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NFL OT - Carolina Panthers trade for the #1 overall pick

407cane said:
honest question, why is it such a silly trade?

it's really

1 first round pick, 2 2nd's and dj moore for a franchise qb on a rookie deal

we had 2 second round picks anyways and dj moore albeit a loss, was very expensive and clears a ton of cap room

why is there such a narrative that they gave up a ton? people say 2 first round picks sure, but one of those was a swap so only 1 first rounder from '24 in addition + 2nd rounders this year (we had an extra one) and next year and a WR who is talented but proven to be useless without a proper qb (not to mention clears over 10 mil in cap space)


i think richardson is even worse than zach wilson, hopefully his combine results doesn't make fitterer go blind because i'd be ****ed if they choose him over stroud
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I think the 2nd 2nd round pick is in 2025 which makes it even more palatable.
 
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OldhamA said:
I'd take Richardson.

Go with the highest upside player and trust your 'QB whisperer' HC to do his job.

I don't think Young will ever be able to last an NFL season and I have serious questions about whether he can see the middle of the field and Stroud doesn't have a high ceiling.

You've already rolled the dice with this silly trade - double down.
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I don’t disagree with you, but if I’m Carolina you wouldn’t have needed to give up that much of a haul to get Richardson.

And trading your best WR & then drafting a QB who will need at least 2 seasons of development before he’s really ready wouldn’t be a smart move.

I would imagine Reich wants more of a Pocket passer due to his history with Peyton Manning & Philip Rivers.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Has Lamar Jackson ****ed every wife of every team owner?

It is wild that no one has just taken him off of the Ravens hands at this point. Bryce Young or CJ Stroud just went for the iron price. Neither one of those guys are winning MVP anytime soon. No disrespect, they are nice prospects. I'm just saying there are levels to this. Lamar Jackson makes you a contender for all but maybe the most dilapidated of programs, IMO. I get the criticisms, but its a bad look after looking at the stupid money that was given to Deshaun Watson and Kyler Murray, and now this price for the #1 pick...many teams can solve a lot of their problems with Lamar. Hefty investment, sure. But saves you a lot of time getting to the point.
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The Ravens have already indicated that they’re going to match just about any offer made for Lamar, so what they’re really doing is just waiting for another team to essentially drive the price down.

Teams aren’t going to negotiate for the Ravens, so they’re holding back on offers because they know they really won’t be able to sign him. It’s their way of saying to Lamar, “See... We gave you the best offer, the market has spoken”.

The real issue is teams are trying to get rid of fully guaranteed contracts for QB’s because the Browns completely fcked up when they gave Watson all that money. As we’ve seen with the QB market for this offseason the deals given to Derek Carr, Daniel Jones & Geno Smith are more in line with how they think QB’s should be getting paid.

It’s all just a matter of not setting a bad precedent with the same type of contracts from last year.
 
Memnon said:
The Ravens have already indicated that they’re going to match just about any offer made for Lamar, so what they’re really doing is just waiting for another team to essentially drive the price down.

Teams aren’t going to negotiate for the Ravens, so they’re holding back on offers because they know they really won’t be able to sign him. It’s their way of saying to Lamar, “See... We gave you the best offer, the market has spoken”.

The real issue is teams are trying to get rid of fully guaranteed contracts for QB’s because the Browns completely fcked up when they gave Watson all that money. As we’ve seen with the QB market for this offseason the deals given to Derek Carr, Daniel Jones & Geno Smith are more in line with how they think QB’s should be getting paid.

It’s all just a matter of not setting a bad precedent with the same type of contracts from last year.
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Is this legit news or conjecture?

The Watson deal is less of an issue, IMO, for this deal. Everyone knows its terrible.

The Kyler deal though...I'd have an issue if I'm not getting that deal.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Is this legit news or conjecture?

The Watson deal is less of an issue, IMO, for this deal. Everyone knows its terrible.

The Kyler deal though...I'd have an issue if I'm not getting that deal.
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Both those deals from last year is why teams are driving the market down now.

They would rather for team friendly deals like what Mahomes did than being forced to allocate over 40% of their Cap to the QB, even if it’s Franchise guys like Burrow, Herbert etc..
 
Memnon said:


Both those deals from last year is why teams are driving the market down now.

They would rather for team friendly deals like what Mahomes did than being forced to allocate over 40% of their Cap to the QB, even if it’s Franchise guys like Burrow, Herbert etc..
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I also think whatever Lamar gets this year, will look like a normal deal once this next batch of guys get their deals - Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, Hurts.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
I also think whatever Lamar gets this year, will look like a normal deal once this next batch of guys get their deals - Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, Hurts.
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I’d be surprised if he actually gets a deal this year, I think he’ll play on the Tag & then hit Free Agency next season.

Burrow is gonna get the next Aaron Rodgers style deal, Herbert will probably be overpaid but the Chargers believe in stability at QB so it’ll be worth it to them...

I feel sorry for Jalen Hurts lol
 
Memnon said:
Insanely overrated by scouts IMO.

The biggest appeal to his game is the fact he played in the McVay/Shanahan Offense in college & therefore is ahead of the learning curve in terms of verbiage & understanding play calls in that systems, but as far as ability & upside I think he’s quite a ways away.
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People see the cannon and running and think Josh Allen. I don’t see it but they’re doing the same with Richardson. I have no problem taking those 2 guys mid late round 1, not in the top 10.

