OT - LeBatard vs Manfred

[Zbrod95]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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Who is knocking down the door for a 34 year old light hitting 3rd baseman coming off missing 125 games last season with a bad knee, who if your lucky may be a .280/12/70 guy due to make $13.5 and $15 million over the next 2 seasons?

Tazawa and his 5.69 ERA last season......teams should be lining up for his services at $7 million a year

And you forgot Wei-Yin Chen who is due $10, $20 and $22 million over the next three year. That single handily may be the worst contract in the history of baseball when you factor in the entire situation regarding team finances.

Honestly......if you were a baseball GM......would you trade for any of these three and why? You can get the same production from league minimum guys.

Yea, actually I would. Tazawa struggled in Boston with Nieves being his pitching coach after 2013 and is still 31 years old on a one year deal...Chisek was not valuable either with the same ERA and we still traded him. Prado gets on base at a higher rate his BA suggests and still grades as a plus defender at third base while bringing the versatility of being able to play LF and 2nd base as well. Volquez was absolutely tradable too but they cut him. Chen is an entirely different story and should’ve been cut last year before he hit 5 years of service. You can absolutely trade them...you’ll just get scraps. By the way, how did I “forget” about Chen’s salary if I brought it up in other post?


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[Zbrod95]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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Nobody is going to want to trade for Prado's contract. Only the Marlins would overpay a slap hitting third baseman in his 30's. Volquez isn't going to pitch this year after Tommy John surgery and even when he does come back the guy is borderline major league starter anyway. Tazawa might have some value but again, he's highly overpaid to be a mediocre middle reliever.

It's these contracts + Wen's that forced the Marlins to dump Stanton, Gordon and Osuna. Paying Stanton a ridiculous amount of money wasn't a terrible decision but throwing a bunch of money at bad pitchers and a glorified utility infielder was. Nobody is going to take those contracts.

Wrong, Wrong, and more Wrong. Tazawa has ONE bad year and was Boston’s best reliever behind Uehara(I’m also a Red Sox fan, I should know) when he came here. Prado is not a “slap” hitter, he’s been a doubles guy his entire career and somebody will happily give up two nobodies for his 60 RBI’s, OPS, and above average defense. Volquez was cut...doesn’t matter.

 

[monkey1371]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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Who is knocking down the door for a 34 year old light hitting 3rd baseman coming off missing 125 games last season with a bad knee, who if your lucky may be a .280/12/70 guy due to make $13.5 and $15 million over the next 2 seasons?

Tazawa and his 5.69 ERA last season......teams should be lining up for his services at $7 million a year

And you forgot Wei-Yin Chen who is due $10, $20 and $22 million over the next three year. That single handily may be the worst contract in the history of baseball when you factor in the entire situation regarding team finances.

Honestly......if you were a baseball GM......would you trade for any of these three and why? You can get the same production from league minimum guys.

Yea, actually I would. Tazawa struggled in Boston with Nieves being his pitching coach after 2013 and is still 31 years old on a one year deal...Chisek was not valuable either with the same ERA and we still traded him. Prado gets on base at a higher rate his BA suggests and still grades as a plus defender at third base while bringing the versatility of being able to play LF and 2nd base as well. Volquez was absolutely tradable too but they cut him. Chen is an entirely different story and should’ve been cut last year before he hit 5 years of service. You can absolutely trade them...you’ll just get scraps. By the way, how did I “forget” about Chen’s salary if I brought it up in other post?


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Let me understand this.....

You are claiming that Volquez who signed a 2 year deal for 2017 & 2018.
Underwent Tommy John Surgery(for the 2nd time) in last July which has a 12-14 month rehab.
Making him eligible to comeback maybe for the last few months of the 2018 season(getting paid $13 million) before his contract expires at the end of the 2018 season.
Has trade Value.


If I am wrong in what I am stating.....please correct me.....but I don't see how you can possibly argue that Volquez had trade value.

Also....Your assessment of Prado is through some rose colored glasses. His Salary, Age, coming off injury, light historical production at a position that has at least 25 other guys who will out produce him.......I just don't see it.

Can provide a scenario/team willing to spend 10%-15% of their entire salary expense on him? I am interested to see that.

 

[Zbrod95]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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Who is knocking down the door for a 34 year old light hitting 3rd baseman coming off missing 125 games last season with a bad knee, who if your lucky may be a .280/12/70 guy due to make $13.5 and $15 million over the next 2 seasons?

