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UMFarArcher said:
See, here's another example of your utter ignorance. Paul Karason was taking silver chloride. Silver chloride is a compound with Chlorine.

Silver chloride is AgCl.

Silver is Ag.

He took it internally, and even externally - he rubbed this silver chloride on his face to try to clear up severe acne.

Silver chloride - has not one thing to do with nano silver.

This story was perpetuated by a public relations company funded by a pharmaceutical interest to scare away fools from real nano-silver.

Fools believed it. You just indicated you believed it.

Soooo . . . . what does that make you?


For the record, other things can turn the skin blue - Benzocaine, Xylocaine, Benzene (the meat additive), nitrates, and some antibiotics such as dapsone and chloroquine (note the chlorine - the same chlorine as in silver chloride?)
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So, let's sum up your BS.

You don't attempt to deny the existence of argyria, which is permanent. You don't even address it.

But, hey, ONE GUY apparently did something fraudulent, so now none of us should believe that there are any harmful side effects of colloidal silver. Because, you know, one guy did something.

That is the argumentative equivalent of saying that when ONE GUY fakes his own death from poisoning, we should conclude that poison is not bad for us.

Brilliant.

And you also don't address Jim Bakker and all of the other hucksters selling this colloidal silver snake oil.

Take whatever you want. Turn yourself blue for all I care. But stop acting as if you have superior medical knowledge over the rest of us "idiots" because you believed some citation to some article that all of the anti-vaxxers are sharing via e-mail.

Yeah, it's the "rest of us" who are the stupid ones, and you're the smart one. Because Big Pharma has us fooled, and no honest doctor on the planet can figure it out.

When they put Jim Bakker in jail again, you can come here to tell us what a medical prophet he was.
 
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This thread is rough. Take him back to his Dermatologist first, they should be able to tell what is going on. If it gets suddenly worse, take him to an Urgent Care until he can get back to Derm.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
So, let's sum up your BS.

You don't attempt to deny the existence of argyria, which is permanent. You don't even address it.

But, hey, ONE GUY apparently did something fraudulent, so now none of us should believe that there are any harmful side effects of colloidal silver. Because, you know, one guy did something.

That is the argumentative equivalent of saying that when ONE GUY fakes his own death from poisoning, we should conclude that poison is not bad for us.

Brilliant.

And you also don't address Jim Bakker and all of the other hucksters selling this colloidal silver snake oil.

Take whatever you want. Turn yourself blue for all I care. But stop acting as if you have superior medical knowledge over the rest of us "idiots" because you believed some citation to some article that all of the anti-vaxxers are sharing via e-mail.

Yeah, it's the "rest of us" who are the stupid ones, and you're the smart one. Because Big Pharma has us fooled, and no honest doctor on the planet can figure it out.

When they put Jim Bakker in jail again, you can come here to tell us what a medical prophet he was.
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No, we need to sum up your ignorance of the topic. I'd have thought by now you'd have done just a touch of research - and disappeared in embarrassment.

But no - you exist in the land of stupid - and can't find your way out.

You brought up Poppa Smurf - you brought him up - and that was your sole dismissive example. I merely pointed out he was using silver chloride. Not colloidial silver.

Your sole example was the hoax - and you blame me for only replying to your one example? What are you - a third grader?

You throw around a word - like Argyria - and you don't even look to see the definition of that word??? You're really this dumb?

Look up ARGYRIA! Read it! "Argyria or Argyrosis is a condition caused by excessive exposure to chemical compounds of the element silver or to silver dust."

CHEMICAL COMPOUNDS OF SILVER OR SILVER DUST. Neither of which have anything to do with nano silver.

Lead with your chin much?

I've had more intelligent discussions with the nine-year old across the street.

You can't read, you can't comprehend what you read - and you throw out the most ridiculous dismissals - ever.

You better hope you know more about fornicating than you do about even basic science - on second thought that's not going to help the gene pool.
 
