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1LuvCane said:
They cling to revisionist history. Cuba's economy was thriving until the revolution happened.
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One of the simplest easy to understand facts that should be considered when discussing pre and post Castro Cuba is the people who fled the island in rafts or what ever during the Castro's regime. No ******* body would risk their life doing that shiit before 1959.
As a long time Miamian I have 60 years of countless stories from countless exiles as to what the Castro regime did to the island. Many people here don't have the story straight... and the reason why is because some people (for various reasons) have been bullshiited about the Communist island's 61 year existence.
 
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troycbullock said:
Once again. He did it how he wanted to. That is his prerogative. It is what it is and he has to live with what he has done and the legacy he has left. I respect him for that. BTW, I am just curious. What would you consider to be the “correct message”?
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It's not so much a "correct" message (poor wording on my part), but just one that needs to be effective. I mean, you can go to war and **** off everyone along the way, but you likely won't accomplish a lot and just end up with a lot of ****ed people. The problem is the only people who are going to support your cause are the ones who already do for the most part. If you want to make real changes, you need to convince the people who are indifferent or even opposed to it to buy into your message. You need to get the people who can make those changes on your side.

-Vaguely stating "cops" and insulting police, the police have tuned him out. These are people from within who could have helped make changes from within. This is where he lost me.
-Propose a solution to the problem, or a willingness to help bring both sides to the table. Changes won't get made if you demand everything without giving the other side a reason to work with you.
-Be genuine. Don't tout you gave up all this money for your beliefs, but then complain when the expected result occurs. Then in fighting to prove you belong, bring unrealistic pay expectations and an unwanted circus, but complain about being blackballed. Nothing feels genuine about him. It feels like everything he does is to stay relevant so he can keep getting NIKE adds and such.
 
poncho0091 said:
It's not so much a "correct" message (poor wording on my part), but just one that needs to be effective. I mean, you can go to war and **** off everyone along the way, but you likely won't accomplish a lot and just end up with a lot of ****ed people. The problem is the only people who are going to support your cause are the ones who already do for the most part. If you want to make real changes, you need to convince the people who are indifferent or even opposed to it to buy into your message. You need to get the people who can make those changes on your side.

-Vaguely stating "cops" and insulting police, the police have tuned him out. These are people from within who could have helped make changes from within. This is where he lost me.
-Propose a solution to the problem, or a willingness to help bring both sides to the table. Changes won't get made if you demand everything without giving the other side a reason to work with you.
-Be genuine. Don't tout you gave up all this money for your beliefs, but then complain when the expected result occurs. Then in fighting to prove you belong, bring unrealistic pay expectations and an unwanted circus, but complain about being blackballed. Nothing feels genuine about him. It feels like everything he does is to stay relevant so he can keep getting NIKE adds and such.
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I hear what you are saying but unfortunately there is a good amount of the US population who will never see police brutality as an issue regardless of how the message is presented. Mostly due to a lack of perspective, lack of relevance and down right denial. A light must continuously be shinned on it until their are repercussions to those cops who chose to act in a reckless manner.
 
JOE'CANE said:
There is no such thing as social justice, there is only justice.
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Do you mean that the concept of social justice doesn't exist? I'm not sure you can argue that an idea doesn't exist. Do you mean social justice is not being implement in our society? You are correct there. Do you mean, that justice (the idea of fairness) is what we should strive for in every facet and manner and therefore the idea of social justice (fairness in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society) need not exist than maybe I see your point.


JOE'CANE said:
The idea of social justice is the antithesis of individualism and kills the essence of American values.
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In your previous sentence you argued that the idea of social justice doesn't exist, but now you say it does? For this comparison let's agree the idea of social justice exist.

American Values as defined in the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Social Justice as define by Wikipedia:
"Social justice is a concept of fair and just relations between the individual and society, as measured by the distribution of wealth, opportunities for personal activity, and social privileges."

