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Dr.L.ThugU said:
Socialism has never benefited anyone of any color , you racist POS
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Don't really want to chase this argument around. Too much ignorance being spewed. But, your statement about socialism never benefiting anyone of any color is a flat out lie. Historically inaccurate when it comes to ANY continent. Basic common sense here prevents you from even having to do more research. If people don't have the same basic "access" BY LAW, they can't possibly benefit as others would who do have access. And, try as we may, the numbers prove that Laws aren't color blind.

Africans who were kidnapped, murdered, raped, and sold as property in America were not allowed to own or learn/read like European migrants. How is that not more beneficial to one race over the other? European migrants were "gifted" farmland all throughout the Midwest during that time. Fact. So, how is that not more beneficial to one color over the other?

Let's not be naive.
 
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MrMachete said:
Don't really want to chase this argument around. Too much ignorance being spewed. But, your statement about socialism never benefiting anyone of any color is a flat out lie. Historically inaccurate when it comes to ANY continent. Basic common sense here prevents you from even having to do more research. If people don't have the same basic "access" BY LAW, they can't possibly benefit as others would who do have access. And, try as we may, the numbers prove that Laws aren't color blind.

Africans who were kidnapped, murdered, raped, and sold as property in America were not allowed to own or learn/read like European migrants. How is that not more beneficial to one race over the other? European migrants were "gifted" farmland all throughout the Midwest during that time. Fact. So, how is that not more beneficial to one color over the other?

Let's not be naive.
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What does anything you just said have to do with socialism ?


so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
    synonyms:leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
    • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
      synonyms:leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
    • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
 
HBCUs have a well defined niche in education, and it is valuable. They have been incubators of excellence for well over 150 years in some cases, succeeding in an environment in which they were supposed to fail. Like their PWC counterparts, the education quality varies, but if you get a talented kid from the top end institutions, you are getting a **** good applicant and possibly employee. Just remember, the Ivies are more an incubator of class, than actual talent at this point. Saying that you attended an Ivy League school is more about you being from a wealthier background, than it is an affirmation of intelligence. To quote one of my colleagues: It's tough to get into an Ivy, but once you're in it's smooth sailing from there.

I know OG overcompensates by being a name chaser, but remember the following:

Thurgood Marshall
Kasim Reed
Douglas Wilder
Harris Wofford

and others all attended and graduated from the Howard School of Law. If you would have said no to having any of those people represent you when they were in their primes, then you are someone that deserves whatever gets thrown at you. People that recognize talent know that there is and will always be talent to be mined from places like Morehouse, Howard, FAMU and others.
 
This is a hate thread lock this bytch people will never agree on this stuff man it is what it is just try and be good to people of all races is what I say and let the racist people argue with other racists.
 
Gatorhater said:
Actually is wasn't that easy for Bear. They wouldn't let him recruit black player. He schedule USC purposely, so they could kick the crap out of Bama. Embarrassed, the powers at be let him start recruiting black players and agreed to accept them. I have no idea what Bear's personal feeling were but regardless of motivation, he was a positive force. Your right about the reasons, just point out that Bear intentionally exposed the weakness in proactive effort to recruit blacks. I have family up there who worship Bama and Bear and I was alive when this happened. You might understand or might not but trust me, he risked a lot personally with that move. Whatever his motivation, he kind of broke the dam on the football filed.

I was there when Ray first stepped on field as Cane. It was only 3 or 4 years before Michell(I think Bear actually flipped him from USC) at Bama. Actually Michell had an offer of an academic scholarship from Bama before that but was committed to USC for football. The big delta for Miami was Howard recruiting black players not exactly fitting norms -- Howard went to the "hood" so to speak. For me , most of the guys he recruited were not "thugs". They seemed to enjoy that rep more than they deserved it. Either way, he took kids who probably could not really drive through Coral Gables at the time(Although that is bit of a stretch by then).

All that said, I hate seeing our kids going anywhere but The U. Nowhere is there more a family for them to join rather than a quick atm hit. We relish them while others merely put up with them. Nobody has the family our older players created and continue to support. not sure you can put a price on that. The real difference between The U and every other school is not a date on the calendar or its location; it is the fact that everything we are was the product of all those players who did it. It was not the adminstation or rich donors or tradition, or even a legendary coach it was those kids who became men before our eyes every week and still come back in numbers others can only dream of. They built the tradition, helped the school flourish and made coaches leendary. That is why it is crazy for ANY player, regardless of color, to go any place but THE U.
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Actually, Bear had two players on his roster that were Black, the problem was that freshmen weren't eligible when that famous USC game happened. The Bear knew what he was doing, he was preparing the ground to where the fans would be more accepting of minority players. Bear Bryant himself said of integration "I won't be the first to integrate, but I won't be the third". Bear Bryant wanted to win games, he wanted the best athletes he could find, and he knew that having a diverse team gave him the best chance to win. Remember, Bear wanted to integrate Kentucky, because he knew that that was the only way he could consistently compete with the heavyweights in the SEC at the time. They didn't, and hitched their wagons to Rupp, so Bryant left.
 
