OT: Program Changing Athletes

[Brains]

Right on. I guess its how you would define a program changer. Texas and Auburn will always be brand names in CFB. Vince/Cam gave them historical seasons.

Personally though I think what Harbaugh (as much as I dont like the guy) and Luck did was fairly transformative. Walsh/Green did have some success sure. But even when Elway was there they werent great. Today's era of CFB has changed since then and its tough to win unless you are all in on that sport. All Im saying is that younger generations got a shot in the arm that Stanford actually had a football team in part because of Luck. No one gave a crap about them for a long while until Luck got there.

Let me throw another name at you. Would you consider McNabb a program changer for Cuse?

I would not. Cuse had better teams with McPherson and Graves.

What's inarguable is that they went downhill quickly after McNabb left.

 

[Notsince1985]

You know who was a program changer?

Alex Smith.

Put some respect on Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala's name

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[Brains]

I’d say the best offensive coaches in college all time:

Hal Mumme
Mike Leach
June Jones
Art Briles
Norm Chow
Chris Petersen
Tony Petersen (no relation)
Billy Joe
Dennis Erickson
Gary Crowton
Kliff Kingsbury
Gary Pinkel
Rich Rodriguez
Steve Spurrier
Urban Meyer
Bill Cubit
Mike Riley
Chip Kelly
Jeff Tedford
Dennis Franchione
Sonny Dykes
Lincoln Riley
Lane Kiffin
Bobby Petrino
Dino Babers
Troy Calhoun
Paul Johnson

So I really, really was hoping Tedford was going to get healthy and we'd reach out re: OC/QB.

But, he got healthy and took the Fresno State job again! Monster QB coach.

I'm a huge fan of the Mumme crew and his progeny.

Going back to the original Veer, I'm a real Bill Yeoman fan. Mouse Davis too.

Of course Dennis.

 

[Brains]

Put some respect on Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala's name

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I'll raise you Tim Biakabutuka

 

[Trav]

It's never one guy. We have a decent amount of guys on the roster now that would be champions, but conversely too many guys that would never see the field for our great teams.

 

[ZuCrew]

It's never one guy. We have a decent amount of guys on the roster now that would be champions, but conversely too many guys that would never see the field for our great teams.

I can see that. A coach and player tandem usually is the catalyst.

 

[twohourtour]

Marc Wilson. Took an average BYU team to 11-1. Followed by success of Jim McMahon followed by Steve Young.

 

[TemplarCane]

Marc Wilson. Took an average BYU team to 11-1. Followed by success of Jim McMahon followed by Steve Young.

Wouldn’t that be more HC Lavell Edwards than anyone else? Still, good call.

 

[We the Boss]

Dalvin Cook made an irrelevant FSU team relevant. Look at them after he left.

 

[Dwinstitles]

The biggest program changing player in this school's history is Jim Kelly

Wasnt around or watching it then but will trust your judgement

 

[twohourtour]

Wouldn’t that be more HC Lavell Edwards than anyone else? Still, good call.

I’d say there’s merit to that being HC were more of a determining factor in wins in that era. Flip side is he was there for almost a decade before that run of three straight 1st round qb’s.

 

[bolivar]

I’d say the best offensive coaches in college all time:

Hal Mumme
Mike Leach
June Jones
Art Briles
Norm Chow
Chris Petersen
Tony Petersen (no relation)
Billy Joe
Dennis Erickson
Gary Crowton
Kliff Kingsbury
Gary Pinkel
Rich Rodriguez
Steve Spurrier
Urban Meyer
Bill Cubit
Mike Riley
Chip Kelly
Jeff Tedford
Dennis Franchione
Sonny Dykes
Lincoln Riley
Lane Kiffin
Bobby Petrino
Dino Babers
Marty Galbraith
Troy Calhoun
Paul Johnson

I’d probably slide Mouse Davis in there..

Great list!!

 

[Cane&Abel]

 

[Brains]

I’d probably slide Mouse Davis in there..

Great list!!

Did you see my response?

 

[bolivar]

Did you see my response?

Yeah, I’m with you man.

 

[Timmy T-Bags $$$]

Jim Kelly for the win!!