Tazawa and his 5.69 ERA last season......teams should be lining up for his services at $7 million a year

And you forgot Wei-Yin Chen who is due $10, $20 and $22 million over the next three year. That single handily may be the worst contract in the history of baseball when you factor in the entire situation regarding team finances.

Honestly......if you were a baseball GM......would you trade for any of these three and why? You can get the same production from league minimum guys.

Yea, actually I would. Tazawa struggled in Boston with Nieves being his pitching coach after 2013 and is still 31 years old on a one year deal...Chisek was not valuable either with the same ERA and we still traded him. Prado gets on base at a higher rate his BA suggests and still grades as a plus defender at third base while bringing the versatility of being able to play LF and 2nd base as well. Volquez was absolutely tradable too but they cut him. Chen is an entirely different story and should’ve been cut last year before he hit 5 years of service. You can absolutely trade them...you’ll just get scraps. By the way, how did I “forget” about Chen’s salary if I brought it up in other post?


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Let me understand this.....

You are claiming that Volquez who signed a 2 year deal for 2017 & 2018.
Underwent Tommy John Surgery(for the 2nd time) in last July which has a 12-14 month rehab.
Making him eligible to comeback maybe for the last few months of the 2018 season(getting paid $13 million) before his contract expires at the end of the 2018 season.


If I am wrong in what I am stating.....please correct me.....but I don't see how you can possibly argue that Volquez had trade value.

Also....Your assessment of Prado is through some rose colored glasses. His Salary, Age, coming off injury, light historical production at a position that has at least 25 other guys who will out produce him.......I just don't see it.

Can provide a scenario/team willing to spend 10%-15% of their entire salary expense on him? I am interested to see that.

When he’s moved I’ll make sure to come bump this.


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[monkey1371]

Ok.....fine. Still I am interested in based upon what I posted.....Why do you claim Volquez has trade value?

 

[Zbrod95]

Ok.....fine. Still I am interested in based upon what I posted.....Why do you claim Volquez has trade value?

He’s cut...doesn’t really matter. I think he does if we eat a portion of his contract but I also forgot this would’ve been his last year anyway.


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[monkey1371]

Ok.....fine. Still I am interested in based upon what I posted.....Why do you claim Volquez has trade value?

He’s cut...doesn’t really matter. I think he does if we eat a portion of his contract but I also forgot this would’ve been his last year anyway.


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Ok....so as long as the Marlins eat portions of his and other contracts these guys are trade-able.......that is different than your initial claim they had $35 million in trade-able money.

They have $35 million in contracts to get rid of.....but will have to include valuable assets(like maybe a Yelich) and/or eat portions of the salary to dump is more accurate and very different.

 

[g8rh8rMD]

I was done for good with the Marlins the day they announced they were tearing down the OB.

LeRetard is a total clown, but is a genius at what he does. Guy is a professional troll that knows little to nothing of what he speaks. I like some of what he says, but then realize it's just pandering anyway. We'll never know what he really thinks about much of anything, because the words coming out of his mouth are always programmed to boost his bottom line, not to actually speak his mind or to advance interesting, dynamic, or unique points of view. There is genius in that, but he can go suck a lemon as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Zbrod95]

Ok.....fine. Still I am interested in based upon what I posted.....Why do you claim Volquez has trade value?

He’s cut...doesn’t really matter. I think he does if we eat a portion of his contract but I also forgot this would’ve been his last year anyway.


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Ok....so as long as the Marlins eat portions of his and other contracts these guys are trade-able.......that is different than your initial claim they had $35 million in trade-able money.

They have $35 million in contracts to get rid of.....but will have to include valuable assets(like maybe a Yelich) and/or eat portions of the salary to dump is more accurate and very different.

You’re putting words in my mouth. We won’t need to eat any money from Prado or Tazawa to trade them. Volquez is a different scenario because of an injury.


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[monkey1371]

Ok.....fine. Still I am interested in based upon what I posted.....Why do you claim Volquez has trade value?

He’s cut...doesn’t really matter. I think he does if we eat a portion of his contract but I also forgot this would’ve been his last year anyway.


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Ok....so as long as the Marlins eat portions of his and other contracts these guys are trade-able.......that is different than your initial claim they had $35 million in trade-able money.

