OT. Colin Kaepernick

[poncho0091]

I’m always amazed at the people who want to decide when/where protests should go on, as if whatever someone was protesting was a cause from the sky like manna from heaven.

I don’t regard Kaepernick as a ***** because he sat out the national anthem and DID NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO HIMSELF (one of the biggest lies about his sitting/kneeling protest), I regard him as a ***** for what he didn’t do after. He just wasn’t ready for the media or the moment.

- Kaepernick never “brought attention” to the cause, because the cause was well under way! Eric Garner, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice were being protested by Black Lives Matter in … 2014! Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, and Sandra Bland were being protested by Black Lives Mater in … 2015! Philando Castille was 2016… and the summer of 2016 is when Kaepernick sat out the anthem for the FIRST time.

so to address your points:

1. ****. He still had enough value to go somewhere.
2. Wrong again. He never approached the problem thinking it would get that much attention. It wasn’t until the 3rd preseason game that anyone noticed.
3. The vast majority of people who think Kaepernick made it about color are racist. It had less to do with color and more to do with police brutality in black and brown communities - something Kaepernick said himself as many times as he was interviewed. White v Black was a racist red-herring.
4. he never actually spoke the words “all cops suck” … ever, but socks, etc definitely muddled that message. You get .5 of a point. It wouldn’t have mattered for the media and people who were ****-bent on twisting his message, it he definitely had a hand in it.
5. Homestead Strike, Woolworth lunch counters, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, tank man in Tiananmen Square … sometimes the venue is the venue and the more public the more symbolic.
6. Fault on both sides? Fuuuuuuccccckkkkkk yooooouuuuuu.
7. Kaepernick is not serious about the NFL, imo.

--If someone started protesting something in your front yard that you did not support or that was going to hurt your finances in the future, you would be good with it?
--I agree that he was a ***** for not doing anything with it. You want to support the cause, come up with realistic solutions.
--Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, and Eric Garner, absolutely prime examples of poor judgement by the police (More about **** poor training and aggressiveness than race imo). Michael Brown!!! Give me a break. This dude is garbage. I won't get into BLM, because just like the kap situation, they are another group who had an uncontrolled message and offered unrealistic solutions to the problems. BLM needed a true leader at the forefront, but they had too many people out there making them look foolish and confusing the message.

1. I didn't say he had no value. I said he didn't have the value he believed he had. PR is included in people's value. Antonio Brown is an amazing talent, but his value is significantly reduced, because he's an idiot.
2. You don't plan to get attention, then why bother? You don't plan to help solve the problem, then sit the **** down.
3. When you don't control your message, is gets turned into whatever people might spin it into. If you're going to put yourself in this spotlight, and use this platform, you better have the correct, specific and well thought out message or you're just another idiot talking.
4. I never said that he said all cops. I said that his message was vague and generalized. If I said blacks/whites/blue people did ***, did I make it clear I am pointing the finger at individuals or as a groups as a whole?
5. Fair, use the most impactful venue, but understand when you're using someone else's platform, they have every right to handle you as necessary in the future. Don't cry about being blackballed when you're using someone else's venue in a way that hurts their business.
6. Sad you can't be mature about it, but if you think this is 1 sided, you're in denial. Not every case of police brutality began with a cop just beating someone's ***. Some do and they should be punished, but some of these people force escalation that when viewed through a small clip looks like something it may not be.
7. agreed.

 

[poncho0091]

Kills me when people say protest the right way, smfh. In other words "protest where I can't hear or see it so it doesn't bother me" is what they mean to say.

That's not my issue with him using the NFL's platform. My issue is him crying about being blackballed and oppressed, because they didn't want their platform used in a way that would hurt their business. As i told the other guy, you can use whatever platform you want, but there may be repercussions that you should be fully aware of before you do it.

Additionally, protest in whatever manner you see fit, but don't complain when your message is not taken well, because you addressed it like an idiot. Be specific, concise, and come willing to work with other and support a solution. Otherwise get out of the way of those who might.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

--If someone started protesting something in your front yard that you did not support or that was going to hurt your finances in the future, you would be good with it?
--I agree that he was a ***** for not doing anything with it. You want to support the cause, come up with realistic solutions.
--Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, and Eric Garner, absolutely prime examples of poor judgement by the police (More about **** poor training and aggressiveness than race imo). Michael Brown!!! Give me a break. This dude is garbage. I won't get into BLM, because just like the kap situation, they are another group who had an uncontrolled message and offered unrealistic solutions to the problems. BLM needed a true leader at the forefront, but they had too many people out there making them look foolish and confusing the message.