UMFarArcher said:
No, we need to sum up your ignorance of the topic. I'd have thought by now you'd have done just a touch of research - and disappeared in embarrassment.

But no - you exist in the land of stupid - and can't find your way out.

You brought up Poppa Smurf - you brought him up - and that was your sole dismissive example. I merely pointed out he was using silver chloride. Not colloidial silver.

Your sole example was the hoax - and you blame me for only replying to your one example? What are you - a third grader?

You throw around a word - like Argyria - and you don't even look to see the definition of that word??? You're really this dumb?

Look up ARGYRIA! Read it! "Argyria or Argyrosis is a condition caused by excessive exposure to chemical compounds of the element silver or to silver dust."

CHEMICAL COMPOUNDS OF SILVER OR SILVER DUST. Neither of which have anything to do with nano silver.

Lead with your chin much?

I've had more intelligent discussions with the nine-year old across the street.

You can't read, you can't comprehend what you read - and you throw out the most ridiculous dismissals - ever.

You better hope you know more about fornicating than you do about even basic science - on second thought that's not going to help the gene pool.
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Your reading comprehension is not strong.

I never brought up "Poppa Smurf". I don't know who that is. You're the expert on hoaxers and whatnot.

You're a mildly amusing fool. You look up ONE explanation of argyria (you don't even provide a link) that uses the word "compound", and the next thing you know, you're running around with your hands in the air as if you actually accomplished something.

****, I've done plenty of research, far more than you ever have or ever will, and with more reliable sources. So let's just cite the National Institutes of Health...



What Is Colloidal Silver?
  • Colloidal silver consists of tiny silver particles in a liquid that is sometimes promoted on the Internet as a dietary supplement. However, evidence supporting health-related claims is lacking. In fact, colloidal silver can be dangerous to your health.
Is Colloidal Silver Safe?
  • Colloidal silver can cause serious side effects. The most common is argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is usually permanent.
  • Colloidal silver can also cause poor absorption of some drugs, such as certain antibiotics and thyroxine (used to treat thyroid deficiency).
  • The FDA also warned in 1999 that colloidal silver isn’t safe or effective for treating any disease or condition.
  • The FDA and the Federal Trade Commission have taken action against a number of companies for making misleading claims about colloidal silver products.


More About Argyria
  • Silver can build up in the body’s tissue, causing a bluish-gray discoloration of large areas of skin, especially those exposed to the sun.
  • People have developed argyria from using homemade and commercial colloidal silver products.


Is Colloidal Silver Effective?
Scientific evidence doesn’t support the use of colloidal silver dietary supplements for any disease or condition.

  • Silver has no known function or benefits in the body when taken by mouth.
  • Silver is not a nutritionally essential mineral or a useful dietary supplement.
  • People may be exposed to silver, usually in tiny amounts, through air, water, and food, and in certain activities such as jewelry-making or soldering.
  • Colloidal silver products are sometimes sold as homeopathic remedies. For more information on homeopathy, see nccih.nih.gov/health/homeopathy.
  • Topical silver (used on the skin) has some appropriate medical uses, such as in bandages and dressings to treat burns, skin wounds, or skin infections. It’s also in medicines to prevent conjunctivitis (an eye condition) in newborns. However, there are no legally marketed prescription or over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver that are taken by mouth.
More to Consider
  • Colloidal silver and other complementary products or practices that have not been proven safe and effective should never be used to replace conventional medical care or as a reason to postpone seeing a health care provider about a medical problem.
  • Tell all your health care providers about any complementary health approaches you use. Give them a full picture of what you do to manage your health. This will help ensure coordinated and safe care.




nccih.nih.gov

Colloidal Silver: What You Need To Know

This fact sheet discusses the safety and effectiveness of colloidal silver and suggests sources for additional information.
nccih.nih.gov nccih.nih.gov
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Your reading comprehension is not strong.

I never brought up "Poppa Smurf". I don't know who that is. You're the expert on hoaxers and whatnot.