They have $35 million in contracts to get rid of.....but will have to include valuable assets(like maybe a Yelich) and/or eat portions of the salary to dump is more accurate and very different.

You’re putting words in my mouth. We won’t need to eat any money from Prado or Tazawa to trade them. Volquez is a different scenario because of an injury.


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Well if Tazarwa goes after the all star break......we have paid over half his salary already for this year and $3 million for a team in pennant race might be worth it and a different scenario.

And Prado....the longer it goes, more the Marlins have paid of the salary this year, the easier it will be to trade (if he performs).

If the Marlins are able to unload both BEFORE the season without having to include assets or eat salary.....Then you are right.

 

[gogeta4]

I was done for good with the Marlins the day they announced they were tearing down the OB.

LeRetard is a total clown, but is a genius at what he does. Guy is a professional troll that knows little to nothing of what he speaks. I like some of what he says, but then realize it's just pandering anyway. We'll never know what he really thinks about much of anything, because the words coming out of his mouth are always programmed to boost his bottom line, not to actually speak his mind or to advance interesting, dynamic, or unique points of view. There is genius in that, but he can go suck a lemon as far as I'm concerned.

funny thing is the guy with the schtick of being dumn/clueless...STUGOTZ....Knows sports. Yea Lebatard was straight up trolling and decided to do it to a softy.

 

[miamifan007]

It was great - make Manfred sweat.

MLB is so rigged and lopsided, it's ridiculous. To allow a group of investors, with a front man like Jeter buy a team for the price they did after the franchise had a new stadium built and then immediately sell all the assets is criminal. This group obviously has no money and is not willing to invest. It's a money grab. They traded their assets for nothing.....stale peanuts and a bag sunflower seeds. And worst of all, Jeter HELPED his former franchise in the process. Even if it wasn't shady, it's a bad look.

The issue with MLB is the profit sharing agreement.

 

[DTP]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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Nobody is going to want to trade for Prado's contract. Only the Marlins would overpay a slap hitting third baseman in his 30's. Volquez isn't going to pitch this year after Tommy John surgery and even when he does come back the guy is borderline major league starter anyway. Tazawa might have some value but again, he's highly overpaid to be a mediocre middle reliever.

It's these contracts + Wen's that forced the Marlins to dump Stanton, Gordon and Osuna. Paying Stanton a ridiculous amount of money wasn't a terrible decision but throwing a bunch of money at bad pitchers and a glorified utility infielder was. Nobody is going to take those contracts.

Wrong, Wrong, and more Wrong. Tazawa has ONE bad year and was Boston’s best reliever behind Uehara(I’m also a Red Sox fan, I should know) when he came here. Prado is not a “slap” hitter, he’s been a doubles guy his entire career and somebody will happily give up two nobodies for his 60 RBI’s, OPS, and above average defense. Volquez was cut...doesn’t matter.

Prado has ZERO trade value. He's a utility player at best on a good team. Not to mention he's become fragile in his later years. Single digit homers and 60 RBI at third base is far below replacement value. Even if Tazawa regains form, what's a mediocre middle reliever worth on the trade market? Your looking at these players through a Marlins' fan perspective. Be honest, what team would give up anything to take either of those players? Please. Name one. The only way you're moving either or those contracts is if there's a desperate team at trade deadline next season who needs a stop gap third baseman while their regular guy is on the DL. Don't you think the Marlins would have tried to trade any of those guys if they had any takers?

 

[DTP]

I was done for good with the Marlins the day they announced they were tearing down the OB.

LeRetard is a total clown, but is a genius at what he does. Guy is a professional troll that knows little to nothing of what he speaks. I like some of what he says, but then realize it's just pandering anyway. We'll never know what he really thinks about much of anything, because the words coming out of his mouth are always programmed to boost his bottom line, not to actually speak his mind or to advance interesting, dynamic, or unique points of view. There is genius in that, but he can go suck a lemon as far as I'm concerned.

Nail on the head. Lebatard doesn't have the ability to have solid discussions on a majority of sports related topics because he knows little about actual sports. Instead, he has a list of "hot button topics" which he goes to ad nauseam to rile up listeners and keep their interest. It's why he falls back on race topics all the time. He knows they're hot issues and will get people heated one way or another. He presents no solutions to any of the "problems" he always digs up. He just throws issues out and hopes to get people mad enough to listen and text or tweet or whatever drives ratings these days. To his credit, he plays it well and has had success being a professional troll.