1. I didn't say he had no value. I said he didn't have the value he believed he had. PR is included in people's value. Antonio Brown is an amazing talent, but his value is significantly reduced, because he's an idiot.
2. You don't plan to get attention, then why bother? You don't plan to help solve the problem, then sit the **** down.
3. When you don't control your message, is gets turned into whatever people might spin it into. If you're going to put yourself in this spotlight, and use this platform, you better have the correct, specific and well thought out message or you're just another idiot talking.
4. I never said that he said all cops. I said that his message was vague and generalized. If I said blacks/whites/blue people did ***, did I make it clear I am pointing the finger at individuals or as a groups as a whole?
5. Fair, use the most impactful venue, but understand when you're using someone else's platform, they have every right to handle you as necessary in the future. Don't cry about being blackballed when you're using someone else's venue in a way that hurts their business.
6. Sad you can't be mature about it, but if you think this is 1 sided, you're in denial. Not every case of police brutality began with a cop just beating someone's ***. Some do and they should be punished, but some of these people force escalation that when viewed through a small clip looks like something it may not be.
7. agreed.

6. I doubt your mental capacity and development and honesty when you default to “not every case”. Searching for “exceptions” to YOUR standard when there are ample EXAMPLES of police brutality based on societies expectation only reveals your agenda. Good day.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

That's not my issue with him using the NFL's platform. My issue is him crying about being blackballed and oppressed, because they didn't want their platform used in a way that would hurt their business. As i told the other guy, you can use whatever platform you want, but there may be repercussions that you should be fully aware of before you do it.

Additionally, protest in whatever manner you see fit, but don't complain when your message is not taken well, because you addressed it like an idiot. Be specific, concise, and come willing to work with other and support a solution. Otherwise get out of the way of those who might.

You do realize both can happen and he still have a case? A case settled by the NFL.

Any individual owner can decide to not hire Kaepernick, it’s just not legal for all of the owners to collude to do it. Do you not understand that? Rhetorical. If you did, you wouldn’t use that point.

 

[poncho0091]

6. I doubt your mental capacity and development and honesty when you default to “not every case”. Searching for “exceptions” to YOUR standard when there are ample EXAMPLES of police brutality based on societies expectation only reveals your agenda. Good day.

That's great, because I doubt your ability to use reason and remove your emotions when you then assume "every case". Every person the police try to arrest are obedient and civil and it's just the policeman who escalated things. I'm not the biggest fan of cops, but I understand their purpose and what they may have to face on a regular basis. Some are not suited for the job, they are taught how to use force for a reason.

 

[troycbullock]

Shedding light and actually doing something that might change the problems are two completely different things. He was misguided and should still support his belief by protesting in the right context and at the right venue(like at police stations would be a perfect start).

Protests are protests. They are meant to disrupt. Who are we to suggest when and where is the “right place” for a person to protest. There are consequences that come with protests that dictates whether they choose to do it or not.

 

[canecrazy23]

Protests are protests. They are meant to disrupt. Who are we to suggest when and where is the “right place” for a person to protest. There are consequences that come with protests that dictates whether they choose to do it or not.

I have to agree with you here. I just think he could have done this a different way and had a Major impact on a problem that is still bad. Now we have people making fun of him instead of praising him for his stand.

 

[poncho0091]

You do realize both can happen and he still have a case? A case settled by the NFL.

Any individual owner can decide to not hire Kaepernick, it’s just not legal for all of the owners to collude to do it. Do you not understand that? Rhetorical. If you did, you wouldn’t use that point.

Get out of your emotions already. I understood that long ago considering it was on ESPN and other sports broadcasts 24/7, but just like others, can't stay on topic, and you gotta try to go to an underhanded insult rather than effectively make your point. People caught up in their emotions have blinders on and can't see past their own biases. You can't discuss civilly so you resort to petty ****. If I don't have the mental capacity or enough sense to understand something discussed ad nauseum, then why are you even replying?

On topic, you're correct, he can have a case. It's completely based on speculation, but most of us believe that speculation to be true. The problem is he should have known what to expect when he started doing this. I'm sure his agent had these discussions with him, if not, his agent should have been fired. Even if there wasn't colluding against him, what owner would have brought him in. Nobody wants the circus that's following.

More importantly, this man is not acting in good faith. He's putting on a show. If it's not about money, then don't request starter money of $20M+ to get your opportunity. If it's about getting a shot to show you still have the skills, noone is going to sign a potential backup so he can bring a circus with him. A settlement is not an admission of guilt, it's sometimes cheaper to pay up in order to move on from some situations. Do you not understand that? Rhetorical. If you did, you wouldn’t use that point. Funny, because for a man who it was not about the money, but was going into a contract year about to be paid as a backup, he sure had no problem taking that settlement. If it was about the truth and not about the money, he would have continued the fight to get court settled verdict of guilt.