Stroud is who I’m thinking they’re going after, I get it, maybe over paid but that’s what you have to do to get into the first pick.
 
Canesfan1899 said:
People see the cannon and running and think Josh Allen. I don’t see it but they’re doing the same with Richardson. I have no problem taking those 2 guys mid late round 1, not in the top 10.

Stroud is who I’m thinking they’re going after, I get it, maybe over paid but that’s what you have to do to get into the first pick.
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The difference to me is Richardson’s athletic upside; Levis is a solid runner as well, but he’s more of a traditional under center style QB & IMO has a lower ceiling. He’s basically like Daniel Jones, can possibly develop into a good game manager who if he just doesn’t turn the ball over won’t kill you.

I think everything with Richardson is all about where he goes & who he’s paired with from a Coaching standpoint.
 
Cribby said:
First off his money isn’t close to what LJ wants and it’s front loaded. Secondly what does a bad contract with Jones / Giants have to do with LJ and the Ravens?One is bad business the other could paralyze a franchise. Tbh the only guys I’d pay anywhere close to what LJ wants would go on one hand. Actually I’d still have 1-2 fingers left. Your argument is kinda confusing since I wouldn’t have paid either , just like I wouldn’t have paid Watson all that guaranteed.

Just because one team is desperate and horribly ran doesn’t mean another team should give the same deal or close.
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Just because it is what he wants doesn't mean that's what it would take to get him. He is set to make $32M this yr on the franchise tag. Daniel Jones is getting paid $41M/yr for 2 years... at least. If that is what Daniel Jones was worth, Lamar Jackson is CLEARLY worth up to $50M/yr. So given he's gunna make $32M this year, you can say this yr plus 3yrs of $50M = $182M/4yrs. Even Doing that and sacrificing two 1sts to trade for him would be far better imo than paying Daniel Jones that much.

Anyways, my point is People keep acting like this is so much for QBs, but the reality is the bar is now at $40M for average starters not on rookie deals, and only going to increase. $40m for Qbs is the new $25M for Qbs. Lamar Jackson asking for a fully guaranteed deal isn't all that crazy either. Kirk Cousins and Deshaun Watson both got them. Contract Length is the only thing really questionable about what Lamar is asking.
 
Memnon said:
Insanely overrated by scouts IMO.

The biggest appeal to his game is the fact he played in the McVay/Shanahan Offense in college & therefore is ahead of the learning curve in terms of verbiage & understanding play calls in that systems, but as far as ability & upside I think he’s quite a ways away.
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QBs are about to go 1-2-3-4.

Imo it'll be Young - Stroud - Richardson - Levis.
Then Seahawks and Lions get Jalen Carter and Will Anderson.
 
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Memnon said:


Both those deals from last year is why teams are driving the market down now.

They would rather for team friendly deals like what Mahomes did than being forced to allocate over 40% of their Cap to the QB, even if it’s Franchise guys like Burrow, Herbert etc..
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You were probably being sarcastic but 40% of the cap is $90M. Top Qbs signing new contracts are in line to make in the $50M/yr+ range which is is bout 22% of Cap. A team-friendly deal now-a-days for an elite QB like Burrow would be him ONLY getting 18%-20% of the cap. (Mahomes is at 21% this year).

The #1 pick in the draft will make 3% of the Cap year 1, and if they take the 5th year option on a Qb who has made just 1 pro bowl, they will earn about 13% of the cap. So Clearly for a non-rookie QB, the absolute minimum for any long-term starter is at that 13% of cap number (this year that'd be $30M). That would be for even a below-average multi-year starter. People are living in the past if they think $30M is a lot for a starting QB in the NFL. $40M is what you pay an average young starter like Daniel Jones now lol.
 
calinative umstudent said:
QBs are about to go 1-2-3-4.

Imo it'll be Young - Stroud - Richardson - Levis.
Then Seahawks and Lions get Jalen Carter and Will Anderson.
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If we get Will Anderson imma lose my ****. Back to back years getting the top edge rusher ooowweeeee. I think Carter slides a little in draft.
 
Memnon said:
I’d be surprised if he actually gets a deal this year, I think he’ll play on the Tag & then hit Free Agency next season.

Burrow is gonna get the next Aaron Rodgers style deal, Herbert will probably be overpaid but the Chargers believe in stability at QB so it’ll be worth it to them...

I feel sorry for Jalen Hurts lol
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Ravens will be able to tag him again next year so I don't think he'll test free agency until 2025.
 
cway313 said:
If we get Will Anderson imma lose my ****. Back to back years getting the top player and an edge ooowweeeee. I think Carter slides a little in draft.
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You a Lions fan? Lions need Jalen Carter far more than Will Anderson imo. I think ideally they get Carter, then one of Witherspoon, Gonzalez, or Porter fall to 18. If that happens and the Rams trade ended up being Stafford for Goff, Jameson Williams, and Jalen Carter, that would be an elite return. Obviously at the end of the day the Rams won the trade because they ended up winning a SB, even if now Stafford is falling apart due to injury. But Lions also absolutely won the trade too.
 
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