OT. Colin Kaepernick

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Before January 1st 1959, the US had a friendly relationship with Cuba, regardless of who was president, and people from both countries would travel back and forth at will. Yes organized crime took advantage of the freedom, but so did the Cuban citizens who wanted to be entrepreneurs or just live normal lives. When Castro takes over then the world sees what he's all about, and the US and others lost assets and a lot of money when Castro took total control of everything on the island. Only then did Castro reach out to his Soviet likeminded buddies for support and a convenient Soviet outpost 90 miles from Florida was established... history knows where that went in the early 60's.

Your post is full of lies, inaccuracies and Cuban-American propaganda. The US supported Batista BEFORE Castro (basically, the US bet on the wrong horse).

Back in power, and receiving financial, military, and logistical support from the United States government,[7][8] Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[9] Eventually it reached the point where most of the sugar industry was in U.S. hands, and foreigners owned 70% of the arable land.[10] As such, Batista's repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with both the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large U.S.-based multinational companies who were awarded lucrative contracts.[9][11] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions. These murders mounted in 1957, as Fidel Castro gained more publicity and influence. Many people were killed, with estimates ranging from hundreds to about 20,000 people killed.[12][13][14][15][16][17][18]

Among the opponents of Batista, many wanted to accommodate the United States. However, Castro belonged to a faction which opposed U.S. influence. Castro did not forgive the U.S. supply of arms to Batista during the revolution. On 5 June 1958, at the height of the revolution, he had written: "The Americans are going to pay dearly for what they are doing. When the war is over, I'll start a much longer and bigger war of my own: the war I’m going to fight against them. That will be my true destiny".[132] (The United States had stopped supplies to Batista in March 1958, but left its Military Advisory Group in Cuba).[133]

So, before YOU turn this thread political, you might want to read a bit of history.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

I am pretty sure Kap didn’t believe he would end police brutality. He was looking to shed light on police brutality and its devastating affects. His decision to kneel was a way to garner national attention to the cause. That is what an affective “social” protest does. He felt that kneeling would be the most effective way to shed light on his cause. The funny thing is, his kneeling flew under the radar for weeks before it became a national discussion.

Just a coincidence then he started doing once the team wasn't as good, his stats weren't as good, and he was going to lose his starting QB spot?

Would Kap have done it if Harbaugh was still coaching them and they were in the middle of a 11-1 season?

 

[poncho0091]

The premise of what he's claiming to support might be good, but he is not a good representative. Just a few of the Kap issues.

1. His moves are well timed. His career was on the way out and he made a move to gain national attention. Everytime he starts to fade from the spotlight, he makes an effort to get his name out there for a bit again. At no point does he ever actually feel genuine.

2. He never approached the situation intending to solve the problem, or at the very least, his attempts are childish and juvenile. Remember when this first started, and he wore socks of pigs in police uniforms? Noone is going to work with you when you approach it that way. He never made real attempts to fix issues, he just tries to stir up media outrage.

3. He made this about color. It never should have been about color. Do racist cops exist? Sure, but you've alienated all the good cops in the process and have people making it out that all cops are racist. Your message became less about police brutality and more about white vs black.

4. Do not generalize the topic to "cops are bad". Are there police who take it too far? Yes, but now you've got a target on all the good cops out there. Let's see most of you guys make life or death decisions in a half second when it's your life on the line. What needs to occur from the police stand point is things like body cams and better training and evaluation of guys who are just not suited for the job.

5. Use "YOUR" platform. The NFL is not your platform, it is your employer's platform. The NFL put you in a position, using your talents, to have a platform of your own. Call a press conference on your own time. There are tons of celebrities who use their platform to support causes. How many movie stars use every one of their movie premiers to incite violence and anger for their cause. An occasional word or statement to support a cause, maybe, but usually they do that on their own time to say something. I mean seriously, TO was able to get reporters to his house over his dispute with the eagles while he was doing situps, so it's not that hard. THE NFL HAS EVERY RIGHT NOT TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE BUSINESS!!! At the end of the day, just like any business, the NFL is going to support their bottom line.

6. There is fault on both sides. Get the police and communities together to work on relations. Not every incident is the cops fault, but the media may spin it that way, because it's a better news story.

7. Kap, stop acting like you want to get back in the NFL. You are just trying to keep using the NFL platform to maintain your relevance. Your career was already on the decline and now you've been out or years. If it was really about playing, stop asking for starter salary or expecting to just be made as a starter. If it was about playing, the NFL gave you a chance for a workout and you pulled some childish bs to go somewhere at the last minute, and selfishly wasting lots of people's time. What's worse is he looked like garbage during the workout at the high school.