You're a mildly amusing fool. You look up ONE explanation of argyria (you don't even provide a link) that uses the word "compound", and the next thing you know, you're running around with your hands in the air as if you actually accomplished something.

****, I've done plenty of research, far more than you ever have or ever will, and with more reliable sources. So let's just cite the National Institutes of Health...



What Is Colloidal Silver?
  • Colloidal silver consists of tiny silver particles in a liquid that is sometimes promoted on the Internet as a dietary supplement. However, evidence supporting health-related claims is lacking. In fact, colloidal silver can be dangerous to your health.
Is Colloidal Silver Safe?
  • Colloidal silver can cause serious side effects. The most common is argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is usually permanent.
  • Colloidal silver can also cause poor absorption of some drugs, such as certain antibiotics and thyroxine (used to treat thyroid deficiency).
  • The FDA also warned in 1999 that colloidal silver isn’t safe or effective for treating any disease or condition.
  • The FDA and the Federal Trade Commission have taken action against a number of companies for making misleading claims about colloidal silver products.


More About Argyria
  • Silver can build up in the body’s tissue, causing a bluish-gray discoloration of large areas of skin, especially those exposed to the sun.
  • People have developed argyria from using homemade and commercial colloidal silver products.


Is Colloidal Silver Effective?
Scientific evidence doesn’t support the use of colloidal silver dietary supplements for any disease or condition.

  • Silver has no known function or benefits in the body when taken by mouth.
  • Silver is not a nutritionally essential mineral or a useful dietary supplement.
  • People may be exposed to silver, usually in tiny amounts, through air, water, and food, and in certain activities such as jewelry-making or soldering.
  • Colloidal silver products are sometimes sold as homeopathic remedies. For more information on homeopathy, see nccih.nih.gov/health/homeopathy.
  • Topical silver (used on the skin) has some appropriate medical uses, such as in bandages and dressings to treat burns, skin wounds, or skin infections. It’s also in medicines to prevent conjunctivitis (an eye condition) in newborns. However, there are no legally marketed prescription or over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver that are taken by mouth.
More to Consider
  • Colloidal silver and other complementary products or practices that have not been proven safe and effective should never be used to replace conventional medical care or as a reason to postpone seeing a health care provider about a medical problem.
  • Tell all your health care providers about any complementary health approaches you use. Give them a full picture of what you do to manage your health. This will help ensure coordinated and safe care.




nccih.nih.gov

Colloidal Silver: What You Need To Know

This fact sheet discusses the safety and effectiveness of colloidal silver and suggests sources for additional information.
nccih.nih.gov nccih.nih.gov
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it’s useless, don’t bother
 
Well that's some funny stuff, there. The nano silver was the top treatment for viruses like polio during the days the medical community had penicillin available - but they elected to not use it until 1942 - the war.

It cleared up - killed - eliminated - polio unfalteringly for example - and it's laughable that today - they're trying so hard to alter documented history. It was used against all kinds of viruses. There's tons of research paper and trials!

Look at their caveats: "have not proven safe," (it was for decades by the medical community)

or "not a nutritionally essential mineral," (we're not taking it for nutrition - but for anti-microbial properties)

or "has no known function or benefits," (and that's an outright lie)

or "colloidal silver can cause poor absorption of some drugs such as certain antibiotics" - (the very same thing can be said for beer.)

or "FDA warned that colloidal silver isn't safe or effective for treating any disease or condition" (Yet it is documented to kill viruses. - that's not a condition or a disease)

or "FDA and FTC has taken action against companies for making misleading claims" (Physicians for decades not only made the same claims - they documented those claims by killing viruses in their patients. For decades. They just don't happen to have the FDA's approval - the same ones that turn loose dangerous drugs on the American people on a regular basis - ask these attorneys about their class action suits)

Today, it cost up to a billion dollars to get something tested by the FDA - and that's how they control what comes out, who can actually compete if they have great products - better than the major patent medicine companies.

No one can make money off silver - it's been around a while.

