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Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 Sole Man. In the documentary Somny Vacarro mentioned I think it was someone like Bobby Cremons asked about some kid at a camp (forgot the player) and the individual said do you know Sonny and he said WHO. The individual told him don’t even waste your time going after that kid if you don’t know Sonny and it’s the kids Junior year.

I remember John Wall supposedly got all the money he received passed through his local church.

All I’m saying is everyone that doesn’t believe stories like this are foolish and people who think we lose everyone to bags is foolish. I think it’s more in the middle of both for the truth. EVERYONE does this, except some have a lot more resources.

We all know bags exist. Just 450k for this guy is very unreasonable. Also, the fact that he waited right up until he opened his new company and wanted more clicks makes it even less belieavble.
 
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Another reason I believe the $450,000 is GT made the tourney 9 years in a row 85-93, then didn’t make it 94 and 95. Went in 96 but missed out in 97. $450,000 could have been a desperation number for a typically successful program taking a nose dive. Just another observation
 
Guys like you and me are talking about him when we never otherwise would, and his name is out there again. Maybe he misses the limelight. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially if you think Georgia Tech was ponying up that type of cash for their ****** basketball program.
Gtech had a better program back then.
 
Gtech had a better program back then.
They were far from a top notch program even then. During 1998 they were in the midst of a 7 year run where they only made the NCAA tournament once. So they whiffed on Harrington. You're going to tell me they wouldn't give that $450k to a couple other star players (and we know now that a top 15 player gets $100k, so back then $450k would easily get 3 such players by this logic)? They would have been a dominant team.
 
They were far from a top notch program even then. During 1998 they were in the midst of a 7 year run where they only made the NCAA tournament once. So they whiffed on Harrington. You're going to tell me they wouldn't give that $450k to a couple other star players (and we know now that a top 15 player gets $100k, so back then $450k would easily get 3 such players by this logic)? They would have been a dominant team.
That's not far away from what @MiamiChris said also. They got desperate.
 
Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 Sole Man. In the documentary Somny Vacarro mentioned I think it was someone like Bobby Cremons asked about some kid at a camp (forgot the player) and the individual said do you know Sonny and he said WHO. The individual told him don’t even waste your time going after that kid if you don’t know Sonny and it’s the kids Junior year.

I remember John Wall supposedly got all the money he received passed through his local church.

All I’m saying is everyone that doesn’t believe stories like this are foolish and people who think we lose everyone to bags is foolish. I think it’s more in the middle of both for the truth. EVERYONE does this, except some have a lot more resources.

No surprise. It runs in the family. Jimmy Vaccaro was the biggest crook in Las Vegas during the decades I was there. He was running the Mirage sportsbook and intentionally putting up bad numbers so a handful of guys could bet into them. As soon as the designated bettors took care of the juicy numbers then the prop would either disappear completely, or be adjusted to a standard number. Then those chosen guys would funnel a chunk of the profit back into Vaccaro's pocket.

None of this was theory or cynicism. I saw it first hand for years and years in the '90s. One of the designated guys won so much on an NFL Sunday he got Caesar's Palace to open up an otherwise closed restaurant late that evening. They went along with it only because they knew he would leave a massive tip. That's how much money we are talking about. There were only 6 of us eating in the huge restaurant. The guy is also named Jimmy but I won't use his last name because he was good guy and doesn't need any negative association.

During that meal Jimmy got so drunk I asked him how much money he had to funnel to Jimmy Vaccaro. I knew this was the perfect time to inquire. He turned to me and said over the past 6 months he had kicked back a half million to Vaccaro.

And this is only one guy among many, and over 6 months in a scheme that went on for nearly a decade.

When Jimmy Vaccaro finally got forced out at the Mirage, the sportsbook manager of the sister casino Treasure Island refused to sign the going away card that all the employees were signing. He said, "Are you kidding? Why should I sign a card for a guy who stole at least $8 million from Steve Wynn?"

I knew that estimate was way too low, based on what the other Jimmy had said to me at Caesar's Palace a few years earlier.

Sonny Vaccaro is Jimmy Vaccaro's brother

And I'm convinced basketball is a more valid target for payoffs than football, given what I heard about the Dwayne Polee/USC/UNLV situation in the early '80s, and the basic fact that so few players are needed to dramatically change fortunes in basketball.
 
