Orange Bowl Thoughts

[nystateofmind]

- Diaz is not what we thought he was. He’s not a corch but he’s not a defensive mastermind either. His lack of adjustments is extremely frustrating and he’s far too aggressive at times. We need to have elite talent across the board for his system to work, he’s not gonna coach up scrubs.

- DeeJay Dallas is a game changer and needs to be a focal point of the offense next year. Homer is nice and Lingard will get touches but DeeJay needs to be the main back.

- Rosier. Ugh. Enough said. Hopefully he transfers.

- The lack of holding calls was a complete disgrace. I’m not one to blame the refs as things usually even out in the long run, but it was awful. The only break we caught was Richt not getting ejected when he should have been.

- I loved seeing Richt getting fired up. Never expected to see him like that. It’s encouraging. He obviously wants to win here very badly.

- And to do so he needs to hire an offensive coordinator. Yes, having an awful QB greatly limits what you can do, but his entire approach is outdated. At it’s core, his system is predicated on 90’s concepts in terms of blocking schemes and passing routes. There is some modern stuff sprinkled in but at its core it’s an archaic system. This will never happen because Richt loves calling the shots, but if he went out and hired Matt Canada tomorrow we’d be in much better shape than we are today.

- Badgley. Yuck. Guy misses as many big kicks as he makes. Won’t be missed.

- The offense line is an abomination. I truly do not understand it. We haven’t had a good OL in 15 years. When we had a good coach, Stoutland, we didn’t have the talent. When we had the talent, we had a **** coach in Kehoe. I don’t know what the issue is now. There’s four star talent across the board and a coach with a seemingly good track record, yet the line sucks. Maybe it’s a strength and conditioning thing, I don’t know. Regardless, I don’t see it getting any better next year.

- Jeff Thomas is legit. He, Richards and Pope next year should form one of the best WR trios in the country. Figure out which one plays in the slot later.


Overall, it was a disappointing end to an exciting year. I always said we were two years away from being a serious playoff contender. So by that barometer, we overachieved. Additionally, the incoming class is as good skill position wise as we’ve ever had and hopefully we can find some studs in the trenches in the final month. But I still have significant concerns about Richt’s playcalling and newfound concerns about Diaz. I don’t know if we’ll ever win at the highest level consistently unless these two make some tweaks.

 

[Captain Uberpants]

A competent QB who can hit WRs in stride (and not miss open ones) is going to make Richt look a lot better. He wont ever be Lincoln Riley or Art Briles, but as a whole, Rosier missed a ton of big plays throughout the year. He's made some clutch throws but we should have never been in those situations to begin with and that's his fault. The OL has been soft for a decade and I think next year we will see improvement which will also make Richt look better as a play caller.

It will be interesting to see how Richt handles the QB position going forward.

 

[Bounty]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

 

[nystateofmind]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

 

[Bounty]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

The employed route tree and motion/misdirection/multiple formation/RPO offensive concepts are predicated on having a decent, more-than-one-read, accurate, and consistent QB. Have you ever watched FSU games with Charlie Ward? Georgia games with Green, Shockley, Stafford, or Murray? They had all the elements of a modern, pro-style offense. They also had above-average guys under center.

The creation of a simple, no-motion, single-read, half-field offense was the attempt to "make things easier on the playmakers"...

 

[nystateofmind]

A competent QB who can hit WRs in stride (and not miss open ones) is going to make Richt look a lot better. He wont ever be Lincoln Riley or Art Briles, but as a whole, Rosier missed a ton of big plays throughout the year. He's made some clutch throws but we should have never been in those situations to begin with and that's his fault. The OL has been soft for a decade and I think next year we will see improvement which will also make Richt look better as a play caller.

It will be interesting to see how Richt handles the QB position going forward.

I don’t see how we lose talent and the line improves.

McDermott was above average at LT. We better pray St Louis can step in. Darling really struggled but if we didn’t have someone better to replace him that tells you all you need to know.

Scaife should be a Day 1 guy. St Louis-Gaynor-Gauthier-Scaife-Donaldson? That’s probably the best we’ll be able to do. Is that better than what we had?

 

[ShadowSpring]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

The employed route tree and motion/misdirection/multiple formation/RPO offensive concepts are predicted on having a decent, more-than-one-read, accurate, and consistent QB. Have you ever watched FSU games with Charlie Ward? Georgia games with Green, Shockley, Stafford, or Murray? They had all the elements of a modern, pro-style offense. They also had above-average guys under center.

The creation of a simple, no-motion, single-read, half-field offense was the attempt to "make things easier on the playmakers"...

This goes way over most these dudes heads.

The offense isn't great so they look for whatever cliche they can think of and blame the play calling.

Richt was the OC for 2 Heisman winning QBs. No other OC out there has that resume.

 

[Chrisarg72]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

The employed route tree and motion/misdirection/multiple formation/RPO offensive concepts are predicted on having a decent, more-than-one-read, accurate, and consistent QB. Have you ever watched FSU games with Charlie Ward? Georgia games with Green, Shockley, Stafford, or Murray? They had all the elements of a modern, pro-style offense. They also had above-average guys under center.