Now while you these two might not be 100% match I would not call one the antithesis of the other.
 
troycbullock said:
I hear what you are saying but unfortunately there is a good amount of the US population who will never see police brutality as an issue regardless of how the message is presented. Mostly due to a lack of perspective, lack of relevance and down right denial. A light must continuously be shinned on it until their are repercussions to those cops who chose to act in a reckless manner.
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Absolutely... as a victim of police brutality and innocent but found guilty in a court, I have been saying for many years that there should be comprehensive psychological testing and evaluations before a police officer is given a badge. Some people simply do not have the emotional stability and may bring deep underlying prejudices and cannot be fair and effective cops.
 
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He had a drop in performance after 2014. I don't know if he got distracted, if he had supporting cast that made him look better than he was, but he wasn't the same.

His actions don't portray a person who's primary focus is an NFL career. If it was, he would've found a way to get on the field.
 
canegrad said:
Do you mean that the concept of social justice doesn't exist? I'm not sure you can argue that an idea doesn't exist. Do you mean social justice is not being implement in our society? You are correct there. Do you mean, that justice (the idea of fairness) is what we should strive for in every facet and manner and therefore the idea of social justice (fairness in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society) need not exist than maybe I see your point.




In your previous sentence you argued that the idea of social justice doesn't exist, but now you say it does? For this comparison let's agree the idea of social justice exist.

American Values as defined in the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Social Justice as define by Wikipedia:
"Social justice is a concept of fair and just relations between the individual and society, as measured by the distribution of wealth, opportunities for personal activity, and social privileges."

Now while you these two might not be 100% match I would not call one the antithesis of the other.
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Im not going to get in a long drawn out back and fourth with people that are more than likely set in their views.

All i will say is that social justice is not justice that is why I say it doesnt exist. The idea of it, like the definition you quoted, is amazing on paper but horrible in implementing. Who decides what is fair and just? What is a fair distribution of wealth? What is a fair opportunity of social privileges?

It is all bogus, fake utopian rubbish. The best outcome you can have is empowering an individual and letting that individual decide, on a voluntary bases, what is fair and just.

Btw you can take the social justice definition from wikipedia or from a scholarly article but the concept of social justice, as used today in most circles, is the idea of group justice rather than the idea of individual justice.

Lets not play coy you know that is the context in most of these conversations.

With that said enjoy your evening.
 
gruntking said:
One of the simplest easy to understand facts that should be considered when discussing pre and post Castro Cuba is the people who fled the island in rafts or what ever during the Castro's regime. No ******* body would risk their life doing that shiit before 1959.
As a long time Miamian I have 60 years of countless stories from countless exiles as to what the Castro regime did to the island. Many people here don't have the story straight... and the reason why is because some people (for various reasons) have been bullshiited about the Communist island's 61 year existence.
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Im reminded constantly of the evils. Dad had his 77th birthday on April 6th. When I spoke to him he mentioned he hadn't spent a birthday isolated since 1959. Which he spent it in the Costa Rican embassy exiled because Castro was going to kill my grandfather and his sons.
 
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cane_boi said:
The mere mention of his name causes people to spew venom and wish death on him as if he’s a mass murderer. It’s truly fascinating to watch.
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What do you expect when this hoe *** forum is filled with right wing nut jobs, *****, & Stephens from Django? These whackos are delusional and live in an alternative universe.
 
gruntking said:
One of the simplest easy to understand facts that should be considered when discussing pre and post Castro Cuba is the people who fled the island in rafts or what ever during the Castro's regime. No ******* body would risk their life doing that shiit before 1959.
As a long time Miamian I have 60 years of countless stories from countless exiles as to what the Castro regime did to the island. Many people here don't have the story straight... and the reason why is because some people (for various reasons) have been bullshiited about the Communist island's 61 year existence.
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Sounds like either you, or they, misremembered - or you or they are lying; it’s one of the two. No one said Cuba under Castro was a picnic -that wasn’t even the initial point being made- but to deny that Batista’s Castro was also corrupt and murderous and that the economy was staggered is to deny facts.
 
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