OT: Death of mainstream sports media

jkh305

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Everyone loves to take their ESPN shots. I have no affiliation with the media besides being a journalism major one semester before coming to my senses. My question is: What is the end-game if cord-cutters, political views, etc, ultimately jeopardizes the network's success? Why would that be good for sports?

Maybe it's just me but I miss throwing on a Stu Scott SportsCenter after work. Guess you guys just really enjoy reading bloggers write about why NBA superstars need more rest and college athletes should be paid.
 
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What would be good for the overall environment would be if ESPN had a legitimate competitor that wasn't just the cord-cutting interwebs/blogosphere undefined universe that you're describing. Sadly, FS1 failed on that front by never going all-in on securing any coveted live action rights and by being a poor man's version on the "embrace debate" horse****.
 
You will be able to buy digital access without a cable subscription for XX.99 a month. They won't go away, just expand their platform after streamlining the business model a bit.
 
You will be able to buy digital access without a cable subscription for XX.99 a month. They won't go away, just expand their platform after streamlining the business model a bit.

Hopefully that's sooner rather than later though because (and I know it's a common millennial thing) I always want to punch a dude when you're over at someone's house and ask them to put on a game......and the response is "Sorry, I only have Netflix. Is it on Hulu?".
 
What would be good for the overall environment would be if ESPN had a legitimate competitor that wasn't just the cord-cutting interwebs/blogosphere undefined universe that you're describing. Sadly, FS1 failed on that front by never going all-in on securing any coveted live action rights and by being a poor man's version on the "embrace debate" horse****.

That's my biggest issue with the "Anti-Espn" crowd. FS1 is more in on the hot-take BS formula than the mothership.
 
A more important question is, with the total politicization of everything in American society, what will be the first to collapse? Will it be ESPN losing enough viewers to be viable? Will it be NBC which is perceived as fake news and not watched by viewers? The NFL, is it sports entertainment or a political platform? Perhaps it will be a product like Colt firearms, Broadway shows or Tesla cars. But, at some point the financial impact will be too much for something. Then what? Will we ever return to a situation where politics are reserved for well-defined arenas? Even well-run message boards have designated places for politics.


Other places in the world are not like this..............
 
A more important question is, with the total politicization of everything in American society, what will be the first to collapse? Will it be ESPN losing enough viewers to be viable? Will it be NBC which is perceived as fake news and not watched by viewers? The NFL, is it sports entertainment or a political platform? Perhaps it will be a product like Colt firearms, Broadway shows or Tesla cars. But, at some point the financial impact will be too much for something. Then what? Will we ever return to a situation where politics are reserved for well-defined arenas? Even well-run message boards have designated places for politics.


Other places in the world are not like this..............

This. The over-politicization of everything has all but eliminated rational discussion.
 
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if eSECpn would be a sports only company, there ratings would go thru the roof. they continue to hire and shove left wing hacks into our living rooms. i want to hear about sports. espn started its downfall with keith oberman. since then, they are tanking and i can think of no better company for it to happen to than espn.
 
if eSECpn would be a sports only company, there ratings would go thru the roof. they continue to hire and shove left wing hacks into our living rooms. i want to hear about sports. espn started its downfall with keith oberman. since then, they are tanking and i can think of no better company for it to happen to than espn.

I understand the reasons why, but my question is what comes next then?
 
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It has been over a decade where I have turned into that channel for anything other than a football game. Even then I have to remind myself about it and have an interest in watching it. They can keep their fake debates, spelling bees, texas holdem poker, over exaggeration of things, squirrels on water skis, and all the other junk.
 