 

[troycbullock]

Before January 1st 1959, the US had a friendly relationship with Cuba, regardless of who was president, and people from both countries would travel back and forth at will. Yes organized crime took advantage of the freedom, but so did the Cuban citizens who wanted to be entrepreneurs or just live normal lives. When Castro takes over then the world sees what he's all about, and the US and others lost assets and a lot of money when Castro took total control of everything on the island. Only then did Castro reach out to his Soviet likeminded buddies for support and a convenient Soviet outpost 90 miles from Florida was established... history knows where that went in the early 60's.

Just a coincidence then he started doing once the team wasn't as good, his stats weren't as good, and he was going to lose his starting QB spot?

Would Kap have done it if Harbaugh was still coaching them and they were in the middle of a 11-1 season?

We will never know that for sure. However, even mediocre QB’s can make a lucrative living in the NFL. He was relatively young, had major accomplishments at the position and still had the physical tools. He would have had an lucrative opportunity with another team. He simply ran his course is SF. The timing of his desire to protest could be better linked to the people in his inner circles.

 

[BS85]

People don't want to mix politics or any other controversial issue with sports. Take that stuff somewhere else where it belongs. Brutality isn't just committed by police... address the brutality issue accurately and honestly.

Sorry but what other brutality are you talking about?

 

[troycbullock]

The premise of what he's claiming to support might be good, but he is not a good representative. Just a few of the Kap issues.

1. His moves are well timed. His career was on the way out and he made a move to gain national attention. Everytime he starts to fade from the spotlight, he makes an effort to get his name out there for a bit again. At no point does he ever actually feel genuine.

2. He never approached the situation intending to solve the problem, or at the very least, his attempts are childish and juvenile. Remember when this first started, and he wore socks of pigs in police uniforms? Noone is going to work with you when you approach it that way. He never made real attempts to fix issues, he just tries to stir up media outrage.

3. He made this about color. It never should have been about color. Do racist cops exist? Sure, but you've alienated all the good cops in the process and have people making it out that all cops are racist. Your message became less about police brutality and more about white vs black.

4. Do not generalize the topic to "cops are bad". Are there police who take it too far? Yes, but now you've got a target on all the good cops out there. Let's see most of you guys make life or death decisions in a half second when it's your life on the line. What needs to occur from the police stand point is things like body cams and better training and evaluation of guys who are just not suited for the job.

5. Use "YOUR" platform. The NFL is not your platform, it is your employer's platform. The NFL put you in a position, using your talents, to have a platform of your own. Call a press conference on your own time. There are tons of celebrities who use their platform to support causes. How many movie stars use every one of their movie premiers to incite violence and anger for their cause. An occasional word or statement to support a cause, maybe, but usually they do that on their own time to say something. I mean seriously, TO was able to get reporters to his house over his dispute with the eagles while he was doing situps, so it's not that hard. THE NFL HAS EVERY RIGHT NOT TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE BUSINESS!!! At the end of the day, just like any business, the NFL is going to support their bottom line.

6. There is fault on both sides. Get the police and communities together to work on relations. Not every incident is the cops fault, but the media may spin it that way, because it's a better news story.

7. Kap, stop acting like you want to get back in the NFL. You are just trying to keep using the NFL platform to maintain your relevance. Your career was already on the decline and now you've been out or years. If it was really about playing, stop asking for starter salary or expecting to just be made as a starter. If it was about playing, the NFL gave you a chance for a workout and you pulled some childish bs to go somewhere at the last minute, and selfishly wasting lots of people's time. What's worse is he looked like garbage during the workout at the high school.

I addressed some of these in my last post but will briefly address each point.

1. He ran his course with SF but don’t know what he could have accomplished elsewhere. See Tannyhill’s resurgence.
2. I don’t believe he was looking to solve the problem but bring it light to it to start the process. That is what protest are
3. It is about color because people of color were being beaten and killed. Google photo comparisons of mass gunman being taken into custody and people of color being brought in for far lesser offenses and you will see a difference.
4. No one is saying all cops are bad. There are a lot of bad cops who abuse their authority.
5. A platform is what you chose to use. He choose the NFL because of the eye balls. He got what he wanted.
6. I agree with this but it can only happen when the general public acknowledges that there is a police brutality is a problem.
7. At this point, he painted himself into a corner and he now wants to do things at his discretion.

Once again, most athletes don’t take it upon themselves get involved social issues. Most consider the fear of financial loss and public scrutiny. I don’t hate on athletes that don’t chose to get involved. But when on does, as long the employ peaceful measures, there should no reason for hate. My initial inquiry was not about the right or wrong of Kap’s protest, simply why a poster would hate him enough to wish bad things to happen to him.

