OT FHSAA limits live contact for football practices

[CaneSince4Ever]

What ever happened to Tony Charles?

[MENTION=12726]Canedog[/MENTION]...I think He ended up getting kicked out of UF...last I saw Him, He was playing arena ball. And His first name was Torian, not Tony.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

-Imagine every defensive/offensive lineman that goes through that year in and year out for 8 more years before they even get to college.
-Imagine all the south florida DB's that want to make that loud clapping "Sean Taylor shoulder tackle".
-Imagine all the south florida RB's like Duke Johnson that don't give AF about your size, they will try to run you over until you stop them.

I hear ya', but let's not discount the 1 on 1 tackling reps, those have an effect also. Whether it's the "old fashioned way" or new school, it's still a collision...and while the new school way might be "safer", that doesn't mean it's beneficial. Like I said, football is a depreciating sport, the human body wasn't designed for that type of collision, the best you can do is to mitigate the damage.

 

[Coach Macho]

When I played NT for North Miami Dolphins (before they name changed to West Dade Seminoles thank god), we went up against West Miramar Panthers...they ran the same play 3 times in a row, where the Fullback was to lead the RB into the A gap, the center pulled and let me through everytime...and every time the full back went full speed towards me with his head down. I wasn't going to be a ***** and move out the way, so, I accepted his challenge every time and took on the collision (got knocked back the first time and made the tackle the other 2 times). Regardless, the collision I made with the FB was greater than either of my tackles. That was in 4th grade...

-Imagine every defensive/offensive lineman that goes through that year in and year out for 8 more years before they even get to college.
-Imagine all the south florida DB's that want to make that loud clapping "Sean Taylor shoulder tackle".
-Imagine all the south florida RB's like Duke Johnson that don't give AF about your size, they will try to run you over until you stop them.

I didn't play football long enough, but just those 3 things alone happen every week for 10-17 weeks in a row for 10+ years as a south florida baller. I have to agree with Macho that tackling isn't the problem when it comes to this rule being made.

However, I still believe what I posted earlier...that kids are just going to make matters worse by avoiding the rule. Especially if it's coaches out there that don't want to let go of the old fashion way, and don't discourage their players from contact outside of practice.

Tackling definitely isn't the main problem. It's very seldom that you really get F'd up during a tackle. It's the play-by-play collisions that ***** your head up over time.

Through high school and college I played Inside Linebacker and was also the "wedge buster" on the kick-off team. (cause I'm a nut)
All of my concussions came from taking on Fullback Iso and/or busting wedges on the kick-off.
Over the years I've seen more guys get F's up on special teams than anything else.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

When I played NT for North Miami Dolphins (before they name changed to West Dade Seminoles thank god), we went up against West Miramar Panthers...they ran the same play 3 times in a row, where the Fullback was to lead the RB into the A gap, the center pulled and let me through everytime...and every time the full back went full speed towards me with his head down. I wasn't going to be a ***** and move out the way, so, I accepted his challenge every time and took on the collision (got knocked back the first time and made the tackle the other 2 times). Regardless, the collision I made with the FB was greater than either of my tackles. That was in 4th grade...

-Imagine every defensive/offensive lineman that goes through that year in and year out for 8 more years before they even get to college.
-Imagine all the south florida DB's that want to make that loud clapping "Sean Taylor shoulder tackle".
-Imagine all the south florida RB's like Duke Johnson that don't give AF about your size, they will try to run you over until you stop them.

I didn't play football long enough, but just those 3 things alone happen every week for 10-17 weeks in a row for 10+ years as a south florida baller. I have to agree with Macho that tackling isn't the problem when it comes to this rule being made.

However, I still believe what I posted earlier...that kids are just going to make matters worse by avoiding the rule. Especially if it's coaches out there that don't want to let go of the old fashion way, and don't discourage their players from contact outside of practice.

Tackling definitely isn't the main problem. It's very seldom that you really get F'd up during a tackle. It's the play-by-play collisions that ***** your head up over time.

Through high school and college I played Inside Linebacker and was also the "wedge buster" on the kick-off team. (cause I'm a nut)
All of my concussions came from taking on Fullback Iso and/or busting wedges on the kick-off.
Over the years I've seen more guys get F's up on special teams than anything else.

Son, there ain't no wedge-busters no more.

