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Saban gets extension, to make $8.3M in 2018

Saban will make $8.3 million next year.

That's $2.3 million more than Mike McCarthy, a Super Bowl winning NFL coach. It is more than 3 million more than the average NFL head coach salary.

A coach of "amateur" student-athletes at a taxpayer funded public university should not be making $2.3 million more than a coach of professional athletes in a professional league.

There should be an absolute hard cap on college coach salaries, which should includes all booster benefits like Saban's free multi million dollar house. If a college coach wants to make NFL money he should go to the NFL. That will increase opportunities for coaches in college football and prevent this obscene perversion where a coach in an amateur association makes 2-3 times the salary of a coach in a professional league.
 
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The NCAA is basically socialism pig with lipstick. And now one wants to limit coach's salaries? He's worth what the people flipping the bill for his salary state he's worth. If a school chooses not to compete and doesn't want a top notch coach, then salary is more or less not an issue.

If one wants to unf*ck the NCAA, start with Title IX and get rid of that. It was the death knell of many, many men's sports and scholarships in the name of equality.
 
JefeGringo said:
The NCAA is basically socialism pig with lipstick. And now one wants to limit coach's salaries? He's worth what the people flipping the bill for his salary state he's worth. If a school chooses not to compete and doesn't want a top notch coach, then salary is more or less not an issue.

If one wants to unf*ck the NCAA, start with Title IX and get rid of that. It was the death knell of many, many men's sports and scholarships in the name of equality.
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LOL, everything the ncaa does and that’s your issue? Insisting that girls at college get the opportunity to play sports is the thing you think is wrong? Not the billions being made off guys who get a “free” education but no real slice of the pie. Not arbitrary recruiting rules that are unevenly enforced and almost impossible to understand. Not dragging one program through the mud for years on end while refusing to look into blatant abuses by other programs.

Girls playing sports, that’s the real issue here.
 
kryptonite said:
LOL, everything the ncaa does and that’s your issue? Insisting that girls at college get the opportunity to play sports is the thing you think is wrong? Not the billions being made off guys who get a “free” education but no real slice of the pie. Not arbitrary recruiting rules that are unevenly enforced and almost impossible to understand. Not dragging one program through the mud for years on end while refusing to look into blatant abuses by other programs.

Girls playing sports, that’s the real issue here.
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I don't care girls play sports, they do, that's great. But many, many men's programs, and hundreds, if not thousands, of scholarships were cut and will never come back. Just for instance, a once proud UM Men's Golf team existed and was quite successful and was cut, same cuts for our mens swimming and diving though it still exists at least. Same cut for many Midwest wrestling programs. The same effect happened at the high school and junior high level. But, yes, infer that women playing sports is bad, just ignore that Title IX cut mens sports because not enough women play sports, and mostly because there is no sport, except rowing, lots and lots of rowing and track and field (if you don't supply a men's team) that make up for football.
 
Saban, 66, is entering his 12th season at Alabama, where he has a 127-20 record and has won five SEC championships. His 125 wins over the past decade are the most for any FBS school during a 10-year span in the Associated Press poll era (since 1936).
"We are so fortunate to have the best football coach in the country here at Alabama in Coach Saban, and we are very pleased that he has agreed to another contract extension," athletic director Greg Byrne said in a statement. "What this program has accomplished under him over the past decade is truly remarkable, and it goes well beyond the five national championships."


He deserves it. Dude is the GOAT.

He's lost 20 games in 12 seasons, and won 5 National Titles over the past decade. It is what it is.

I'm also willing to wager there has been a direct correlation between the program's success and increased tourism of the state ... Which feeds directly into their tax base and economy.
 
Wasn't it rumored that Texas was willing to pay him 10 mil? ****, Texas A&M just gave ole Jimbob 7.5, it's definitely going to get worse. I'm glad we have a man of integrity like Richt, because Miami will be further and further behind.
 
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Texas will give a blank check for football because football is like air. It generates all sorts of Revenue. I just wish that players could benefit openly from their success.
 
JefeGringo said:
The NCAA is basically socialism pig with lipstick. And now one wants to limit coach's salaries? He's worth what the people flipping the bill for his salary state he's worth. If a school chooses not to compete and doesn't want a top notch coach, then salary is more or less not an issue.

If one wants to unf*ck the NCAA, start with Title IX and get rid of that. It was the death knell of many, many men's sports and scholarships in the name of equality.
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I agree as far as a private institution goes. A private institution should pay whatever they wish. But at state school taking tax dollars that's doesn't seem right.
 
There's a good argument that Saban is actually underpaid. That man has brought a ton of revenue in for that university and raised the perceived value of going to the University of Alabama in out of state in pipeline cities like Atlanta, Houston, Charlotte, Memphis, New Orleans etc. The NCAA is still in over their head though.
 
If you win 45 national championships and your school has the funds pay them whatever they want.
 
As much as I dislike Saban and Alabama he’s worth every penny. The success of the football program has brought 100s of millions of dollars in private donations. Plus, I doubt his salary (and his assistants) is 100% funded by taxpayer dollars. A lot of these high salaries are partially funded or offset by boosters. Or so I’ve read. FWIW.