Dr.L.ThugU said:
What does anything you just said have to do with socialism ?


so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
    synonyms:leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
    • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
      synonyms:leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
    • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
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LMAO. Are you serious? Cognitive dissonance is a motherfugger. I'm not going to dignify your ignorance much more than this - if you're arguing that WHITE people being gifted property/farmland as a part of a Government initiative, while BLACK people (or people of color) didn't have access to the same Government initiatives during that time - wasn't both BENEFICIAL to one color over the other, AND bonafide SOCIALISM... you're out to lunch. And, well.... I'll preserve my life minutes for something else.
 
MrMachete said:
LMAO. Are you serious? Cognitive dissonance is a motherfugger. I'm not going to dignify your ignorance much more than this - if you're arguing that WHITE people being gifted property/farmland as a part of a Government initiative, while BLACK people (or people of color) didn't have access to the same Government initiatives during that time - wasn't both BENEFICIAL to one color over the other, AND bonafide SOCIALISM... you're out to lunch. And, well.... I'll preserve my life minutes for something else.
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I have no interest in any further interaction with you either. I didn't quote you in the first place. You're a pompous *** and ignorant . Unless you want to be disingenuous you know **** well that when I or anyone says "socialism never helped anyone" what is being stated is that there is not a single country in the history of the world that adopted socialism and had it's citizens thrive in the paradise some think socialism is. I suggest you move to Venezuela so you can go experience all the virtues of socialism you espouse and please , pretty please, with a cherry on top :stop quoting me. There's simply nothing you have to say I give enough of a shlt about to want to waste 30 seconds reading. Bye.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
You don't know what the **** your talking about. Those top basketball kids are playing one year. They're not getting a full education and they're there because of the basketball team's historical success just like the top kids in football flocking to Alabama. It's the winning. Secondly, UNC has had plenty of academic scandals. I have worked on Wall Street. I have friends and colleagues that attended HBCUs such as Howard and have excelled in corporate America. I wonder why you proceed to perpetuate stereotypes about these universities?
Black Ivy League


Did you know that HBCUs are more integrated than state universities?
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Ya. Wrong! We are not talking about 1 and dones which is a massive minority of college basketball players. Look at the other kids on Duke and UNC, not the ones and dones. One and done teams usually don't even do as well in the tourney as the teams that have kids who play 4-5 years.

Congrats, you know some back office wall street guys that went to an HBCU. That doesn't mean schit. Back office is a joke. They don't make schit. Also, literally anyone can go to a schitty college and work their way up, but if you go to a great school you can actually start out at a great job.

Don't make me laugh at the black Ivy league. The Ivy league is the same for everyone this is like the idiots that call UF the ivy of the south.

I don't care about how integrated they are. Good for them. My local community college is very integrated too, doesn't mean it is good.
 
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CaneSince4Ever said:
Typical response when a racist loser is losing an argument.
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At least I'm not stalking you.......Talk about being a ****** loser. This is what? The 3rd time in the thread you quote me to try and provoke me by blabbering "duh, racist, racist" ?....***n little bltch you are.
 
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lauderdaleballer said:
Shut up 🤦🏾‍♂️ haha. That’s your preference. Working in higher ed, I know successful HBCU alumni who are enjoying lucrative careers. Man stop making asinine comments about a community you know absolutely nothing about. You wouldn’t hire an HBCU alumnus but that’s why you are you and that’s fine. But when I am having meetings with high reps from Adidas responsible for the signing and marketing campaigns of our biggest sports stars today or having a scientist from NASA come down to speak to my students and they are proud HBCU alumni, I know you don’t know what you’re talking about. And that’s not counting everyone I know.

Man go somewhere with your ignorance. “HBCUs aren’t beneficial for the culture.” Man you don’t anything about our culture.

I once worked at another major p5 school and they just constructed a curriculum/graduation plan for their students about 5 years ago. Students who opted for that institution were unfortunately wasting their time taking whatever classes they felt then appealing for a interdisciplinary degree because they took trash courses for 4 years.
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LMFAOOOOO Oh. Your a teacher. Makes a lot of sense.

Not just me. No company on wall street hires new HBCU grads for any front office(AKA good job). That is just a fact. If anything white people could call me a racist because I go out of my way to hire a black when all things are equal. However, I am not going to hire some underachiever that went to an HBCU.