The creation of a simple, no-motion, single-read, half-field offense was the attempt to "make things easier on the playmakers"...

Right, if the QB is not good you have to simplify the playbook. All those modern complex concepts go out the window if you can't execute them. You have to stick to your simple plays that condense the field and allow your skill players to make plays. However, better defenses can snuff this out as it is too simplistic, but there's not alternative. If you open it up, it's picks galore. That's why it worked against similarly talented teams (VT, FSU, and ND) and less talented teams (everyone else) but struggled against Clemson and Wisconsin.

 

[Gapere]

I like your choice of font

 

[nystateofmind]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

The employed route tree and motion/misdirection/multiple formation/RPO offensive concepts are predicted on having a decent, more-than-one-read, accurate, and consistent QB. Have you ever watched FSU games with Charlie Ward? Georgia games with Green, Shockley, Stafford, or Murray? They had all the elements of a modern, pro-style offense. They also had above-average guys under center.

The creation of a simple, no-motion, single-read, half-field offense was the attempt to "make things easier on the playmakers"...

This goes way over most these dudes heads.

The offense isn't great so they look for whatever cliche they can think of and blame the play calling.

Richt was the OC for 2 Heisman winning QBs. No other OC out there has that resume.

That happened 20 years ago.

 

[Bounty]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

The employed route tree and motion/misdirection/multiple formation/RPO offensive concepts are predicted on having a decent, more-than-one-read, accurate, and consistent QB. Have you ever watched FSU games with Charlie Ward? Georgia games with Green, Shockley, Stafford, or Murray? They had all the elements of a modern, pro-style offense. They also had above-average guys under center.

The creation of a simple, no-motion, single-read, half-field offense was the attempt to "make things easier on the playmakers"...

This goes way over most these dudes heads.

The offense isn't great so they look for whatever cliche they can think of and blame the play calling.

Richt was the OC for 2 Heisman winning QBs. No other OC out there has that resume.

That happened 20 years ago.

Sort of true. Aaron Murray played 3 years ago. But for argument's sake, let's take an example from 20 minutes ago...

Bama...with the same no-motion, base route tree, RPO-based, pro style offense (albeit with above-average QB and OL play)...just manhandled the #1 team in the country and the ones who slapped a d!ck across our faces to the tune of 38-3. You can't win the race if you don't have the horses to compete. Bama's defense ate up Kelly all night. Our supposed "all NFL" front four got erased from the telecast against that same Clemson team. You can win on any level with a well-run and well-executed RPO-based offense. Ask the New England Patriots. Or the Tide. The key is the well-executed part. When you have guys running wide open down the field and miss them should we change to a scheme that has them more wide open?

I agree with a lot of what else you posted in your opening but this magical OC that is supposed to come in here and make Rosier make throws he misses or McDermott, Darling, et al make blocks they currently can't isn't realistic.

 

[OldhamA]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

It's amazing isn't it?

What I also don't understand is why a coach needs to run a motion option offence to not be considered 'archaic'. If it worked in the 90s (to a terrifying level) it'll almost certainly work now if you get the right players in. You don't have to reinvent the wheel to be successful.

 

[OldhamA]

A competent QB who can hit WRs in stride (and not miss open ones) is going to make Richt look a lot better. He wont ever be Lincoln Riley or Art Briles, but as a whole, Rosier missed a ton of big plays throughout the year. He's made some clutch throws but we should have never been in those situations to begin with and that's his fault. The OL has been soft for a decade and I think next year we will see improvement which will also make Richt look better as a play caller.

It will be interesting to see how Richt handles the QB position going forward.

I don’t see how we lose talent and the line improves.

McDermott was above average at LT. We better pray St Louis can step in. Darling really struggled but if we didn’t have someone better to replace him that tells you all you need to know.

Scaife should be a Day 1 guy. St Louis-Gaynor-Gauthier-Scaife-Donaldson? That’s probably the best we’ll be able to do. Is that better than what we had?

Darling and McDermott are terrible football players. The fact we didn't have anyone to replace them with in 2017 tells you everything you need to know about Al Golden's recruiting.

Herbert, Hillary and Dykstra will have had a year and a half in a college S&C programme by the time the 2018 season starts. Look for one of those guys to step up, assuming we don't sign a programme changing talent like Petite-Frere. The Oline will be much better next year and only improve from here on out.

 

[nystateofmind]

A competent QB who can hit WRs in stride (and not miss open ones) is going to make Richt look a lot better. He wont ever be Lincoln Riley or Art Briles, but as a whole, Rosier missed a ton of big plays throughout the year. He's made some clutch throws but we should have never been in those situations to begin with and that's his fault. The OL has been soft for a decade and I think next year we will see improvement which will also make Richt look better as a play caller.

It will be interesting to see how Richt handles the QB position going forward.

I don’t see how we lose talent and the line improves.

McDermott was above average at LT. We better pray St Louis can step in. Darling really struggled but if we didn’t have someone better to replace him that tells you all you need to know.