 

[Billy D Williams]

It's a smart move. If you think concussions aren't having a serious impact on the number of youth football players, you have your head in the sand.

You don't have to pound on someone all week to be ready to play on game day. Eighty minutes a week plenty, forty minutes a practice pre-season.

It's patsies like you who are ruining the spirit of athletics. The concussion scare has been used by the NFL to gain positive public opinion because they intentionally hid the findings of a concussion study on NFL players. Like most cattle the heard follows the leader no matter how over blown the threat. Kids need as much practice on the fundamentals on blocking and tackling that coaches can squeeze in. This is nothing more than another bunch of bureaucratic never played sports geeks wanting to impact a game they never could play and pretend they saving kids. In reality you putting them at greater risk because they'll be unprepared for the rigors of sports. The idea that NBA stops play because some player's hand made slight contact with another players head is as ridiculous as rules come. They gonna pussification me right out of sports altogether. Maybe they'll be leagues for those uninterested in pussified football and basketball like these new fight leagues.

Ok tough guy. I played football all my life including four years of major college football. I've coached youth football for five years. I'm on the board of our league, and most of our time is spent recruiting players to come out and play, cause we don't have enough payers to field teams. Take your pussified comments and deal with reality of where parental concerns are today. Rugby tackling techniques taught by Pete Carroll and others are now a major focus for youth football, and that is a great thing. It takes the head out of the tackle. That technique can be practiced without being live. Same with blocking.

You are the clueless one.

I used my head like a battering ram as a player, fortunately never had concussion. Just because things were done a certain way when people were younger doesn't mean that was right and approaches shouldn't adopt.

I played football from 8 years old through high school. Following college I coached youth football losing only 2 games in 12 years. I've never witnessed any coach telling a player to use his head. In fact I emphasized back in the early nineties using your shoulder pads not your head. Heads up so you can see your target. Told them and their parents that I didn't want to see them in a "wheelchair" after breaking their necks using their heads. Only a fool coach or player would instruct or advocate the use of the head.

To get back on point...It's the sense of paranoia about the non-verified (you admitted using your head and never got a concussion) number of concussions that is driving an over reaction to "necessary" contact drills. Blocking techniques and tackling are the most important aspects of football and the only ones requiring a great deal of contact. These happen to be what all players, youth, HS and college are worst at. So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling. You BS'ing yourself if you think it won't. The shear nature of the game will inevitably will mean some concussions will occur, but pale with the number of ACL, MCL, Tears, Strains, Bone Breaks, Contusions and Dislocations that will occur. Where the concern for the greater percentage of injuries? As many HS, college and pro players I've been and continue to be around I've, just me, have never heard of one that complains of lingering concussion effects, but most complain of some sort of physical discomfort. So is the the issue to stop players from from running and stopping because they are more likely to tear an ACL? Not! Yea, just as silly and irresponsible as placing kids at greater risk by having them unprepared for the rigors of football.

Since it's the safety of players were're concerned with, why not really prevent concussions by eliminating contact all together, Flag Football? No because you're not really concerned about player safety, but more so giving the appearance of limited concern. Would you propose limiting the amount of time required for teenagers to drive before getting their license, because the less time on the road limits their exposure or chances being involved in a serious accident. Not all kids play football, a small percentage, but all kids drive. Bet you and all those supposedly concerned for youth safety don't give it a second thought that distracted driving is the number one reason for youth accidents, including concussion, whiplash and death. No! Because it more important for you to over react to a popular opinion. Next time your kid leaves home with the keys and cell phone, Tell him or her to keep their head up.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling.

LOL...no amount of contact will help Tinkerbell tackle the Dalvin Cooks of the world.

And I can tell you didn't read the article, again, they're not limiting contact, they're just limiting taking the ballcarrier to the ground.

 

[Awesome]

Just like Golden's football practices.

 

[Awesome]

It's a smart move. If you think concussions aren't having a serious impact on the number of youth football players, you have your head in the sand.

You don't have to pound on someone all week to be ready to play on game day. Eighty minutes a week plenty, forty minutes a practice pre-season.