 

[gruntking]

Your post is full of lies, inaccuracies and Cuban-American propaganda. The US supported Batista BEFORE Castro (basically, the US bet on the wrong horse).

Back in power, and receiving financial, military, and logistical support from the United States government,[7][8] Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[9] Eventually it reached the point where most of the sugar industry was in U.S. hands, and foreigners owned 70% of the arable land.[10] As such, Batista's repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with both the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large U.S.-based multinational companies who were awarded lucrative contracts.[9][11] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions. These murders mounted in 1957, as Fidel Castro gained more publicity and influence. Many people were killed, with estimates ranging from hundreds to about 20,000 people killed.[12][13][14][15][16][17][18]

Among the opponents of Batista, many wanted to accommodate the United States. However, Castro belonged to a faction which opposed U.S. influence. Castro did not forgive the U.S. supply of arms to Batista during the revolution. On 5 June 1958, at the height of the revolution, he had written: "The Americans are going to pay dearly for what they are doing. When the war is over, I'll start a much longer and bigger war of my own: the war I’m going to fight against them. That will be my true destiny".[132] (The United States had stopped supplies to Batista in March 1958, but left its Military Advisory Group in Cuba).[133]

So, before YOU turn this thread political, you might want to read a bit of history.

Tetra... so my post is full of lies. Really? My post is simple and I didn't go searching for cut and paste information from who knows who.
Look son I'm not going to give you the pleasure of me engaging your obvious anti American, pro Castro diatribe because it's ultimately fruitless.
One thing I can assure you is that you have a reputation of negging anything you don't agree with, and you can't bring to the table anything other than misguided beliefs and left, anti American racist diatribes.
I can assure you that you are missing the whole picture about the history of Cuba, and more so the history of Cuba under your friend Fidel Castro.
Go ahead and cut and paste to your hearts content... it's worthless Che.

 

[gruntking]

Sorry but what other brutality are you talking about?

Crimes... murders, general brutality that kills and maims.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

The premise of what he's claiming to support might be good, but he is not a good representative. Just a few of the Kap issues.

1. His moves are well timed. His career was on the way out and he made a move to gain national attention. Everytime he starts to fade from the spotlight, he makes an effort to get his name out there for a bit again. At no point does he ever actually feel genuine.

2. He never approached the situation intending to solve the problem, or at the very least, his attempts are childish and juvenile. Remember when this first started, and he wore socks of pigs in police uniforms? Noone is going to work with you when you approach it that way. He never made real attempts to fix issues, he just tries to stir up media outrage.

3. He made this about color. It never should have been about color. Do racist cops exist? Sure, but you've alienated all the good cops in the process and have people making it out that all cops are racist. Your message became less about police brutality and more about white vs black.

4. Do not generalize the topic to "cops are bad". Are there police who take it too far? Yes, but now you've got a target on all the good cops out there. Let's see most of you guys make life or death decisions in a half second when it's your life on the line. What needs to occur from the police stand point is things like body cams and better training and evaluation of guys who are just not suited for the job.

5. Use "YOUR" platform. The NFL is not your platform, it is your employer's platform. The NFL put you in a position, using your talents, to have a platform of your own. Call a press conference on your own time. There are tons of celebrities who use their platform to support causes. How many movie stars use every one of their movie premiers to incite violence and anger for their cause. An occasional word or statement to support a cause, maybe, but usually they do that on their own time to say something. I mean seriously, TO was able to get reporters to his house over his dispute with the eagles while he was doing situps, so it's not that hard. THE NFL HAS EVERY RIGHT NOT TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE BUSINESS!!! At the end of the day, just like any business, the NFL is going to support their bottom line.

6. There is fault on both sides. Get the police and communities together to work on relations. Not every incident is the cops fault, but the media may spin it that way, because it's a better news story.

7. Kap, stop acting like you want to get back in the NFL. You are just trying to keep using the NFL platform to maintain your relevance. Your career was already on the decline and now you've been out or years. If it was really about playing, stop asking for starter salary or expecting to just be made as a starter. If it was about playing, the NFL gave you a chance for a workout and you pulled some childish bs to go somewhere at the last minute, and selfishly wasting lots of people's time. What's worse is he looked like garbage during the workout at the high school.

I’m always amazed at the people who want to decide when/where protests should go on, as if whatever someone was protesting was a cause from the sky like manna from heaven.

I don’t regard Kaepernick as a ***** because he sat out the national anthem and DID NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO HIMSELF (one of the biggest lies about his sitting/kneeling protest), I regard him as a ***** for what he didn’t do after. He just wasn’t ready for the media or the moment.

