OT: Is It Happening? Alabama in Hot Water

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Lol. I could be wrong... I'm way out of practice. I do know that a bumch of the required elements are simple, like 2 people conspiring via interstate communications (texts???) to do something illegal like fraud so im thinking tax fraud. I need a lifeline here. 😆

You're not wrong, in theory, but for this to be a RICO case against the NCAA, you need to satisfy other conditions, principally that the NCAA not only knew about these payoffs, but directed it, and was thus ultimately responsible. Responsibility is a step beyond being complicit. Secondly, you do need to show harm and butthurt recruiting threads on CIS isn't harm, sorry guys. Anyway, it is the resources required in establishing that which renders this DOA, IMO. So, those dreaming of some big federal RICO case that shows the NCAA being dismantled with Emmert dragged off in cuffs, cast those aside. Not going to happen.
 
You're not wrong, in theory, but for this to be a RICO case against the NCAA, you need to satisfy other conditions, principally that the NCAA not only knew about these payoffs, but directed it, and was thus ultimately responsible. Responsibility is a step beyond being complicit. Secondly, you do need to show harm and butthurt recruiting threads on CIS isn't harm, sorry guys. Anyway, it is the resources required in establishing that which renders this DOA, IMO. So, those dreaming of some big federal RICO case that shows the NCAA being dismantled with Emmert dragged off in cuffs, cast those aside. Not going to happen.
How about RICO actions against the schools or against the booster and parent conspirators to commit tax fraud?

That would be a good starting pressure point. Really, they can just go after the parents of these kids for tax fraud and let them sing and then let the bagmen they rat out sing too.

Just throwing it out there.
 
This is Saban's last season. He retires end of season whether or not they started the process of lowering the boom on him. It may be why Enos "Got the **** outta Dodge."

Alabama was dirty and had NCAA issues before he got there. Then they go on an unprecedented winning spree with freakish athletes 3-deep with nary an official word of any improprieties, even though some people were talking.

He's been good for the NCAA's bottom line, but will be expendable when the investigations start. America still loves the underdog (Look at the growing socialist movement) and loves to see the mighty fall. It happens to all the top programs eventually - Miami, USC, Florida, Ohio State and soon its gonna come a knocking on Bama's and maybe Clemson's door, too.
 
How about RICO actions against the schools or against the booster and parent conspirators to commit tax fraud?

That would be a good starting pressure point. Really, they can just go after the parents of these kids for tax fraud and let them sing and then let the bagmen they rat out sing too.

Just throwing it out there.

I mean, this is a pure exercise in mental legal *********ing, but what the ****. It's the offseason.

My 2 cents, in the case of schools or boosters, you'd have a hard time getting a judge to sign off on them as criminal enterprises, even holistically. I made reference earlier to linking the NCAA, etc to murder, which was partially tongue in cheek, but only partially. To get the DOJ, et al to take this stuff that seriously, you really do need a pile of bodies. The system is so overwhelmed with anti-terror, anti-cartel, etc. cases....

The case most will look to is FIFA. That was a governing body that was hit via RICO. In that case, you had officials accepting $100 million+ in bribes and ******** over countries to the tune of billions in economic development. There was significant evidence of suppressing whistle blowers along the way, too.
 
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This is Saban's last season. He retires end of season whether or not they started the process of lowering the boom on him. It may be why Enos "Got the **** outta Dodge."

Alabama was dirty and had NCAA issues before he got there. Then they go on an unprecedented winning spree with freakish athletes 3-deep with nary an official word of any improprieties, even though some people were talking.

He's been good for the NCAA's bottom line, but will be expendable when the investigations start. America still loves the underdog (Look at the growing socialist movement) and loves to see the mighty fall. It happens to all the top programs eventually - Miami, USC, Florida, Ohio State and soon its gonna come a knocking on Bama's and maybe Clemson's door, too.
Yeah.Millionaire Bernie--true underdog.
 
  • Lori Loughlin and her husband, Mossimo Giannulli, plan to argue that they didn't know about the scam to get their daughters into the University of Southern California, according to TMZ.
  • The problem? The kids got in through a program for USC's crew team, and neither actually rowed crew.
  • Despite that, Loughlin and Giannulli provided photos of the daughters posing with a rowing machine as part of their college applications.
This is incredible. Posted 6 hours ago.
 
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Thank You....Lol....Another Butch hater...If we would have hired him instead of Shannon or Golden...We'd have already been in the Playoff....
Butch was the target of a lot of unfair hate and vitriol during his time at the U. All he did was put together the most talented group of players in our history. Maybe in history, period.
 
You dont need murder or extortion for the feds to drop Racketeering crimes

Actually, I've thought of filings civil RICO suit against certain federal officials. I did study the statutes about a year ago. It involves a number of the obstruction of justice sections. I spent some time reading Part 2 of the report by Mueller. I will make no comment about that, though.