You will pay to play. This generation has some hard lessons to learn - and that day is coming. Sooner or later. One thing that never changes - everything changes.

Just a few generations ago, prior to refrigeration - folks would keep their milk in the spring house - and throw some silver dollars into the milk container. Travelers out West - they'd do the same in their canteens. We have a term today - "silverware." Ever wonder why that term? In times of no antibiotics? Ever hear the term "born with a silver spoon in their mouth?" It was to keep babies and children from infections. They were given a silver spoon for them to keep in their mouth.

You see, even the ancients knew.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
it’s useless, don’t bother
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I know. The guy's a lunatic. He acts like he knows everything and sneers at everyone, as if we have done no research of our own.

It would be one thing if he would just shut his mouth and acknowledge that other people have information too. Maybe we can disagree on conclusions, or on who we trust. But it's not the case that "everyone else is stupid" and "Far Archer" is the only one with information.

He's still acting like some infantryman has superior information to everyone in the medical industry, but we can't fix that.

At any rate, those of us who don't agree with Far Archer are doing so on a factual basis, not an emotional or an ignorance basis.

He is free to disagree with the scientific and medical community, and he can ingest whatever silver he chooses to ingest.

But when I see a guy with blue-colored skin at one of the football games, I'm going to laugh my **** off.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I know. The guy's a lunatic. He acts like he knows everything and sneers at everyone, as if we have done no research of our own.

It would be one thing if he would just shut his mouth and acknowledge that other people have information too. Maybe we can disagree on conclusions, or on who we trust. But it's not the case that "everyone else is stupid" and "Far Archer" is the only one with information.

He's still acting like some infantryman has superior information to everyone in the medical industry, but we can't fix that.

At any rate, those of us who don't agree with Far Archer are doing so on a factual basis, not an emotional or an ignorance basis.

He is free to disagree with the scientific and medical community, and he can ingest whatever silver he chooses to ingest.

But when I see a guy with blue-colored skin at one of the football games, I'm going to laugh my **** off.
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That's some funny *** right there!

Obviously, you HAVEN'T done your own research. You need to go sit with stupid.

To the contrary of your claim - I've been saying there is a ton of scientific papers, research projects, physicians reports by the thousands and thousands - just for the picking. Maybe you have a retardation and read very slowly - and reading isn't your thing - but it's all out there!

I only speak of things on a factual basis - I don't blow known hoaxes out my *** as fact - and I don't post a copy of some crap by the NIH without actually reading and understanding exactly what each of those claims really says. I listed some!

Government language does not equate to normal people word usage. "Tax cut" means a tax increase, but not as much as they planned on hitting us with.

"No known functions or benefits" means they haven't personally done a government funded and directed study to discover any functions or benefits - and they're sure as **** not going to look at thousands of documents from studies in the past - or studies and common uses from other nation.

You guys must be related.

It takes a special gene to be that dense.
 
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UMFarArcher said:
I got bitten by one too - it was a slightly itchy tingle - got it on my hand.

I waited a couple days to see if he got a good bite on me - and my hand was swollen, tight, and started turning real dark - so I used a biophysics technique - free electrons - and the pain was gone inside a minute, that evening the swelling was way down, and the next day the only reminder was the two little spots where his fang things punctured me.

Free electrons. Oddly, every Ascorbic molecule has two free electrons to donate - after all - it's a powerful reducer.
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is that different from negative ions?
 
Is anyone else also too ADD to follow all this? For me it’s so much easier to just go to a doctor and let them worry about it but I know that’s easy and lazy.

I must say, the combatants involved sure are passionate about their positions.
 
RVACane said:
Is anyone else also too ADD to follow all this? For me it’s so much easier to just go to a doctor and let them worry about it but I know that’s easy and lazy.

I must say, the combatants involved sure are passionate about their positions.
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Not ADD, lazy, or easy. Just applying common sense to a complex issue.
 
RVACane said:
Is anyone else also too ADD to follow all this? For me it’s so much easier to just go to a doctor and let them worry about it but I know that’s easy and lazy.