Scaife should be a Day 1 guy. St Louis-Gaynor-Gauthier-Scaife-Donaldson? That’s probably the best we’ll be able to do. Is that better than what we had?

Darling and McDermott are terrible football players. The fact we didn't have anyone to replace them with in 2017 tells you everything you need to know about Al Golden's recruiting.

Herbert, Hillary and Dykstra will have had a year and a half in a college S&C programme by the time the 2018 season starts. Look for one of those guys to step up, assuming we don't sign a programme changing talent like Petite-Frere. The Oline will be much better next year and only improve from here on out.

McDermott is not a terrible player.

C’mon.

 

[ChosenOne]

The nagging of the play calling gets annoying. Alabama and Georgia has the most basis offense and they're in the championship game. We won't see any offensive improvement no matter who calling plays when your OL is soft and gets pushed around by Duke or Syracuse

I keep telling y'all the S&C program ain't good enough to win a champion. Gus was there at UGA when they struggle to manhandle those Florida teams they were x10 more talented then.

You think UCF would be able to physically handle Auburn if their S&C was ***? UCF S&C had been there for 2 years and they physically competed with Auburn more then we did with Clemson. WAIT, wait let me guess Auburn didn't care!!11! You telling me a team who physically dominated Alabama who dominated Clemson couldn't sleepwalk and dominate UCF? please.. UCF's S&C program got UCF punching above their weight which is something we need. We need a S&C program that doesn't need a 4 or 5 star littered roster before you see results.

 

[nystateofmind]

The nagging of the play calling gets annoying. Alabama and Georgia has the most basis offense and they're in the championship game. We won't see any offensive improvement no matter who calling plays when your OL is soft and gets pushed around by Duke or Syracuse

I keep telling y'all the S&C program ain't good enough to win a champion. Gus was there at UGA when they struggle to manhandle those Florida teams they were x10 more talented then.

You think UCF would be able to physically handle Auburn if their S&C was ***? UCF S&C had been there for 2 years and they physically competed with Auburn more then we did with Clemson. WAIT, wait let me guess Auburn didn't care!!11! You telling me a team who physically dominated Alabama who dominated Clemson couldn't sleepwalk and dominate UCF? please.. their S&C program got UCF punching above their weight which is something we need.

Felder needs help.

We need to bring in someone from the outside.

 

[marshallrc13]

Listen I agree with a lot of OP points. I've never been a big Manny Diaz supporter. He doesn't disguise much. He is what he is, an aggressive DC. His schemes put a lot of pressure on DBs to be in position and make plays. In the OB, the DBs were in position but either didn't turn their heads or didn't make the play. They were there and in position. 3 or 4 plays made by the DBs and this is an entirely different game and outcome.

 

[simplycanes]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

The employed route tree and motion/misdirection/multiple formation/RPO offensive concepts are predicated on having a decent, more-than-one-read, accurate, and consistent QB. Have you ever watched FSU games with Charlie Ward? Georgia games with Green, Shockley, Stafford, or Murray? They had all the elements of a modern, pro-style offense. They also had above-average guys under center.

The creation of a simple, no-motion, single-read, half-field offense was the attempt to "make things easier on the playmakers"...

But, but, but the "route trees", "motioning" and the "run fits".... Wait, is that last one defense? Whatever.

 

[matty1]

I'm just curious how anyone can seriously evaluate an offensive scheme as "limited" or "outdated" while simultaneously saying QB and​ OL = trash?

The route tree sucks. There’s no motion. Very little creativity especially in the red zone.

Having a bad QB and line should force you to make things easier on your playmakers, not harder.

The employed route tree and motion/misdirection/multiple formation/RPO offensive concepts are predicted on having a decent, more-than-one-read, accurate, and consistent QB. Have you ever watched FSU games with Charlie Ward? Georgia games with Green, Shockley, Stafford, or Murray? They had all the elements of a modern, pro-style offense. They also had above-average guys under center.

The creation of a simple, no-motion, single-read, half-field offense was the attempt to "make things easier on the playmakers"...

This goes way over most these dudes heads.

The offense isn't great so they look for whatever cliche they can think of and blame the play calling.

Richt was the OC for 2 Heisman winning QBs. No other OC out there has that resume.

So Richt was the OC for 2 Heisman QB's. and just how long ago was that? and it's all about what you can do now, not what you did 15 years ago. The game has passed him by and his son is not the answer

 

[Dghustla]

I actually thought Manny wasn’t aggressive enough. As the year went on we blitz less on 3rd downs and relied on Man2man or zone and our front got no rush, and our corners and LBs broke down. Same thing in the Wisky game. Our 4 man rush especially on 3rd down got no rush what so every. And when we did there was a hold.

The obsession with motion on this board is a personal preference the two teams in the final run motion about as much as we do. And their offense are “old and outdated as well” but their formula is classic. Run the football, play action and play defense. Now with Richt being a QB guy we are going to be more balanced their 60-40 run pass approach but we still need to run the football.


Ppl are obbessed with UCF’s numbers but had they played in a P5 conference as you saw yesterday their numbers would have been more mundane.