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Oline still stinks

chrisRMNU said:
And he's a freshman so its a bit expected. I guess you can't get that through your head. SJ was supposed to be an elite center prospect, but somehow can't snap and blocks oxygen on every play.
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SJ still IS an elite center prospect - last I checked he’s playing GUARD by virtue of Cantwell not being as advertised and Kinsler departing.

I am also not dogging on Congdon, but saying he is a giant skinny true freshman tackle prospect being forced to play guard by default as well; And of him and SJ, SJ is marginally better.
 
drewm3i said:
SJ still IS an elite center prospect - last I checked he’s playing GUARD by virtue of Cantwell not being as advertised and Kinsler departing.
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they worry about his snapping ability. I am glad Woodrow played because maybe he can be our Center if we dont hit portal.
 
nycane said:
they worry about his snapping ability. I am glad Woodrow played because maybe he can be our Center if we dont hit portal.
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He’ll figure it out - he’s way twitchier and more powerful than Woodrow (or Rodriguez for that matter).
 
Just pointing out, we need better from those guys at that position in the conference championship or playoffs as level of competition increases.

They are the weak link and are not getting better. Congden still getting beat on TE stunts, jump setting every pass pro. SJ with mental lapses, holds and just playing out of position and just not big / strong enough.

Coaches got ****y and thought they could lean on their Evals. That was the wrong decision with losing 4 starters. A portal guard or two would have made this line so much better.

Pointing this out doesn’t make me a bad fan or complainer. Happy to be 9-1, but we can easily be a one and done team in playoffs, and these two would be a big reason why.
 
canesbrah said:
I would rather a freshman than a midget at guard
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You are way better off with a midget than a freshman at guard - being 6’8” at guard is a HUGE disadvantage for leverage/ pad level. DTs get under Congdon all day, and he’s also not powerful enough to deal with them right now. He’s a good tackle prospect.
 
drewm3i said:
SJ still IS an elite center prospect - last I checked he’s playing GUARD by virtue of Cantwell not being as advertised and Kinsler departing.

I am also not dogging on Congdon, but saying he is a giant skinny true freshman tackle prospect being forced to play guard by default as well; And of him and SJ, SJ is marginally better.
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My guy, I think you have your OL backwards. Cantwell is a OT. Congdon is a OG. And it's hard to be an elite center prospect if you can't snap a football.
 
chrisRMNU said:
My guy, I think you have your OL backwards. Cantwell is a OT. Congdon is a OG. And it's hard to be an elite center prospect if you can't snap a football.
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6’8” 305 is tackle prospect all day - they are both tackle prospects. Congdon is also not very strong.

Snapping is not rocket science lol
 
drewm3i said:
And play who at tackle?
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Cantwell spent all spring at OT and played well. Samson beat him out and they tried to move him to G. That was a blunder IMO. It's not just about putting the best player in a single position, but putting the best 5 on the field together.
 
chrisRMNU said:
You just said SJ has to play guard because Cantwell is not as advertised.
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Yes - if Cantwell could play tackle right now, McCoy/Samson would kick in and Buchanan (if healthy) would lock down the other guard spot. SJ would be a rotational guard/center prospect and Congdon would be a garbage time rotational guy at tackle or guard to get some reps.
 
chrisRMNU said:
Cantwell spent all spring at OT and played well. Samson beat him out and they tried to move him to G. That was a blunder IMO. It's not just about putting the best player in a single position, but putting the best 5 on the field together.
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I know - Cantwell not being ready has hurt the OL and the dominoes have fallen from there. Right now, we have basically no one minus Rodriguez playing their natural position. Despite that, Samson and McCoy have been serviceable at tackle even though it is their first year for both.
 
drewm3i said:
Yes - if Cantwell could play tackle right now, McCoy/Samson would kick in and Buchanan (if healthy) would lock down the other guard spot. SJ would be a rotational guard/center prospect and Congdon would be a garbage time rotational guy at tackle or guard to get some reps.
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But he was. He hasn't had any burn during the season at OT. But he was holding his own in spring. Samson came back and outperformed him so they kicked him to guard. But IMO, they were much better off leaving Cantwell (who they should invest in anyways) at OT and having Samson play G, where he played very well last year.
 
chrisRMNU said:
But he was. He hasn't had any burn during the season at OT. But he was holding his own in spring. Samson came back and outperformed him so they kicked him to guard. But IMO, they were much better off leaving Cantwell (who they should invest in anyways) at OT and having Samson play G, where he played very well last year.
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I don’t disagree.

It would look a lot different with: Samson, Buchanan, Rodriguez, McCoy, Cantwell (if healthy was as good as Francis like we thought/hoped he’d be).
 
CIS_troll_killa said:
You make no sense. You’ve been hating for weeks. Look how much of a moron you are that despite the lack of elite OLine play we are still averaging 35 points per game and 400 yards.
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It’s cute vs acc comp but we just saw our OLine give up 30 pressures to a playoff team w an average DLine at nd…..

We are doing trick plays at the one yard line w Mensah….WHY?

I can tell you it isn’t because Mario and Shannon think we have a good OLine!

I’m hoping like **** Buchanon comes back and has this OLine improved because we will need it to win playoff games!!
 
drewm3i said:
The key metric: years of experience.
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Duke was the most experienced team on our schedule:

2026 SCHEDULE OPPOSITION COMPOSITE (FBS)
  • .8667 - Stanford (1.94 avg CFB overall experience - 2.11 offense, 1.79 defense)
  • .8567 - Wake Forest (1.72 avg CFB overall experience - 1.67 offense, 1.81 defense)
  • .8258 - Central Michigan (1.53 avg CFB overall experience - 1.78 offense, 1.31 defense)
  • .8876 - Clemson (1.81 avg CFB overall experience - 1.53 offense, 2.02 defense)
  • .8842 - Florida State (1.37 avg CFB overall experience - 1.36 offense, 1.41 defense)
  • .8605 - Pittsburgh (1.92 avg CFB experience - 1.81 offense, 2.00 defense)
  • .8668 - North Carolina (1.39 avg CFB experience - 1.48 offense, 1.33 defense)
  • .9148 - Notre Dame (1.62 avg CFB experience - 1.52 offense, 2.00 defense)
  • .8605 - Duke (2.02 avg CFB experience - 2.11 offense, 1.76 defense)
 
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