I would not necessarily dismiss a RICO prosecution but it depends on the facts, obviously.
 
I mean, this is a pure exercise in mental legal *********ing, but what the ****. It's the offseason.

My 2 cents, in the case of schools or boosters, you'd have a hard time getting a judge to sign off on them as criminal enterprises, even holistically. I made reference earlier to linking the NCAA, etc to murder, which was partially tongue in cheek, but only partially. To get the DOJ, et al to take this stuff that seriously, you really do need a pile of bodies. The system is so overwhelmed with anti-terror, anti-cartel, etc. cases....

The case most will look to is FIFA. That was a governing body that was hit via RICO. In that case, you had officials accepting $100 million+ in bribes and ******** over countries to the tune of billions in economic development. There was significant evidence of suppressing whistle blowers along the way, too.
Awesome explanation!
 
I mean, this is a pure exercise in mental legal *********ing, but what the ****. It's the offseason.

My 2 cents, in the case of schools or boosters, you'd have a hard time getting a judge to sign off on them as criminal enterprises, even holistically. I made reference earlier to linking the NCAA, etc to murder, which was partially tongue in cheek, but only partially. To get the DOJ, et al to take this stuff that seriously, you really do need a pile of bodies. The system is so overwhelmed with anti-terror, anti-cartel, etc. cases....

The case most will look to is FIFA. That was a governing body that was hit via RICO. In that case, you had officials accepting $100 million+ in bribes and ******** over countries to the tune of billions in economic development. There was significant evidence of suppressing whistle blowers along the way, too.

Alabama probably hired the same sicario to kill the turncoat booster that Penn State used to kill district attorney Ray Gricar (he declined to press charges against Sandusky in the 1990s, then when the Sandusky story blew up he "disappeared" and his computer hard drives were also mysteriously stolen at the same time).

Can you imagine what would happen if it actually turned out that some schools were using hitmen to silence possible squealers?
 
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You guys already know how this turns out.

Miami has a convicted felon "booster" who testified in court that he gave free boat rides but no money..... lack of institutional control. Sanctions. Clouds.

Alabama has a convicted felon "booster" who testifies in court that he paid players..... nothing to see here, move along people.

They will skate. Alabama is above the law. Even the Feds can't touch them.



Everybody knows they're paying players. Everybody. Alabama lands whatever recruits they want. And it ain't because Nick Saban is such a smooth talker, or that Tuscaloosa is such a beautiful place to live.

It's bags. Fat, beautiful bags of loot. That's how they're landing everybody. And it's not just this one guy. It's a whole network of boosters, with the full knowledge of the coaches and the school itself.

Nothing is going to come of it. This will be swept under the rug, and it will be business as usual by the time the season starts.

https://totalfratmove.com/alabama-football-is-the-best-car-dealership-in-the-country/
 
Alabama probably hired the same sicario to kill the turncoat booster that Penn State used to kill district attorney Ray Gricar (he declined to press charges against Sandusky in the 1990s, then when the Sandusky story blew up he "disappeared" and his computer hard drives were also mysteriously stolen at the same time).

Can you imagine what would happen if it actually turned out that some schools were using hitmen to silence possible squealers?

If it was Alabama, they would get a four year bowl ban and loss of scholarships for the same time period. After two years, the NCAA would rule that the original punishment was too strict and would end those sanctions.

Seriously though - that sort of scandal would end football as a college sport. I could see political momentum on a student side that leads to massive reforms in college athletics. Players would be paid for what sports remained. College football would be dropped by a lot of schools and become much more of a niche sport.
 
How about RICO actions against the schools or against the booster and parent conspirators to commit tax fraud?

That would be a good starting pressure point. Really, they can just go after the parents of these kids for tax fraud and let them sing and then let the bagmen they rat out sing too.

Just throwing it out there.

2 big College corruption cases going on in the feds right now.
 
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If this is true and proven in a court of law players were paid that would make the players ineligible all those ncs last 10 years will have to be vacated.be a very big mess to clean up.
 
  • Lori Loughlin and her husband, Mossimo Giannulli, plan to argue that they didn't know about the scam to get their daughters into the University of Southern California, according to TMZ.
  • The problem? The kids got in through a program for USC's crew team, and neither actually rowed crew.
  • Despite that, Loughlin and Giannulli provided photos of the daughters posing with a rowing machine as part of their college applications.
This is incredible. Posted 6 hours ago.

This case is the perfect example oh how the system works. Guess who is skating free in all of this? The schools. You can’t tell me these officials didn’t know those kids weren’t athletes and you can’t tell me Clemson and Bama officials don’t know their football players get paid.

Rogue boosters will be blamed if anything comes of this and everybody else will skate
 
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