It's patsies like you who are ruining the spirit of athletics. The concussion scare has been used by the NFL to gain positive public opinion because they intentionally hid the findings of a concussion study on NFL players. Like most cattle the heard follows the leader no matter how over blown the threat. Kids need as much practice on the fundamentals on blocking and tackling that coaches can squeeze in. This is nothing more than another bunch of bureaucratic never played sports geeks wanting to impact a game they never could play and pretend they saving kids. In reality you putting them at greater risk because they'll be unprepared for the rigors of sports. The idea that NBA stops play because some player's hand made slight contact with another players head is as ridiculous as rules come. They gonna pussification me right out of sports altogether. Maybe they'll be leagues for those uninterested in pussified football and basketball like these new fight leagues.

Ok tough guy. I played football all my life including four years of major college football. I've coached youth football for five years. I'm on the board of our league, and most of our time is spent recruiting players to come out and play, cause we don't have enough payers to field teams. Take your pussified comments and deal with reality of where parental concerns are today. Rugby tackling techniques taught by Pete Carroll and others are now a major focus for youth football, and that is a great thing. It takes the head out of the tackle. That technique can be practiced without being live. Same with blocking.

You are the clueless one.

I used my head like a battering ram as a player, fortunately never had concussion. Just because things were done a certain way when people were younger doesn't mean that was right and approaches shouldn't adopt.

I played football from 8 years old through high school. Following college I coached youth football losing only 2 games in 12 years. I've never witnessed any coach telling a player to use his head. In fact I emphasized back in the early nineties using your shoulder pads not your head. Heads up so you can see your target. Told them and their parents that I didn't want to see them in a "wheelchair" after breaking their necks using their heads. Only a fool coach or player would instruct or advocate the use of the head.

To get back on point...It's the sense of paranoia about the non-verified (you admitted using your head and never got a concussion) number of concussions that is driving an over reaction to "necessary" contact drills. Blocking techniques and tackling are the most important aspects of football and the only ones requiring a great deal of contact. These happen to be what all players, youth, HS and college are worst at. So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling. You BS'ing yourself if you think it won't. The shear nature of the game will inevitably will mean some concussions will occur, but pale with the number of ACL, MCL, Tears, Strains, Bone Breaks, Contusions and Dislocations that will occur. Where the concern for the greater percentage of injuries? As many HS, college and pro players I've been and continue to be around I've, just me, have never heard of one that complains of lingering concussion effects, but most complain of some sort of physical discomfort. So is the the issue to stop players from from running and stopping because they are more likely to tear an ACL? Not! Yea, just as silly and irresponsible as placing kids at greater risk by having them unprepared for the rigors of football.

Since it's the safety of players were're concerned with, why not really prevent concussions by eliminating contact all together, Flag Football? No because you're not really concerned about player safety, but more so giving the appearance of limited concern. Would you propose limiting the amount of time required for teenagers to drive before getting their license, because the less time on the road limits their exposure or chances being involved in a serious accident. Not all kids play football, a small percentage, but all kids drive. Bet you and all those supposedly concerned for youth safety don't give it a second thought that distracted driving is the number one reason for youth accidents, including concussion, whiplash and death. No! Because it more important for you to over react to a popular opinion. Next time your kid leaves home with the keys and cell phone, Tell him or her to keep their head up.

You lost 2 games in 12 years as a youth football coach? Yeah right.

 

[ben]

What ever happened to Tony Charles?

[MENTION=12726]Canedog[/MENTION]...I think He ended up getting kicked out of UF...last I saw Him, He was playing arena ball. And His first name was Torian, not Tony.

he works at Autonation Chevrolet in Broward

 

[Billy D Williams]

It's a smart move. If you think concussions aren't having a serious impact on the number of youth football players, you have your head in the sand.

You don't have to pound on someone all week to be ready to play on game day. Eighty minutes a week plenty, forty minutes a practice pre-season.

It's patsies like you who are ruining the spirit of athletics. The concussion scare has been used by the NFL to gain positive public opinion because they intentionally hid the findings of a concussion study on NFL players. Like most cattle the heard follows the leader no matter how over blown the threat. Kids need as much practice on the fundamentals on blocking and tackling that coaches can squeeze in. This is nothing more than another bunch of bureaucratic never played sports geeks wanting to impact a game they never could play and pretend they saving kids. In reality you putting them at greater risk because they'll be unprepared for the rigors of sports. The idea that NBA stops play because some player's hand made slight contact with another players head is as ridiculous as rules come. They gonna pussification me right out of sports altogether. Maybe they'll be leagues for those uninterested in pussified football and basketball like these new fight leagues.