Sports in general, at least in my lifetime has operated under the assumption of continued growth. In other words, every year there's been more and more interest and thus more and more money. I mean look at the salaries for professional athletes and coaches. They've only gone up and exponentially at that. TV contracts have only gotten bigger and bigger and the associated costs of being a sports fan have only gone up (ticket prices, cable packages, pay per view, etc). We've kind of reached this strange crux where things area going to change and change drastically. ESPN has struggled, not because they've lost viewership but because they didn't gain the viewership they were banking on when they paid for the NBA and NCAA broadcast rights. They assumed more and more people would watch and the it just hasn't happened. Their ratings for anything besides Monday night football are not near what they expected and thus the advertising profits aren't there either. A heard about a recent gallup poll where the number of Americans who consider themselves fans were down for every major sport besides basketball which was up slightly and soccer. Baseball fans are literally a dying breed. Auto racing has reached twenty year lows in fan interest. Sunday and Monday night football are still the most watched programs in America but overall NFL viewership and interest is down. Fan attendance is mostly down across the entire sports spectrum. Young people (18-35) are ditching cable and satellite altogether. The old model of putting television rights contracts up for bid every decade or so and collecting billions won't fly anymore. Broadcast rights are going to have to be multi media. It might be wise for the individual leagues to create their own streaming services and cut out the middle man. For example, you could subscribe to the NCAA package and have access to every game through them for a premium. No need to pay for ESPN when you only want it for NCAA coverage. Or NBA or NFL or whatever.
 
Sports in general, at least in my lifetime has operated under the assumption of continued growth. In other words, every year there's been more and more interest and thus more and more money. I mean look at the salaries for professional athletes and coaches. They've only gone up and exponentially at that. TV contracts have only gotten bigger and bigger and the associated costs of being a sports fan have only gone up (ticket prices, cable packages, pay per view, etc). We've kind of reached this strange crux where things area going to change and change drastically. ESPN has struggled, not because they've lost viewership but because they didn't gain the viewership they were banking on when they paid for the NBA and NCAA broadcast rights. They assumed more and more people would watch and the it just hasn't happened. Their ratings for anything besides Monday night football are not near what they expected and thus the advertising profits aren't there either. A heard about a recent gallup poll where the number of Americans who consider themselves fans were down for every major sport besides basketball which was up slightly and soccer. Baseball fans are literally a dying breed. Auto racing has reached twenty year lows in fan interest. Sunday and Monday night football are still the most watched programs in America but overall NFL viewership and interest is down. Fan attendance is mostly down across the entire sports spectrum. Young people (18-35) are ditching cable and satellite altogether. The old model of putting television rights contracts up for bid every decade or so and collecting billions won't fly anymore. Broadcast rights are going to have to be multi media. It might be wise for the individual leagues to create their own streaming services and cut out the middle man. For example, you could subscribe to the NCAA package and have access to every game through them for a premium. No need to pay for ESPN when you only want it for NCAA coverage. Or NBA or NFL or whatever.

Great post. Made me look at things from a different perspective.
 
What would be good for the overall environment would be if ESPN had a legitimate competitor that wasn't just the cord-cutting interwebs/blogosphere undefined universe that you're describing. Sadly, FS1 failed on that front by never going all-in on securing any coveted live action rights and by being a poor man's version on the "embrace debate" horse****.

That's my biggest issue with the "Anti-Espn" crowd. FS1 is more in on the hot-take BS formula than the mothership.

Giving Cowherd and Bayless monster deals is when I knew there was zero hope for it. Even if they're less social-justicey than the mothership, you can't help but pollute your product with politics and pure stupidity when you go all-in on "hot takes" and fake debate. It's funny though as the execs say that's what the younger generations love.....as they also bemoan that same generation's proclivity toward cord cutting.
 
If I wanted to watch political debate, I'd watch the news.

Online streaming cutting out faux debate and hot takes appears more worth it.
 
What would be good for the overall environment would be if ESPN had a legitimate competitor that wasn't just the cord-cutting interwebs/blogosphere undefined universe that you're describing. Sadly, FS1 failed on that front by never going all-in on securing any coveted live action rights and by being a poor man's version on the "embrace debate" horse****.

That's my biggest issue with the "Anti-Espn" crowd. FS1 is more in on the hot-take BS formula than the mothership.

Giving Cowherd and Bayless monster deals is when I knew there was zero hope for it. Even if they're less social-justicey than the mothership, you can't help but pollute your product with politics and pure stupidity when you go all-in on "hot takes" and fake debate. It's funny though as the execs say that's what the younger generations love.....as they also bemoan that same generation's proclivity toward cord cutting.