I must say, the combatants involved sure are passionate about their positions.
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I wouldn't say I'm "passionate" about it.

I just think it's funny for an infantryman to claim he knows more than the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Health & Human Services.

(It's also funny to observe him saying that he provided links when he never did. Not that I want those links, I just think it's funny that he claims he did stuff he never did, and that he claims that we said stuff we never said).
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I wouldn't say I'm "passionate" about it.

I just think it's funny for an infantryman to claim he knows more than the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Health & Human Services.

(It's also funny to observe him saying that he provided links when he never did. Not that I want those links, I just think it's funny that he claims he did stuff he never did, and that he claims that we said stuff we never said).
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You just haven't seen the look of relief once someone's debilitating illness has been cured by psychic surgery.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I wouldn't say I'm "passionate" about it.

I just think it's funny for an infantryman to claim he knows more than the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Health & Human Services.

(It's also funny to observe him saying that he provided links when he never did. Not that I want those links, I just think it's funny that he claims he did stuff he never did, and that he claims that we said stuff we never said).
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I know nothing about this stuff and so I just go to doctors as that's what I know to do.

Not entering into this argument here but I have no doubt that the military vet knows alternative ways of dealing with venomous bites and things like that.
 
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TheMatador said:
is that different from negative ions?
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A while back we were using nano Ti02 to coat room surfaces to provide a self-scrubbing antimicrobial room that would self-clean all surfaces of microbials, and in the presence of UV light - would expel hydroxyls and superoxide anions.

The goal was to get the nano sized titanium dioxide particles to space together tightly on the surface - like soldiers in a formation - and not pile up on each other - to get a tightly packed distribution for maximum effect.

So we gave the aqueous solution of TiO2 a negative charge. The particles lined up tightly - no overlap as they'd repel each other just before they'd bunch up or pile on one another - and due to the negative charge, would even curl around and underneath the top surfaces - also providing an orderly, tight nano-spacing.

So when exposed to UV light - man, this stuff was powerful! Self-sanitizing, self-cleaning - just an amazing chemical reaction/reduction/oxidation process against pathogens.

As to the properties and benefits against pathogens of the superoxide anions, and the hydroxyls - how they literally pick off electrons from pathogens and pull them apart - or the oxidation process in detail - consult the Original Canes/Original Canes Oriiginal Canes crew for a full understanding and lucid explanation. Per the experts here.

Oh, and physicians are so knowledgeable about biophysics - and they can probably explain in great detail how this works so well in third world nations and how they can purify their water as well. Any ER doctor should have this knowledge.

Have them go into detail on how this was also used on the space station to clean the air and how it works. I have a few gallons, and the ionic sprayer in my lab right now. Somewhere.

That's how ionization can assist - separate the aggregate itself - and then attach itself due to a negative aggregate charge.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I wouldn't say I'm "passionate" about it.

I just think it's funny for an infantryman to claim he knows more than the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Health & Human Services.

(It's also funny to observe him saying that he provided links when he never did. Not that I want those links, I just think it's funny that he claims he did stuff he never did, and that he claims that we said stuff we never said).
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It's weird. Some things are just outside our understanding.

I wasn't just an infantryman - that's what we called an 11-B. I was also an 11-C, 05-B, I picked up in the Rangers - and got my 12-B with Special Forces.

You might say I was a grunt-plus. Did you know that Special Forces soldiers test much higher on intelligence testing than West Point candidates?

One more unexplained mystery of the universe . . .
 
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UV light is used to disinfect operating rooms without the use of chemicals. Apparently it kills 98% of pathogens.

So maybe that's the secret. Avoid things like Zika and Covid by spending your days at the beach.
 
JD08 said:
UV light is used to disinfect operating rooms without the use of chemicals. Apparently it kills 98% of pathogens.

So maybe that's the secret. Avoid things like Zika and Covid by spending your days at the beach.
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I'm in water treatment and uv is an approved disinfectant process, it's just expensive
 
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