- Kaepernick never “brought attention” to the cause, because the cause was well under way! Eric Garner, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice were being protested by Black Lives Matter in … 2014! Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, and Sandra Bland were being protested by Black Lives Mater in … 2015! Philando Castille was 2016… and the summer of 2016 is when Kaepernick sat out the anthem for the FIRST time.

so to address your points:

1. ****. He still had enough value to go somewhere.
2. Wrong again. He never approached the problem thinking it would get that much attention. It wasn’t until the 3rd preseason game that anyone noticed.
3. The vast majority of people who think Kaepernick made it about color are racist. It had less to do with color and more to do with police brutality in black and brown communities - something Kaepernick said himself as many times as he was interviewed. White v Black was a racist red-herring.
4. he never actually spoke the words “all cops suck” … ever, but socks, etc definitely muddled that message. You get .5 of a point. It wouldn’t have mattered for the media and people who were ****-bent on twisting his message, it he definitely had a hand in it.
5. Homestead Strike, Woolworth lunch counters, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, tank man in Tiananmen Square … sometimes the venue is the venue and the more public the more symbolic.
6. Fault on both sides? Fuuuuuuccccckkkkkk yooooouuuuuu.
7. Kaepernick is not serious about the NFL, imo.

 

[hydro66]

Yes, for your information, I'M a little down due to the covid 19 forum is eliminated. ****, I miss the good ol days.

 

[canecrazy23]

Either way you sound thrilled that rogue cops are shooting unarmed civilians.

Right because saying that a NFL player made the wrong choice and suggesting he should have done it different shows how happy I am that rogue cops are shooting unarmed civilians. GTFOH

 

[canecrazy23]

I am pretty sure Kap didn’t believe he would end police brutality. He was looking to shed light on police brutality and its devastating affects. His decision to kneel was a way to garner national attention to the cause. That is what an affective “social” protest does. He felt that kneeling would be the most effective way to shed light on his cause. The funny thing is, his kneeling flew under the radar for weeks before it became a national discussion.

Shedding light and actually doing something that might change the problems are two completely different things. He was misguided and should still support his belief by protesting in the right context and at the right venue(like at police stations would be a perfect start).

 

[poncho0091]

I addressed some of these in my last post but will briefly address each point.

1. He ran his course with SF but don’t know what he could have accomplished elsewhere. See Tannyhill’s resurgence.
2. I don’t believe he was looking to solve the problem but bring it light to it to start the process. That is what protest are
3. It is about color because people of color were being beaten and killed. Google photo comparisons of mass gunman being taken into custody and people of color being brought in for far lesser offenses and you will see a difference.
4. No one is saying all cops are bad. There are a lot of bad cops who abuse their authority.
5. A platform is what you chose to use. He choose the NFL because of the eye balls. He got what he wanted.
6. I agree with this but it can only happen when the general public acknowledges that there is a police brutality is a problem.
7. At this point, he painted himself into a corner and he now wants to do things at his discretion.

Once again, most athletes don’t take it upon themselves get involved social issues. Most consider the fear of financial loss and public scrutiny. I don’t hate on athletes that don’t chose to get involved. But when on does, as long the employ peaceful measures, there should no reason for hate. My initial inquiry was not about the right or wrong of Kap’s protest, simply why a poster would hate him enough to wish bad things to happen to him.

First and foremost, I appreciate the thought out, civil, and reasonable response regardless of where anyone stands on this.

1. Correct, his time in SF was up and there is potential resurgence elsewhere. From most of what we've heard though is he expected he was just going to up and out to another team for a starters salary and/or was not willing to be a backup.

2. I feel the reason to protest is to solve a problem, especially if you're going to be the face of the protest. That's some cowardice and laziness to protest and then leave problem solving to someone else. You gotta finish it if you're gonna start it. If you're not trying to solve the problem, then you're doing anything for it.

3. If it is about color, then his stance needs to be there are too many racist cops and they use excessive force, but the message focus was on police brutality and became more about color than that. You can't train racism out or just detect it with a performance test or evaluation. Offer a solution to how you expect the racist cops to be outed. If people want to combat racism in the police force, then join and do something from within. A protest isn't going to fix it, it's just going make them learn to hide it better. If it's not about money, maybe he can become a policeman and set the bar on how it should be done.

4. There absolutely are abusers, but when he paints it in a generalized spectrum, there are many who support him and run with it as all cops. He never or rarely stops to adjust his wording to point out there are good and bad cops. It's just cops, and they are pigs on his socks (if you can't tell, I stopped taking him seriously once he pulled this). No cops are working on fixing this issue, because they've already tuned him out. He needs to get the cops who believe in his cause to start fixing the issues from within, not get them to tune him out as well.