Ok tough guy. I played football all my life including four years of major college football. I've coached youth football for five years. I'm on the board of our league, and most of our time is spent recruiting players to come out and play, cause we don't have enough payers to field teams. Take your pussified comments and deal with reality of where parental concerns are today. Rugby tackling techniques taught by Pete Carroll and others are now a major focus for youth football, and that is a great thing. It takes the head out of the tackle. That technique can be practiced without being live. Same with blocking.

You are the clueless one.

I used my head like a battering ram as a player, fortunately never had concussion. Just because things were done a certain way when people were younger doesn't mean that was right and approaches shouldn't adopt.

I played football from 8 years old through high school. Following college I coached youth football losing only 2 games in 12 years. I've never witnessed any coach telling a player to use his head. In fact I emphasized back in the early nineties using your shoulder pads not your head. Heads up so you can see your target. Told them and their parents that I didn't want to see them in a "wheelchair" after breaking their necks using their heads. Only a fool coach or player would instruct or advocate the use of the head.

To get back on point...It's the sense of paranoia about the non-verified (you admitted using your head and never got a concussion) number of concussions that is driving an over reaction to "necessary" contact drills. Blocking techniques and tackling are the most important aspects of football and the only ones requiring a great deal of contact. These happen to be what all players, youth, HS and college are worst at. So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling. You BS'ing yourself if you think it won't. The shear nature of the game will inevitably will mean some concussions will occur, but pale with the number of ACL, MCL, Tears, Strains, Bone Breaks, Contusions and Dislocations that will occur. Where the concern for the greater percentage of injuries? As many HS, college and pro players I've been and continue to be around I've, just me, have never heard of one that complains of lingering concussion effects, but most complain of some sort of physical discomfort. So is the the issue to stop players from from running and stopping because they are more likely to tear an ACL? Not! Yea, just as silly and irresponsible as placing kids at greater risk by having them unprepared for the rigors of football.

Since it's the safety of players were're concerned with, why not really prevent concussions by eliminating contact all together, Flag Football? No because you're not really concerned about player safety, but more so giving the appearance of limited concern. Would you propose limiting the amount of time required for teenagers to drive before getting their license, because the less time on the road limits their exposure or chances being involved in a serious accident. Not all kids play football, a small percentage, but all kids drive. Bet you and all those supposedly concerned for youth safety don't give it a second thought that distracted driving is the number one reason for youth accidents, including concussion, whiplash and death. No! Because it more important for you to over react to a popular opinion. Next time your kid leaves home with the keys and cell phone, Tell him or her to keep their head up.

You lost 2 games in 12 years as a youth football coach? Yeah right.

I want to remain anonymous, so I don't want to say to much, but seriously we lost only 2 games in the 12 years I coached. No ****. But I feel strongly about over blown concussion threat. Not saying concussions aren't serious, but not as common or harmful to garner a paranoid reaction to address. The only thing needed to be done is as the NFL is now doing. Protocols to access if a kid has had his bell ranged, hold him out the remainder of the game, verify no lingering affects (sensitivity to light etc.) and not practice or play until cleared by qualified medical personnel. Be honest bro, how many guys and how frequent have you known this quantifiable number of kids to be concussed during an average practice? Not enough to bring about significant change to this degree. I'm no hard assed neanderthal, but asking that we be reasonable to the reaction of a popular misnomer.

 

[Awesome]

This is a good regulation for the HS level since they're still amateurs. Nothing like this should be passed at the college level though.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Me personally, I think they should increase the live tackling to 120 minutes. When I coached, about the only time we went live, was for team (11 on 11), or maybe large group (9 on 7). If you need more than that, then you're just not managing your time correctly.

 

[Republicane]

What ever happened to Tony Charles?

[MENTION=12726]Canedog[/MENTION]...I think He ended up getting kicked out of UF...last I saw Him, He was playing arena ball. And His first name was Torian, not Tony.

Taurean.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

And His first name was Torian, not Tony.

Taurean.

Correct.

 

[rberryjr]

What ever happened to Tony Charles?

