gets $8+ million, but the unpaid students that produce all the recruiting mail, the 'analysts' that sit up in the box and steal signals, the trainers that juice smoothies with deer antler powder and HGH...those are some of the things that make him great. All the things that contribute to the 'system.'

Well, that and the blue Chip talents that trade a bit of individuality and personal achievement to be on the field at the Saban Plantation.

If you value a system that preys on inequity and multiplies itself like a virus...then yeah. Saban has built the G.O.A.T. program...But the scales have been tipped so far out of balance the traditional frame of reference is gone. So, is he a great 'coach'? Who the **** knows.
 
The NCAA is full of crap.

Weren't they the ones who proposed that players should make money collected into an account, and given them to them upon graduation?

All to protect their amatuerism.

I drive a truck for a living. After I deliver a load and submit the paperwork, three business days after I've delivered the load I get paid.

I am not an amatuer truck driver. I am a paid professional. Same goes with college football players.
 
JefeGringo said:
The NCAA is basically socialism pig with lipstick. And now one wants to limit coach's salaries? He's worth what the people flipping the bill for his salary state he's worth. If a school chooses not to compete and doesn't want a top notch coach, then salary is more or less not an issue.

If one wants to unf*ck the NCAA, start with Title IX and get rid of that. It was the death knell of many, many men's sports and scholarships in the name of equality.
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You could not be more right.
 
TerragonSix said:
I drive a truck for a living. After I deliver a load and submit the paperwork, three business days after I've delivered the load I get paid.

I am not an amatuer truck driver. I am a paid professional. Same goes with college football players.
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Yeah, and college football players are not professionals. So they don't get paychecks.

They get a scholarship and cost of attendance which is more than enough compensation for their worth.
 
I am all for capitalism but here needs to be some caps. Which is why you have all of the professional sports league with salary caps. Otherwise you would have a couple of crazy *** garbage schools like Bama and way outspend everyone else and there will be no competition. Which leads to poor ratings and smaller attendance at games which college football is experiencing right a long side the NFL. To its credit the NCAA has passed a couple of rules changes directly aimed at reigning in Alabama.
 
warpigs58 said:
I am all for capitalism but here needs to be some caps. Which is why you have all of the professional sports league with salary caps. Otherwise you would have a couple of crazy *** garbage schools like Bama and way outspend everyone else and there will be no competition. Which leads to poor ratings and smaller attendance at games which college football is experiencing right a long side the NFL. To its credit the NCAA has passed a couple of rules changes directly aimed at reigning in Alabama.
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There is no coaching and front office salary cap in the NFL, though.
 
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I am still trying to figure out how putting regulations on coaching salaries will increase opportunities for coaches in college football

It may do the opposite.

Logically, The better a College coach is the more likely they will bolt for the NFL which does not have a Cap on coaching.
 
firstandcanes said:
It's going to get worse before it gets better. In a few years someone will be 10 million.
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And that may be Coach Richt if Cane Dynasty's prediction on what the next ten years looks like. I'm expecting to see some Brinks Trucks around Coral Gables.
 
kryptonite said:
I didn't infer that you thought women playing sports is bad, but you most definitely did say that Title IX was the problem. I get what you're saying about cuts to men's sports, but does it occur to you that things weren't even a little fair in the first place? Sorry, I just see this as one of the times when things should be fair. As a father of a daughter, I'm interested in her having opportunities similar to those that men enjoy.

Whatever, the bottom line is that I don't think this is where the ncaa went wrong.
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Fair? Maybe some of these dykes should look somewhere else for affirmation instead of destroying men's sports in their effort to be "equal"

The only ****** sports worth watching are tennis, only in the finals. Also beach volleyball and lingerie football.

Do they still do mud wrestling?

The revenue numbers bear this out.
 
I don't see how the NCAA would be the overseers of what a university is willing to pay it's HC. That is strictly up to the university and it's boosters what the deem is a fair and equitable salary.
If Richt can bring 5 NC's in the nest 8-10 years there is no one who would complain if we gave him the same if not a bigger salary than Saban.
 
The concept of amateur college athletes is a farce. The biggest stories in college athletics is often how much revenue a sport makes, or doesn’t make. The College Football Playoffs or Men’s Basketball Tournament TV rights sold for billions. Coaches making millions per season. If they coach at state school they are often one of the highest, if not the highest paid state employee.

Or, some men’s programs cut to provide equity for women. Many criticize this, saying no one watches women’s sports. Again, the conversation turns to economics.

And yet, the players, who do receive the opportunity for an education, plus some living expenses, are held to a bogus amateur status.

Amateur? Free education? Let’s see a player tell Saban, Meyer, or Richt he’s sitting out spring practice to focus on his education, pursuing a meaningful degree. The scholarship, providing the ‘free education’, would be pulled quick. Or at least not renewed.