This.

I never watch ESPN anymore unless they have a game on i'm interested in. They went all in on two concepts, the 'hot take' editorial and 'sportertainment'. In doing so, they brought the level of intelligence down to around the point of hearing two drunk guys arguing at your local bar.
 
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This.

I never watch ESPN anymore unless they have a game on i'm interested in. They went all in on two concepts, the 'hot take' editorial and 'sportertainment'. In doing so, they brought the level of intelligence down to around the point of hearing two drunk guys arguing at your local bar.[/QUOTE]

In it's heyday ESPN was fantastic, but then it tried to be all things to all people. The just kept adding more and more talking head shows and the inevitable happened. When I was younger my TV always had ESPN on, especially when I was single, it was ambient noise. Like many have said I never watch now aside from CFB, the only Gameday I've watched in the last 6 or 8 years was LY when they were at UM and that lasted about 30 minutes.
They seriously lost their way.
 
if eSECpn would be a sports only company, there ratings would go thru the roof. they continue to hire and shove left wing hacks into our living rooms. i want to hear about sports. espn started its downfall with keith oberman. since then, they are tanking and i can think of no better company for it to happen to than espn.

You can thank Disney.
 
I wish they’d just fix sportscenter. All I want is highlights, every game, a few minutes long. Not just certain teams, certain plays, and then fifteen minutes of lebron(insert any other big time player) interviews blah blah blah. Give me highlights. Give me the top ten plays of the night. I want hockey, I want nba, ncaa top 25, then give me one small dose of a big story. But now it’s just a few top games with few total highlights and the rest is just opinion garbage. I can’t watch it, I got cable back for the first time in like 5+ years and I don’t even watch sportscenter. It’s just not entertaining.
 
Sports in general, at least in my lifetime has operated under the assumption of continued growth. In other words, every year there's been more and more interest and thus more and more money. I mean look at the salaries for professional athletes and coaches. They've only gone up and exponentially at that. TV contracts have only gotten bigger and bigger and the associated costs of being a sports fan have only gone up (ticket prices, cable packages, pay per view, etc). We've kind of reached this strange crux where things area going to change and change drastically. ESPN has struggled, not because they've lost viewership but because they didn't gain the viewership they were banking on when they paid for the NBA and NCAA broadcast rights. They assumed more and more people would watch and the it just hasn't happened. Their ratings for anything besides Monday night football are not near what they expected and thus the advertising profits aren't there either. A heard about a recent gallup poll where the number of Americans who consider themselves fans were down for every major sport besides basketball which was up slightly and soccer. Baseball fans are literally a dying breed. Auto racing has reached twenty year lows in fan interest. Sunday and Monday night football are still the most watched programs in America but overall NFL viewership and interest is down. Fan attendance is mostly down across the entire sports spectrum. Young people (18-35) are ditching cable and satellite altogether. The old model of putting television rights contracts up for bid every decade or so and collecting billions won't fly anymore. Broadcast rights are going to have to be multi media. It might be wise for the individual leagues to create their own streaming services and cut out the middle man. For example, you could subscribe to the NCAA package and have access to every game through them for a premium. No need to pay for ESPN when you only want it for NCAA coverage. Or NBA or NFL or whatever.
Excellent post. On point and free of any political agenda.

ESPN, Sportscenter, GameDay...the chyron...I don’t have a problem with any of it (well, that’s not totally true, I hated Mike&Mike. The show and both Mikes). Now, there are some individual announcers I may not care for, but that’s with any channel.

But things evolve. I remember when MTV and VH1 actually played videos. Then reality TV happened and almost all stations got religion.

Two things to look for in 2018 viewership trends to see where the bottom line is being pressured: The Olympics (Korea; few Russians, many banned) and World Cup (Russia; no USA). Plus, with Disney’s purchase of some Fox assets there strategy for more local/regional footprint becomes more dominant.

ESPN isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
 
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