[MENTION=12726]Canedog[/MENTION]...I think He ended up getting kicked out of UF...last I saw Him, He was playing arena ball. And His first name was Torian, not Tony.

Taurean.

He got railroaded...

TAUREAN CHARLES: In His Own Words - Florida - Scout

 

[Coach Macho]

When I played NT for North Miami Dolphins (before they name changed to West Dade Seminoles thank god), we went up against West Miramar Panthers...they ran the same play 3 times in a row, where the Fullback was to lead the RB into the A gap, the center pulled and let me through everytime...and every time the full back went full speed towards me with his head down. I wasn't going to be a ***** and move out the way, so, I accepted his challenge every time and took on the collision (got knocked back the first time and made the tackle the other 2 times). Regardless, the collision I made with the FB was greater than either of my tackles. That was in 4th grade...

-Imagine every defensive/offensive lineman that goes through that year in and year out for 8 more years before they even get to college.
-Imagine all the south florida DB's that want to make that loud clapping "Sean Taylor shoulder tackle".
-Imagine all the south florida RB's like Duke Johnson that don't give AF about your size, they will try to run you over until you stop them.

I didn't play football long enough, but just those 3 things alone happen every week for 10-17 weeks in a row for 10+ years as a south florida baller. I have to agree with Macho that tackling isn't the problem when it comes to this rule being made.

However, I still believe what I posted earlier...that kids are just going to make matters worse by avoiding the rule. Especially if it's coaches out there that don't want to let go of the old fashion way, and don't discourage their players from contact outside of practice.

Tackling definitely isn't the main problem. It's very seldom that you really get F'd up during a tackle. It's the play-by-play collisions that ***** your head up over time.

Through high school and college I played Inside Linebacker and was also the "wedge buster" on the kick-off team. (cause I'm a nut)
All of my concussions came from taking on Fullback Iso and/or busting wedges on the kick-off.
Over the years I've seen more guys get F's up on special teams than anything else.

Son, there ain't no wedge-busters no more.

Fool, I'm talking about years ago.

 

[Coach Macho]

So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling.

LOL...no amount of contact will help Tinkerbell tackle the Dalvin Cooks of the world.

And I can tell you didn't read the article, again, they're not limiting contact, they're just limiting taking the ballcarrier to the ground.

Was just about to say this.

My kids couldn't tackle STA/Central skill players no matter how much we worked on tackling. Can't tackle what you can't touch.

 

[ben]

So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling.

LOL...no amount of contact will help Tinkerbell tackle the Dalvin Cooks of the world.

And I can tell you didn't read the article, again, they're not limiting contact, they're just limiting taking the ballcarrier to the ground.

Was just about to say this.

My kids couldn't tackle STA/Central skill players no matter how much we worked on tackling. Can't tackle what you can't touch.

did you try telling the kids the cheeseburger metaphor to see if it helped?

 

[Coach Macho]

So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling.

LOL...no amount of contact will help Tinkerbell tackle the Dalvin Cooks of the world.

And I can tell you didn't read the article, again, they're not limiting contact, they're just limiting taking the ballcarrier to the ground.

Was just about to say this.

My kids couldn't tackle STA/Central skill players no matter how much we worked on tackling. Can't tackle what you can't touch.

did you try telling the kids the cheeseburger metaphor to see if it helped?

I used my own Olive Garden metaphor. Maybe that's why it didn't work.

 

[ben]

So deeply limiting contact in practice will place kids at a greater risk, I propose, because they are ill prepared with the techniques to take on players with greater abilities or size. Kids on sorry teams will be at risk when playing the STA's and Centrals of HS football. Younger players will be at risk against older more experienced players. The quality of the game will suffer with sloppy techniques and poor tackling.

LOL...no amount of contact will help Tinkerbell tackle the Dalvin Cooks of the world.

And I can tell you didn't read the article, again, they're not limiting contact, they're just limiting taking the ballcarrier to the ground.

Was just about to say this.

My kids couldn't tackle STA/Central skill players no matter how much we worked on tackling. Can't tackle what you can't touch.

did you try telling the kids the cheeseburger metaphor to see if it helped?

I used my own Olive Garden metaphor. Maybe that's why it didn't work.

you mean the one where you yell at the team, "YOU GUYS ARE PLAYING LIKE OLIVE GARDEN OUT THERE!"