If Richt went on a similar run of success we wouldn’t complain about an $8M+ salary. Private university or not.
 
when you're winning you bring in more students, applications, more tourism etc they're making upgrades everywhere. They are in a position now where they can even attract better quality students. The state of Illinois routinely has some of the most academically qualified high school seniors, the chicago tribune had an article recently that explained how alabama is recruiting these students away from big 10 schools they usually would go to through financial incentives that those schools can't match, things like that probably wouldnt happen without a winning program on the level saban has achieved.
 
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I mean what can you do with the winning they do on the field and all the revenue they make from merchandise, bowl checks, and tv contracts...

Free labor no one else to pay but the dude who screams into the headset and kisses babys on crootin trips

....oh and shuffle some money under the table for ummmm yeah...
 
I won't go into another post about the NCAA needing per sport Athletic Department Spending Caps again, plenty of old posts by me on the subject...Suffice it to say that Dynasty is prophetic (if nothing is done).

Most of an active coach's salary is paid by boosters...What hammers the taxpayer of these state schools is the state pensions they receive after they hang up the headset:

A $76,000 Monthly Pension: Why States and Cities Are Short on Cash

Yeah, Mike Bellotti may still be whining about his team not getting their "chance" (to be destroyed, that is) against Miami in the Rose Bowl, but he sure isn't going without while doing it.

And it isn't just the coaches themselves:

Pat Summitt's will leaves 'personal property' to Tyler Summitt

Yep, I guy, starting at age 26, gets $176,000 year, plus COLA thanks to his Mom's pension...And we have vets living in underpasses.
 
Mklein13 said:
If you win 45 national championships and your school has the funds pay them whatever they want.
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He is coaching unpaid amateurs, but he makes more than paid professionals. Professional- as in a league where the explicit purpose is purely to make money. When a coach of amateurs makes far more than a coach of professionals, it's upside down. If amateur coaches make that much more money than their professional counterparts, it is becomes very clear that that the amateur sport is, in fact, a profit-making business. That means the players should get paid.

I'm not saying Saban doesn't bring $8.3 million worth of value, he clearly does. Let's even say he brings $50 million worth of value. However, if you had a hard cap of say $6 million (let's hypothetically say that total compensation formula for a college head coach is that it cannot be higher than the average salary of NFL coaches), Saban would still bring $50 million in value. What would change is that if he thinks he is worth more than $6 million, then he can either decide to go to a professional league that would pay him commensurately, or he can choose to remain at his salary because he likes the fit in college better. All that other stuff that he supposedly brings to Alabama like tourism (uh, right) or more money for other athletic programs still happens if there is a hard cap salary. It doesn't drop a single cent. Really, a hard cap doesn't change a single positive benefit, but it certainly would make the the student-athlete model slight less of a farce, and it also would increase competitiveness in college football since the best coaches who feel they deserve more money would have to go to the NFL. That makes it more unlikely that college teams can become dynasties simply by building a staff of all the highest paid coaches. The coaches like Richt, who honestly believe in bettering the lives of young men, would still be there making excellent money. It doesn't matter if a NFL team dangles 8 million to Richt, he's not leaving the Hurricanes. The ego-driven maniacs like Saban would leave recruits wondering if the head coach is going to leave college to chase mega-dollars, so it makes recruiting more competitive as well and a better product overall (yes, college football would be better and the NCAA would actually increase revenue if more teams had a legit shot at winning a championship).

Miami built it's dynasty the hard way, cycling through coaches but still fielding the most competitive teams. Miami couldn't pay a college head coach a salary on par with the NFL, so every single championship caliber head coach left for the professional leagues (USFL or NFL). That's the way it should be.

And I agree, in principal, with one of the other posters that taxpayer funded public universities should not be paying that kind of money to college head coaches. With private universities I'm more forgiving but still think it is absurd to pay a coach in an amateur league more than a coach in a professional league. I'm glad I don't live in Florida anymore because I'd be highly irritated that my taxes are paying any portion of the salary of Taggart or Coach Shark-Humper.
 
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JefeGringo said:
I don't care girls play sports, they do, that's great. But many, many men's programs, and hundreds, if not thousands, of scholarships were cut and will never come back. Just for instance, a once proud UM Men's Golf team existed and was quite successful and was cut, same cuts for our mens swimming and diving though it still exists at least. Same cut for many Midwest wrestling programs. The same effect happened at the high school and junior high level. But, yes, infer that women playing sports is bad, just ignore that Title IX cut mens sports because not enough women play sports, and mostly because there is no sport, except rowing, lots and lots of rowing and track and field (if you don't supply a men's team) that make up for football.
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I didn't infer that you thought women playing sports is bad, but you most definitely did say that Title IX was the problem. I get what you're saying about cuts to men's sports, but does it occur to you that things weren't even a little fair in the first place? Sorry, I just see this as one of the times when things should be fair. As a father of a daughter, I'm interested in her having opportunities similar to those that men enjoy.

Whatever, the bottom line is that I don't think this is where the ncaa went wrong.
 
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