 

[poncho0091]

Protests are protests. They are meant to disrupt. Who are we to suggest when and where is the “right place” for a person to protest. There are consequences that come with protests that dictates whether they choose to do it or not.

You are correct, and my wording is not intended to say he can't protest however he wants. I'm just saying, don't expect your message to have a positive impact if you don't refine it and distribute it in a way to get the right people to support your cause and make changes.

 

[troycbullock]

What process. Nothing has changed except the fact that people think he's a clown now. He could have done this differently and it might have made an incredible impact. Instead everyone just looks back at it like a joke.

Believing Kap to be a clown because of his beliefs and the subsequent actions are one thing. But to view him with such vitriol hate and wishing bad things to happen to him is ridiculous and appalling.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

You are correct, and my wording is not intended to say he can't protest however he wants. I'm just saying, don't expect your message to have a positive impact if you don't refine it and distribute it in a way to get the right people to support your cause and make changes.

I am correct; and you’re still wrong. People mostly don’t respond to protests not because they’re not “packaged properly”, they don’t respond because it doesn’t affect them and/or they don’t want to be bothered - because oftentimes they’re part of the problem. Non-violent protests of the 50’s and 60’s were met with violence: bullets, dogs, water hoses, bombs and lynchings. But you’re saying, “it wasn’t packaged” to meet people when they’re ready to receive it. I’ve wasted enough time with you. LOL.

i didn’t even read the other post.

 

[canecrazy23]

Believing Kap to be a clown because of his beliefs and the subsequent actions are one thing. But to view him with such vitriol hate and wishing bad things to happen to him is ridiculous and appalling.

Wait who said anything about wishing bad things to happen to him or are you referring to someone else because that's just childish.

 

[poncho0091]

I am correct; and you’re still wrong. People mostly don’t respond to protests not because they’re not “packaged properly”, they don’t respond because it doesn’t affect them and/or they don’t want to be bothered - because oftentimes they’re part of the problem. Non-violent protests of the 50’s and 60’s were met with violence: bullets, dogs, water hoses, bombs and lynchings. But you’re saying, “it wasn’t packaged” to meet people when they’re ready to receive it. I’ve wasted enough time with you. LOL.

i didn’t even read the other post.

You didn't read, because you already got your blinders on.

 

[troycbullock]

You are correct, and my wording is not intended to say he can't protest however he wants. I'm just saying, don't expect your message to have a positive impact if you don't refine it and distribute it in a way to get the right people to support your cause and make changes.

Some people supported him and some didn’t. That is what happens regardless of the message or method it was delivered. He is a professional athlete who was made aware of a wrong and he chose to act on it in his own way. Why would you expect him to have formulated a strategy as if he were a life long civil activist?

 

[1LuvCane]

So you think things under Batista in Cuba were worse than under Castro? As I recall, no Cubans fled to Miami under Batista. Apples and oranges my friend. Batista was crooked like a Boss Tweed or a Huey Long. Castro on the other hand was a despicable, murderous communist dictator who made the entire country miserable. Sixty years later, Cuba is still suffering and under oppression.

They cling to revisionist history. Cuba's economy was thriving until the revolution happened.

 

[poncho0091]

Some people supported him and some didn’t. That is what happens regardless of the message or method it was delivered. He is a professional athlete who was made aware of a wrong and he chose to act on it in his own way. Why would you expect him to have formulated a strategy as if he were a life long civil activist?

Because he's putting himself out there as a civil activist, and his agent is a professional who could have easily helped send the correct message. It doesn't matter how long you been doing it.

 

[1LuvCane]

Excuses...just admit that you don't give AF about cops shooting unarmed, innocent civilians.

Life sucks.....

 

[troycbullock]

Wait who said anything about wishing bad things to happen to him or are you referring to someone else because that's just childish.

My initial reply on this topic was to ask a poster why they wished bad things on Kap and it morphed into this discussion.

Wait who said anything about wishing bad things to happen to him or are you referring to someone else because that's just childish.

I was simply responding to a poster on why they wanted to hear that Kap died from the Corona Virus. Of course, I didn’t get that answer and the conversation opened up to what we have now.

 

[troycbullock]

Because he's putting himself out there as a civil activist, and his agent is a professional who could have easily helped send the correct message. It doesn't matter how long you been doing it.

Once again. He did it how he wanted to. That is his prerogative. It is what it is and he has to live with what he has done and the legacy he has left. I respect him for that. BTW, I am just curious. What would you consider to be the “correct message”?

 

[Silver King]

I guess he's back in the league. With the Jets. 1 year, 9 million dollar contract.

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