Amateur My ****.
 
atlCanesFan said:
I don't see how the NCAA would be the overseers of what a university is willing to pay it's HC. That is strictly up to the university and it's boosters what the deem is a fair and equitable salary.
If Richt can bring 5 NC's in the nest 8-10 years there is no one who would complain if we gave him the same if not a bigger salary than Saban.
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How are they the overseers of how many text messages a coach sends or what kind of shmear is allowed on bagels? Looking at a head coach's finances would be 1000% easier than monitoring for recruiting violations.

I think you are also missing the point. It's not a question of the value Saban adds. He certainly brings many more millions of value than his salary. The issue is a coach of amateurs makes millions more than Super Bowl winning coaches in a professional league. If that kind of money can be thrown around, then the college players should be considered to be playing in a professional league. That means they should get paid.

In the real world, suppose you request a tax exemption for your "non-profit" organization from the IRS. You organization brings in 10 million in donations. You, as the CEO, pay yourself 8 million. Well you are still "generously" ensuring $2 million is given to the needy, which they wouldn't receive if not for your amazing fundraising skills so your board (made up of your friends), voted for your salary. You followed all the legal procedures to get that 8 million salary. The IRS would almost certainly revoke your non profit status because it would claim that the non profit is unlawfully enriching an insider (board member, key employee, etc)

Yes, the IRS takes comparable private sector salaries into consideration when making the determination. In this case I would say that a for profit private sector NFL team should be the comparison (not the salary of other college coaches, as we've established the college system is broken). The lowest paid NFL head coach makes about 4 million per year. That should be the comparison for a head coach of a non profit coaching amateurs. But what if the college brings in more revenue than the NFL team? Then the excess revenue should go to the people the non profit is supposed to serve. That means the tuition of students at Alabama should be going down each year. If the growing revenue is the justification for paying the HC more, then the organization ceases to be a non profit. It's fine if Saban makes 15 million as long as the lowest paid NFL head coach is making at least that much (comparable profession in the private sector)
 
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And one last thing on the argument that because we are all believers in capitalism that we should let the free market decide the salaries:

The capitalism argument is not applicable since the colleges have been granted non profit status. That means they aren't paying taxes that for-profit private sector organizations have to take into consideration. So there isn't a fair market to compare a private sector coach of professional athletes in a for-profit league to a non profit public sector coach of amateurs. As soon as Alabama calls itself a for-profit and pays taxes, then they can make the capitalism argument and pay Saban more than NFL coaches.

In fact, the only college teams that have any grounds whatsoever to pay salaries comparable to or exceeding NFL salaries are private institutions like Miami, USC, and Notre Dame. Since private sector schools aren't subsidized by state legislatures, they bear the true cost of running a university and athletic department. At public universities, nearly 100% of the costs of operating a university are subsidized by the state.

Alabama is able to pay $8.3 million because the state is subsidizing most of the university's costs, so the revenue can go to paying coaching salaries that far exceed the NFL. It's not a free market when one group (private universities) has to pay 100% of operating costs, and the other group (public universities) is 100% subsidized by taxpayers.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
And one last thing on the argument that because we are all believers in capitalism that we should let the free market decide the salaries:

The capitalism argument is not applicable since the colleges have been granted non profit status. That means they aren't paying taxes that for-profit private sector organizations have to take into consideration. So there isn't a fair market to compare a private sector coach of professional athletes in a for-profit league
to a non profit public sector coach of amateurs. As soon as Alabama calls itself a for-profit and pays taxes, then they can make the capitalism argument and pay Saban more than NFL coaches.

In fact, the only college teams that have any grounds whatsoever to pay salaries comparable to or exceeding NFL salaries are private institutions like Miami, USC, and Notre Dame. Since private sector schools aren't subsidized by state legislatures, they bear the true cost of running a university and athletic department. At public universities, nearly 100% of the costs of operating a university are subsidized by the state.

Alabama is able to pay $8.3 million because the state is subsidizing most of the university's costs, so the revenue can go to paying coaching salaries that far exceed the NFL. It's not a free market when one group (private universities) has to pay 100% of operating costs, and the other group (public universities) is 100% subsidized by taxpayers.
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I understand your point. But, isn’t a lot of these high salaries funded by private boosters? I’ve read this, FWIW.

And, how much of Saban’s $8.3M is straight salary, and how much is the value of money set aside in an annuity, a home, or other benefit? In other words, the value of the annual compensation package is $8.3M but it’s not like that amount is paid in a weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly paycheck.
 
warpigs58 said:
I am all for capitalism but here needs to be some caps. Which is why you have all of the professional sports league with salary caps. Otherwise you would have a couple of crazy *** garbage schools like Bama and way outspend everyone else and there will be no competition. Which leads to poor ratings and smaller attendance at games which college football is experiencing right a long side the NFL. To its credit the NCAA has passed a couple of rules changes directly aimed at reigning in Alabama.
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Until Duke, Notre Dame, Texas, TAMU, etc. decide its time for them to become national champs and they spend more then Bama could ever dream of spending.
 
You realize there’s no NCAA fault with billions of dollars in it right? When you say the NCAA you’re really just talking about the ACC, SEC BIG10 etc... and schools like Miami. The moneys split between the schools.
 
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