You clearly don't understand how outliers work. Look at Stanford grads. You can even look at Duke or UNC grads. They dominate in those fields. The fact that a handful of HBCU guys go on to become "rich" doesn't mean the schools are great. There are dropouts who are billionaires. Does that mean dropping out is better than going to Harvard in most cases?

If you go to an HBCU, 99 times out of 100, you are not getting a great job straight out the gate. You are going to have to get a low paying job, put your time in, get a higher paying job, and continue working your way up until you get a good job. People from all schools can take this path. Even online colleges.

Now, if you go to a great school you are going to be able to start at a higher paying job early on in your career. That is the difference. Trying to gas up these HBCUs is just foolish and hurtful to young kids who may end up choosing these schools because of ignorant people telling them they are "good schools".

And to your last point. No schit, obviously every school has schitty majors. If you go to an HBCU and pick some BS major you are also wasting your time.
 
You know why sucks donkey d!ck?

That people refuse to see other people’s problems or stances. I don’t care much for all of this y’all except when people say blatantly ignorant ****.

I’m black I know black history in the United States and black history in certain areas of African and central/ South America.

I don’t know all about other races history. But one thing I am is open to listening. If someone has a viewpoint different from mine. I try to place myself in their shoes to better understand.

People disagree about everything and as a military vet with time in Afghanistan and being from Detroit I got really familiar with people’s views who were different from mine.

I didn’t hate. I didn’t tell them they were wrong or liars.

How many wars have been started over bs like that?

Respect other people. Don’t dismiss their views. Some of you guys sound real factual in this thread and very dismissive of anyone else’s view.

But don’t try to read one chapter in a history book and feel you know everything about African - American history. Just as I can’t pretend to know the struggles of other cultures that I have minimal education in.

Yes I know the “headline stuff” but there is sooooo much more that has happened in countries around the world to every race of people.

Try to have a conversation with someone who has a complete opposite view from yours or who lives a complete different life from yours.....it’s eye opening and I gain respect and new knowledge of those people.

With that being said I’m amazed this thread is still going.
 
motorcitycane said:
You know why sucks donkey d!ck?

That people refuse to see other people’s problems or stances. I don’t care much for all of this y’all except when people say blatantly ignorant ****.

I’m black I know black history in the United States and black history in certain areas of African and central/ South America.

I don’t know all about other races history. But one thing I am is open to listening. If someone has a viewpoint different from mine. I try to place myself in their shoes to better understand.

People disagree about everything and as a military vet with time in Afghanistan and being from Detroit I got really familiar with people’s views who were different from mine.

I didn’t hate. I didn’t tell them they were wrong or liars.

How many wars have been started over bs like that?

Respect other people. Don’t dismiss their views. Some of you guys sound real factual in this thread and very dismissive of anyone else’s view.

But don’t try to read one chapter in a history book and feel you know everything about African - American history. Just as I can’t pretend to know the struggles of other cultures that I have minimal education in.

Yes I know the “headline stuff” but there is sooooo much more that has happened in countries around the world to every race of people.

Try to have a conversation with someone who has a complete opposite view from yours or who lives a complete different life from yours.....it’s eye opening and I gain respect and new knowledge of those people.

With that being said I’m amazed this thread is still going.
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Thank you for your service.

And thank you for providing a logical perspective on an often illogical topic.
 
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HurricaneHauk said:
Amazing how these kids go to these schools that just 50 years ago were still fighting to keep black players out of their teams....

Yeah Bear Bryant and Bama, looking at you, guy started recruiting black players because his teams started getting their *** kicked
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You got your facts wrong.

Bear Bryant was in no way, shape, or form - what you're suggesting. Just the opposite.

I don't like how Bama picks up damned near everyone they want either - but don't make up BS about Bryant to start something that is false.

Notre Dame - TODAY - are collectively some of the most racists people I've ever seen - EVER.
 
UMFarArcher said:
You got your facts wrong.

Bear Bryant was in no way, shape, or form - what you're suggesting. Just the opposite.

I don't like how Bama picks up damned near everyone they want either - but don't make up BS about Bryant to start something that is false.

Notre Dame - TODAY - are collectively some of the most racists people I've ever seen - EVER.
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I have had a much different experience with ND fans. The ones I have met are very wealthy financial guys who came from great families and are anything but racist.

However, I can certainly see the lower class fans who have no affiliation with the team, other than being part Irish, being very racist. When you have one of the biggest fanbases in CFB you are going to have a lot of racists in your ranks.
 
UMFarArcher said:
You got your facts wrong.

Bear Bryant was in no way, shape, or form - what you're suggesting. Just the opposite.

I don't like how Bama picks up damned near everyone they want either - but don't make up BS about Bryant to start something that is false.

Notre Dame - TODAY - are collectively some of the most racists people I've ever seen - EVER.
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He used the excuse of “social climate” as to why he did not recruit black players
 
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