Opinion on ND after watching 2 condensed games

[MizCane]

I think Richt will come out first possession with some new wrinkles again. I loved how he did that against VT. I think it definitely messed with their minds when they didn't know what to expect with some pre snap motion, reverse and reverse pass. I believe VT was rattled then bc they were not prepared and we had them on their heels early.

I would love to see some new wrinkles again to make ND think twice about what they are trying to do defensively.

 

[Hurricanemike32]

Their OL doesn’t have to pancake people to be good.... They have likely two 1st round picks on the left side of their OL alone. They like to run to that side behind those two. They’re about as physical OL as you will find.

I agree that they are very very good. I’m not taking anything away from them. It will be a huge challenge this week. But when I think of physical I envision a running attack closer to Bama’s where they want to punish the defensers.

The UGA game was the second game of the season, and their QB's second start. They lost by 1 point to the #1 team in the country, and look at UGA's run totals for their own offense that game - ND played them very well defensively. Every other team, ND has basically mowed down, with exception of Wake last week - and that was 34-10 at one point, without their best offensive player seeing more than 5 snaps.

I'm getting a sense of overconfidence on this board about ND. Can we beat them? Absolutely. But not if we play like we did against UNC (a common opponent who the Irish beat by 3 scores in the rain) or Syracuse. That's for **** sure.

I would certainly think that they will come in with a different mindset in this game than what they had in the UNC or Syracuse games. Also a significantly different environment with it being a night game. I was there on Saturday night and that stadium was electric...the players definitely fed off of that.

 

[Hurricanemike32]

ND is what...9 games into their season and you've cherrypicked 2 of them to render a definitive opinion. That's a pretty suspect approach, and most likely a whole bunch of confirmation bias in your assessment.

As much as I hate to admit it, the Lamers are a solid, well-coached team that will not be handing out the keys to the candy store. Are they beatable? Sure, they have flaws, and you can make a case that we are faster and more athletic. At the same time, we make more mistakes and bigger mistakes that can lead to big plays. In my opinion the game could go either way - and by that it could go big for either team or also could be a nailbiter to the end. Which Notre Dame team shows up? Which Miami team shows up? I think there are many variables none of us are really accounting for.

YOU ARE A TROLL.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Their OL doesn’t have to pancake people to be good.... They have likely two 1st round picks on the left side of their OL alone. They like to run to that side behind those two. They’re about as physical OL as you will find.

I agree that they are very very good. I’m not taking anything away from them. It will be a huge challenge this week. But when I think of physical I envision a running attack closer to Bama’s where they want to punish the defensers.

The UGA game was the second game of the season, and their QB's second start. They lost by 1 point to the #1 team in the country, and look at UGA's run totals for their own offense that game - ND played them very well defensively. Every other team, ND has basically mowed down, with exception of Wake last week - and that was 34-10 at one point, without their best offensive player seeing more than 5 snaps.

I'm getting a sense of overconfidence on this board about ND. Can we beat them? Absolutely. But not if we play like we did against UNC (a common opponent who the Irish beat by 3 scores in the rain) or Syracuse. That's for **** sure.

I would certainly think that they will come in with a different mindset in this game than what they had in the UNC or Syracuse games. Also a significantly different environment with it being a night game. I was there on Saturday night and that stadium was electric...the players definitely fed off of that.

Absolutely. Couldn't have a conversation with the fans around me in my section at certain points because of the crowd noise, and the team definitely fed off it.

 

[Gatorhater]

Based on the drunk girl slapping a cop and taking a punch in the face for it, I'd say our fans are more than ready for a very physical game. Bring it.

 

[Wickedgenes]

I think all the stats and who they or Miami played goes out the window. I'm excited about a night game again and crowd going nuts. But there will be some hitting from the canes to let them know you have to earn it.

ND have been beaten teams and looked good. More pressure for ND to win and make a statement to solidify making the playoffs with one loss. This is there only shot.

Miami has scraped and clawed to close wins. If Miami loses, they still have a shot at CPP by making the ACCG and possibly beating Clemson.

Question: ND had 148 total yards rushing last year against Miami. Winbush replaced Kizer, but what about NDs O-line? Is it the same 5? Is it a different O-scheme?

 

[HighSeas]

Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

Disagree. Malik is at his best when he can get in a rhythm throwing slants, flats and texas routes against repeat zone looks. Press-man schemes expose his pedestrian ball placement and Richt's isolation route concepts.

 

[supacane]

I know one thing, every offense can score a ton of points and put up yards. But when the Defense is in the back field, you can call all the trick plays you want. Slow developing plays don't work. You saw it , VT. It is mad confusing if you play alot of zone, but we mix it up with alot of man. DTs stop running teams. We have the players to do it.

On D they will fear our speed and try to back off. We need to run effectively as we did v VT and force them up close. Then bomb.

I keep saying it but the heat and humidity, they won't be ready for that....at all

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[simplycanes]

Thank you [MENTION=2318]Dghustla[/MENTION] for the write-up, excellent.

Defensively, they had, and ultimately fired, Brian Van Gorder (a former CMR assistant) who had a very aggressive style that failed miserably. What they are doing now is the total opposite, and I agree, it is what Al Golden wanted to do, but also sucked at it. It goes back to having awareness as a coach. Sometimes what you want to run and the players and athletes you get are at odds with one another. Kelly made the change, Golden didn't. It's crazy, we went one way, they went the other and we're both succeeding.