5. A platform is what you choose, but the wrong platform comes with repercussions. He chose the largest platform he could find (the NFL's), and the NFL said you need to distance the NFL business from this fight and not use our platform. He refused, therefore, the NFL should not take any backlash for not wanting him as a representative of their league. If I did this on my companies platform, I would no longer have a job. Why should he be different?

6. I agree, but this goes back to my original statement. If he made this about police brutality and not about color, he would get tons of support. If he made sure to appropriately point out that there are bad apples out there (bring it to the level of the bad individuals, not the entire organization), he would get support from more police.

7. Agreed

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Right because saying that a NFL player made the wrong choice and suggesting he should have done it different

Excuses...just admit that you don't give AF about cops shooting unarmed, innocent civilians.

 

[canecrazy23]

The premise of what he's claiming to support might be good, but he is not a good representative. Just a few of the Kap issues.



2. He never approached the situation intending to solve the problem, or at the very least, his attempts are childish and juvenile. Remember when this first started, and he wore socks of pigs in police uniforms? Noone is going to work with you when you approach it that way. He never made real attempts to fix issues, he just tries to stir up media outrage.

Thank you. Lock the thread!

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Tetra... so my post is full of lies. Really? My post is simple and I didn't go searching for cut and paste information from who knows who.
Look son I'm not going to give you the pleasure of me engaging your obvious anti American, pro Castro diatribe because it's ultimately fruitless.
One thing I can assure you is that you have a reputation of negging anything you don't agree with, and you can't bring to the table anything other than misguided beliefs and left, anti American racist diatribes.
I can assure you that you are missing the whole picture about the history of Cuba, and more so the history of Cuba under your friend Fidel Castro.
Go ahead and cut and paste to your hearts content... it's worthless Che.

You suffer from projection. And you’re projecting that racist narrative that you (and your recently banned racist buddy) were caught conspiring before Andrew closed the bug in the software that allowed me to read your private messages - which I posted to the board years ago.

- People of reasonable intelligence can read that I never propped up Castro, what they’ll read is that Batista was also many of the things that Castro was. That’s not a defense, that’s the truth (It’s only “pro-Castro” to the close-minded part of a community that barely sees themselves as American - after 60 years!)
- The only thing left as you flail … is to throw out labels like “left”, “racist”, “Anti-American” … and then beg to the lowest common denominator of the CIS jury who also are incapable of making arguments.

I proved you a racist with your own PM’s, good luck trying to stick that back on me.

one more thing: yes, your post was full of lies.

 

[canecrazy23]

I addressed some of these in my last post but will briefly address each point.

1. He ran his course with SF but don’t know what he could have accomplished elsewhere. See Tannyhill’s resurgence.
2. I don’t believe he was looking to solve the problem but bring it light to it to start the process. That is what protest are
3. It is about color because people of color were being beaten and killed. Google photo comparisons of mass gunman being taken into custody and people of color being brought in for far lesser offenses and you will see a difference.
4. No one is saying all cops are bad. There are a lot of bad cops who abuse their authority.
5. A platform is what you chose to use. He choose the NFL because of the eye balls. He got what he wanted.
6. I agree with this but it can only happen when the general public acknowledges that there is a police brutality is a problem.
7. At this point, he painted himself into a corner and he now wants to do things at his discretion.

Once again, most athletes don’t take it upon themselves get involved social issues. Most consider the fear of financial loss and public scrutiny. I don’t hate on athletes that don’t chose to get involved. But when on does, as long the employ peaceful measures, there should no reason for hate. My initial inquiry was not about the right or wrong of Kap’s protest, simply why a poster would hate him enough to wish bad things to happen to him.

What process. Nothing has changed except the fact that people think he's a clown now. He could have done this differently and it might have made an incredible impact. Instead everyone just looks back at it like a joke.

 

[canecrazy23]

Excuses...just admit that you don't give AF about cops shooting unarmed, innocent civilians.

Dude you have some serious mental issues. You don't have a clue who I am. Please let the adults talk.

 

[Ice79]

Kills me when people say protest the right way, smfh. In other words "protest where I can't hear or see it so it doesn't bother me" is what they mean to say.

 

[canecrazy23]

Kills me when people say protest the right way, smfh. In other words "protest where I can't hear or see it so it doesn't bother me" is what they mean to say.

Or you could protest at the root of the problem(police stations) instead of a venue for sports and during the time we honor our country and the soldiers who protect us by standing for our flag.