If this story is true you will know soon enough.Irs,fbi and other federal government agencies will ask a lot of questions and this player will wish he keeped his mouth shut.
 
If he came out and said 200k, or something like that, I might believe him way more because it's within the scope of reason.

But 450k? When I saw that figure my eyebrows raised, then my eyes narrowed.

Shaquille O'Neal was saying he was paid very well at LSU. The amount that he was paid is undisclosed.

Charles Barkley said the most money he took at once was 20k from an agent.

450k is a little hard to believe.
 
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Guys like you and me are talking about him when we never otherwise would, and his name is out there again. Maybe he misses the limelight. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially if you think Georgia Tech was ponying up that type of cash for their ****** basketball program.

They was...
 
I fully believe guys get paid all the time. I just don't believe $450k was offered on top of a job for his mom back in 1998. Not from a ****** basketball team in the middle of a 7 year stretch where they only made the tourney one time.

Why didn't they pay for other players during that span? Usually the schools that pay players (Kansas was mentioned) have a systemic habit of doing so. It's also why they don't experience a 7 year stretch of bad basketball like GT did.

I think you answered your own question. What incentive does he have to lie about this? And who's to say that GT at the time didn't pay for other players?
 
I think you answered your own question. What incentive does he have to lie about this? And who's to say that GT at the time didn't pay for other players?
Like a couple posters mentioned, he just started a company and perhaps he just wants attention. In 1998, GT only signed one player in the high school top 100 rankings, Tony Akins (#56 overall). It simply does not make sense that they were ready to pony up $450k on Harrington and then settled for just the 56th ranked recruit.

It'd be like some guy saying he was ready to cop a Lamborghini back in 1998, but they were all out so he settled for a Hyundai. Not a couple of BMWs and Mercedes, a Hyundai.
 
If he came out and said 200k, or something like that, I might believe him way more because it's within the scope of reason.

But 450k? When I saw that figure my eyebrows raised, then my eyes narrowed.

Shaquille O'Neal was saying he was paid very well at LSU. The amount that he was paid is undisclosed.

Charles Barkley said the most money he took at once was 20k from an agent.

450k is a little hard to believe.

Charles Barkley wasn’t noticed by Auburn till his senior year at an end of year tournmanet while Auburn was recruiting another player. He wasn’t highly recruited and was a late bloomer. Auburn didn’t need to pay him, obviously the $20,000 probably happened in college once he was highly recognized
 
Guys like you and me are talking about him when we never otherwise would, and his name is out there again. Maybe he misses the limelight. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially if you think Georgia Tech was ponying up that type of cash for their ****** basketball program.
Why would a NYC point guard legend stephon marbury choose Georgia Tech of all places? It's not far fetched at all imo.
 
Most of them are worth the cash and bennies. The disgrace is that they can't capitalize on the full market value of their skills, abilities and talents.

Time to end the sham.
 
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Why would a NYC point guard legend stephon marbury choose Georgia Tech of all places? It's not far fetched at all imo.
No one is disputing GT was actively dropping bags. We are just skeptical of the size of the bag back in '98.
 
Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 Sole Man. In the documentary Somny Vacarro mentioned I think it was someone like Bobby Cremons asked about some kid at a camp (forgot the player) and the individual said do you know Sonny and he said WHO. The individual told him don’t even waste your time going after that kid if you don’t know Sonny and it’s the kids Junior year.

I remember John Wall supposedly got all the money he received passed through his local church.

All I’m saying is everyone that doesn’t believe stories like this are foolish and people who think we lose everyone to bags is foolish. I think it’s more in the middle of both for the truth. EVERYONE does this, except some have a lot more resources.

Funny, random John Wall story... He came to a party on UKs campus wearing a cowboy hat and some black Ray Ban sunglasses, walks two steps into the door, throws up both of his hands (tequila bottle in his right) and shouts "which one of u btches want to suck my dck?" Like 90% of the girls at the party left whoever they were talking to and ran to him. Dude was a God at UK.
 
Funny, random John Wall story... He came to a party on UKs campus wearing a cowboy hat and some black Ray Ban sunglasses, walks two steps into the door, throws up both of his hands (tequila bottle in his right) and shouts "which one of u btches want to suck my dck?" Like 90% of the girls at the party left whoever they were talking to and ran to him. Dude was a God at UK.

You talk a lot about sucking dcks. I mean a LOT.
 
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