Agree with [MENTION=32]AUcane[/MENTION], their defensive philosophy will let us feast underneath and in the middle of the field, but to get it into the end zone we are going to need to make reads and throws into coverage. CMR has his work cut out for him schematically this week. If he can summon the inner Ol' Ball Coach a little and scheme some easy reads for Malik, that will be huge for our success in getting the ball in the end zone. It is critical that we create opportunities for Rosier to bail and run with the ball, and we will get them a few times, but after the VT game, they will have a better counter punch than we saw from Foster.

Defensively, I will summon [MENTION=5374]HurricaneVision[/MENTION] and just say it once, and then several more times in the hopes it makes a difference somehow, "Do your job." That is the entire key here on defense. ND lives for mistakes on defense, they do the same on offense. Gap discipline, run fits, assignments, bad angles, all that feeds into what they are able to do and when Winbush thrives. I am a big believer in not reinventing yourself for one opponent. Yes, implement differently, but don't change your identity. We need to be aggressive and force them into negative plays, that's how we eat; but, we also need to have situational awareness and know when it is those moments when we just can't get gashed for 10 yards on a scramble.

Good analysis. I also felt that we showed a lot of our cards against VT - stuff we hadn't shown all year. Does it give ND more to gameplan against? Yeah, but it also showed them what we have in our ****nal. Don't know if it favors us or them.

It's a balance. I think any time you give your opponent more to prepare for, the better. It's always nice to have few more bullets left in the ****nal, too. Ideally you want both. But, if we used everything we had against VT, I am OK with that, too. The ND game is hugely important given our position and ranking, but we absolutely had to win the VT game. It was a must, must, must win for so many reasons.

 

[Loose Cannon]

If they are running 2 and 3 high looks and we're not pounding them with Homer, Rosier, and DeeJay, we'll be making a mistake.

Go watch Fuente's post game presser explaining their offense vs. our defense. He said we didn't run anything complex or special. We were in a 1 high look all night, and dared them to pass. We played them man on the outside and they just never could win those match ups. He also said the two scariest things about coaching offense is when the defense is running two high and you can't run the ball, and the other is when they're in 1 high and you can't win the one on one match ups.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

I think all the stats and who they or Miami played goes out the window. I'm excited about a night game again and crowd going nuts. But there will be some hitting from the canes to let them know you have to earn it.

ND have been beaten teams and looked good. More pressure for ND to win and make a statement to solidify making the playoffs with one loss. This is there only shot.

Miami has scraped and clawed to close wins. If Miami loses, they still have a shot at CPP by making the ACCG and possibly beating Clemson.

Question: ND had 148 total yards rushing last year against Miami. Winbush replaced Kizer, but what about NDs O-line? Is it the same 5? Is it a different O-scheme?

I believe 4/5 are returning and the scheme has changed somewhat. The big difference is that ND has a qb who is more dynamic in the run department along with an offensive line that has been together for a couple of years. Also doesn't hurt to have Adams healthy along with backups that are productive. This offense would be truly scary if they had WR's who could catch.

 

[LoungeLord]

That's a great assessment. Unfortunately all the keys to our success according to this are things we are terrible at. I mean whatever this team is, it ain't disciplined assignment football. Uncharacteristic mistakes is our characteristic. The reason we don't blow anyone out is 100% critical errors. How do we all of a sudden turn that around?

 

[Wickedgenes]

I think all the stats and who they or Miami played goes out the window. I'm excited about a night game again and crowd going nuts. But there will be some hitting from the canes to let them know you have to earn it.

ND have been beaten teams and looked good. More pressure for ND to win and make a statement to solidify making the playoffs with one loss. This is there only shot.

Miami has scraped and clawed to close wins. If Miami loses, they still have a shot at CPP by making the ACCG and possibly beating Clemson.

Question: ND had 148 total yards rushing last year against Miami. Winbush replaced Kizer, but what about NDs O-line? Is it the same 5? Is it a different O-scheme?

I believe 4/5 are returning and the scheme has changed somewhat. The big difference is that ND has a qb who is more dynamic in the run department along with an offensive line that has been together for a couple of years. Also doesn't hurt to have Adams healthy along with backups that are productive. This offense would be truly scary if they had WR's who could catch.

Miami's front 7 is the same as last year so there's familiarity there in the trenches.

Miami also has a mobile and dynamic QB in Malik if you compare him to Kayaa last year.

 

[birdicane9177]

Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

homer should eat in that scenario

 

[ChicagoIrish]

Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

homer should eat in that scenario

Besides last week, no one has had a great success running on ND. That includes Jones from SC, Hines from NCST. The Georgia game, those RB's did OK but didn't dominate like in other games. Miami will win based on their QB play, imo.

 

[IRememberSchnelly]

ND is what...9 games into their season and you've cherrypicked 2 of them to render a definitive opinion. That's a pretty suspect approach, and most likely a whole bunch of confirmation bias in your assessment.

As much as I hate to admit it, the Lamers are a solid, well-coached team that will not be handing out the keys to the candy store. Are they beatable? Sure, they have flaws, and you can make a case that we are faster and more athletic. At the same time, we make more mistakes and bigger mistakes that can lead to big plays. In my opinion the game could go either way - and by that it could go big for either team or also could be a nailbiter to the end. Which Notre Dame team shows up? Which Miami team shows up? I think there are many variables none of us are really accounting for.

YOU ARE A TROLL.

Go suck your momma's ******, little boy.

 

[sabrose]

Can we stop their run and cover their receivers man on man? Can they cover us in 5 wide or will they play a soft zone and allow us underneath stuff? IMO DJ Dallas as an RB catching passes could have a big game.